PID - Motivations for the Murder of Paul McCartney

Originally posted by edmond dantes

Originally posted by Getsmart

As the satanic 'spiritual father' of Tavistock having aided this Institute in furthering its experiments in creating demonic Alters for British Military Intelligence Mind Control operations performed on its secret agents infiltrating Nazi Germany, Crowley was well positioned as a key persona in this community with an oversight role. Call it rubbish as you will deny anything anyone says who doesn't agree with you that your lame Impostor is not the person he impersonates.

Crowley had an obsession with the Mystical powers of the Egyptian Sacred Scarab. The BEETLE was one of the most powerful propagators ... using DUNG just like today's Movie and Music Industries propagate mental oblivion using pseudo-cultural garbage. It is my contention that Crowley laid the groundwork for such a group of
propagators to take on the Occult Role of Sacred BEATLES who were glorified accordingly.

After the assassination of the originals, it was in my own humble artistic estimation, indeed DUNG which was used to propagate the occult Mind Control message to warp people's view of our world and leading to the ultimate goal of Aleister Crowley, the UNLEASHING OF LEGIONS OF DEMONS by opening portals of Hell in HELTER SKELTER, something which the perverse impersonator you so revere - Sir FAUL - promoted by propagating such DUNG in his recording HELTER SKELTER.

Holy cow! Talk about Dung.

Dakudo, he never did answer your question or back it up.

No he hasn't. Because he can't. So he just posts more long-winded, copious nonsense to try and compensate and avoid answering the question.

He says "It is my contention..." and "in my own humble artistic estimation..." It shows that there is no proof or evidence; these are merely his opinions and beliefs.

Indeed. Yet he has the temerity to demand to me: "Verify your statements".

LOL! How many sources have I given him to veryfy that there is no evidence that Hitler visited Liverpool?

Exposing Getsmart's Hypocrisy:

Originally posted by Dakudo
Perhaps the most exhaustively researched book on Hitler's years is Brigitte Hamann's Hitlers Wien: Lehrjahre eines Diktators, published in English as Hitler's Vienna: A Dictator's Apprenticeship by the Oxford University Press. Much of the book is historiographical, as Dr. Hamann debunks many myths concerning Hitler's early life. Her work has received rave reviews (Hans Mommsen said that it made all other studies of Hitler's youth "redundant") and is highly recommended.

In her book, Hamann writes of Hitler's sister-in-law's story about the purported Liverpool visit - November 1912, to April 1913 (certainly not the "better part of a year" as you foolishly claim.

Hamann states that Hitler in fact stayed at a particular men's hostel in Vienna from February 1910 until May 1913. Hamann reached this conclusion by conducting research at several Austrian archives and locating the registration forms that under Habsburg law each city resident had to fill out when changing address or leaving the country (in fact, one of Hitler's registration forms is actually reproduced in the book). In this way, she was able to find precise dates of Hitler's comings and goings before he finally moved to Germany on 25 May 1913.

And...

Originally posted by Dakudo
There is no evidence Hitler ever visited his relatives in Liverpool. Professor Robert Waite refutes her claims that Adolf Hitler had stayed with her as well as most of the rest of her book in the appendix to his book The Psychopathic God: Adolf Hitler. According to David Gardiner, Bridget's daughter-in-law has said Bridget admitted to her that the book was fanciful.

I've given him author's names, names of professors and book references to "verify" my claim. Yet getsmart completely ignores them and demands I "verify" my "statements"!

Hilarious!

And just what are Get Smart's artistic credentials?

He's good at making up ludicrous stories?

Given the orgy of spite and verbal diarrhea from the Paul Is Alive side of the barrier - who by the way were courteously DISINVITED from trashing this thread in its original post - we can all take notice that something strikes a NERVE.


Regarding the fake Paul, noted as Sir Faul McCartney, and impostor who unabashedly replaced the murdered James Paul McCartney, we will better understand how he got away with murder - literally - thanks to the very extensive complicities in our societies higher levels of established ruling families.


To this end first we can examine how he is to be seen in the following video after minute 6:00 once again manifesting the Satanic worship hand sign, with this Luciferian brotherhood better explaining the heinous attacks against this thread at ATS.


I recommend muting this video


If you think this is simply a coincidence, you will find that it is a formal sign of recognition of a SATANIC SECT of the mentally afflicted and emotionally defective ILLUMINATI and their underlings doing their sordid bidding extending even to lowly tasks such as debunking this thread at ATS. This sect was filmed burying one of theirs, the wife of American President Lyndon B, Johnson implicated in JFK's murder. You shall notice how it is visibly a sect of sordid traitors to their human brethren, in which Sir FAUL is a major protagonist peddling the mush to the peasants.


Illuminati Funeral with priests and attendance doing the FAUL hand sign


FAUL is a practicing Satanist sponsored and protected by his SECT We must take seriously the visual evidence presented by the original Beatles prior to their murder on the cover and back of YESTERDAY AND TODAY also known as the Butcher Album.


SIR FAUL STANDS ACCUSED OF THE MURDER OF JAMES PAUL MCCARTNEY AND OF GRAND LARCENY BY THE THEFT OF HIS ESTATE AND LEGACY.


Getsmart

To better understand the SIR FAUL's connections to the Illuminati and the implication of the British Royal family with his acts of murder and replacement, we must delve into who is behind the Music and Media Industry and what their agenda is. It will also be important to know that beyond their use of the CIA and MI5 that they also use more directly certain Zionist organizations which act as enforcement arms.


Photo of Young Crowley removed from Sgt Pepper album: identical to Sir FAUL


This shows the distinct tie-in between the propulsion of an "offshoot" of Crowley, namely the impostor we have come to know as Sir Faul, and the Satanist Sect of Zionist controlled mass entertainment in the battle against our souls.


Regarding the Royal Bloodlines and their brethren Illuminati, they have advanced the goal of building the new Zion in their occult quest to build the new Babylon. So it should come as no surprise that today Hollywood is referred to as the new Babylon especially as the Zionists whom the real John Lennon denounced back in 1966 as running the entertainment industry have just been established as being behind the current Star Whackers murdering any autonomous entertainers who stray from the fold. John was thus killed to silence him, and his doppelganger replacement Fohn Fennon The First conveniently denied that there was any sense to his earlier accusations. A lesson on effective truth suppression by murder and deception.

Tupac Shakur, JDL and 'Hollywood Star Whackers'

(Apr 15, 2011) According to the Jerusalem Post, FBI files show that the terrorist Jewish Defense League (JDL) ran an extortion-via-death threats operation to extort money from various rapper artists, including Tupac Shakur and Eazy-E.

The partially-redacted FBI document states, "The scheme involves [name redacted] and other subjects making telephonic death threats to the rap star," the files state. "Subjects then intercede by contacting the victim and offering protection for a fee. The victim and their family are taken to a 'safe haven,' usually a private estate, and are protected by gun-toting body guards associated with the Jewish Defense League."

Eazy-E, the owner of Ruthless Records of Woodland Hills, California, who was also known as Eric Wright, died from AIDS in 1995 and Shakur was shot to death in 1996 in a gangland-style hit in Las Vegas after having been threatened with the extortion/protection from murder scheme hatched by the JDL.

The FBI document states that the FBI was investigating the "extortionate activities" of a JDL suspect.

Tupac Shakur, JDL and 'Hollywood Star Whackers' by WAYNE MADSEN

However, it is important to not confuse the issues, especially to not confuse the Illuminati Zionists who are in fact kabbalistic Canaanites disguised as Jews but who are actually Satanists - just like Sir FAUL - with the innocent Jewish people or the Jewish faith which in the Torah condemns such practices as human sacrifice or the worship of Evil.


To further explicit this; I refer you to an earlier post on page 61 of this thread detailing it more extensively:

Zionist Conspiracy to Brainwash You with Music and Movies


The above press clipping makes it painfully apparent that John Lennon was dutiful to us in revealing widely what he had discovered, and that it in all likelihood cost him his life.


RIP John Lennon, murdered in 1966


Here we learn from both Sir FAUL and Fohn Lennon that they knew Charles Manson, but can't of course remember anything other than falling out of a car and entering a dark room with people in it, quite the likely experience for anyone who has ever met anyone at a party or in their home. The Sir FAUL and her Majesty's Satanic Service are becoming ever harder to keep secret.


The FEATLES hanging with Charles Manson at minute 11:00


Getsmart

The following video shows Ringo Starr in the movie HELP whose finger happens to wear the ring worn in human sacrifices!


This is especially disturbing given that the Ringo shown in that movie is considerably shorter than the Ringo seen up to that date; maybe a full 6 inches less. What does that tell you?


Ring story at 2:25 and The Beatles at 3:30



The satanist connections with The Beatles have yet to be fully explored, and this despite the leads which Sir Faul has provided in his usual arrogance, feeling safe in the comforting complicity of the other satanists in the music and entertainment industry.


GS

Originally posted by Wally Hope
What's the PIDers response to their nonsense being ripped to shreds?

Just repeat it all again, rinse and repeat...

Boy has this been proven true!

What is the strategy? Don't post for a month, then come back and post the same nonsense that has been debunked before.

Ok. Waiting weeks then posting the same junk won't work.

I am associated with the deaf community, and it is highly offensive for you to claim that people using the "I Love You" sign are satanists and evil.

Originally posted by Getsmart



I Love You? NO. Satanic Hand Sign VOOR at minute 5:45

BS

Here, again, is something for you to read that shows the difference.

www.start-american-sign-language.com...

It should be obvious that the signs are not the same. The thumb position is different. Again, my in-laws were deaf. What those people are doing is giving the I Love You sign. My wife and I still use it, and so do our sons, in order to express our love. To claim that people using that well known standard sign are giving satanic gestures is just plain asinine.

You know, it should be obvious that different cultures may have different meanings for the same hand gesture, and even in the same culture, the meaning may change over time. I know I was told that one common gesture used here, is the same as calling someone an a**-hole in another country. Given that the hand has only five fingers, there are only a small number of hand gestures possible. Only an idiot would claim that the meaning of a hand gesture given in some stupid drawing would apply to every person who ever uses that same gesture at any time and in any culture.

For example, look at the "thumbs up" sign.

"Thumbs up" traditionally translates as the foulest of gesticular insults in some Middle Eastern countries — the most straightforward interpretation is 'Up yours, pal!' The sign has a similarly pejorative meaning in parts of West Africa, South America, Iran, Iraq, and Sardinia, according to Roger E. Axtell's book Gestures: The Do's and Taboos of Body Language Around the World."

In Bangladesh, Iran, and Thailand it is traditionally an obscene gesture, equivalent to the use of the middle finger in the Western world.

In Italy, and Hungary in the right context, it can simply indicate the number one. Generally it is perceived as "OK".

In Russia and Finland the meaning of this expression is "awesome", "good", or "well done".

In the UK, specifically north-west England, a single handed thumbs up sign can be used as a farewell or greetings gesture between young males. In situations where acquaintances may see each other briefly and unexpectedly, but are unable to communicate otherwise (e.g. whilst driving past one another, or through a glass window) the thumbs up signifies a gesture of recognition. It is also often used as a replacement for a more traditional "wave" goodbye when parting from one another. A less common variation is the use of a brief two handed thumbs up gesture made close to the body.

In Australia, a thumbs-up is generally perceived as meaning "terrific". Australian Sign Language assigns this hand shape the meaning "good".

In the United States, American Sign Language users use this hand shape to indicate the number ten (10) when wiggled modestly left and right. When held stationary and thrust toward another person the meaning is "yourself". When lifted up by the other palm, the meaning is "help".

In Japanese sign language, the thumbs-up indicates a man, or male gender as opposed to an extended pinky indicating female.

In India, although the gesture is well accepted, similar gestures have negative connotations:

* While doing a thumbs up, if the hand is wagged from side to side in a reverse-pendulum like movement, it means "won't work" or "disagree".
* Another rude gesture among kids (now less popular), is to show the thumb to a person and say "thengaa," sometimes followed making a face, drawing the tongue out and touching the chin with it. It indicates cocking a snook at someone.
* Showing your thumb to someone and calling him/her "angoothachaap"(thumb-print) implies that you are insulting him/her as an illiterate person.
* Still, the acceptability of the "thumbs up" gesture is seen in the popular soda Thums Up.

In Egypt, Iraq and Israel, it means perfect or very good. It's widely common between people.

You see? A very simple sign can have widely different meanings in different countries and cultures; even different meanings in the same culture. It is stupid, therefore, to claim that a hand gesture has only one meaning and that you know what every person on earth means when giving that gesture. You don't.

This should be shown again.

Originally posted by Dakudo

Originally posted by Getsmart


BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI

Or, in other words, more OFF TOPIC rambling.

The following short segment provides illustrations of Satanic hand signs including the sign of VOOR at minute 5:45 while at minute 7:00 it describes the satanic rituals that countless Hollywood celebrities have admitted to using.


I Love You? NO. Satanic Hand Sign VOOR at minute 5:45

Why do you still persist in this 'Satanic hand sign' drivel? Where is your evidence?

Oh, that's right....... you don't have any.

"Sign of VOOR", huh?

Well, no, actually:

deafcampaign2008.blogspot.com...

But, hey getsmart - don't let the truth get in the way of a 'good story', right?

while at minute 7:00 it describes the satanic rituals that countless Hollywood celebrities have admitted to using.

No it doesn't. The voiceover refers to "demon granted abilities that countless celebrities have admitted to using".

Nothing at all to do with "satanic rituals"!

If you can't get basic facts like that correct, getsmart, then it doesn't say much for your research abilities, does it?

This is most likely the sort of madmen who took out Paul McCartney and replaced him with a practicing satanist from their sick gang.

The only madmen around here are the one's spreading lies and stupid nonsense about hand signs, centuries old dead dudes and Paul McCartney being murdered.

SIR FAUL STANDS ACCUSED OF THE MURDER OF JAMES PAUL MCCARTNEY AND OF GRAND LARCENY BY THE THEFT OF HIS ESTATE AND LEGACY.


Getsmart

edit on 22-4-2011 by Getsmart because: FAUL HAS PAUL'S BLOOD ON HIS HANDS !

That is a serious accusation. Making such libelous on an open forum is actionable.

Originally posted by Getsmart
If you think this is simply a coincidence, you will find that it is a formal sign of recognition of a SATANIC SECT of the mentally afflicted and emotionally defective ILLUMINATI and their underlings doing their sordid bidding extending even to lowly tasks such as debunking this thread at ATS. This sect was filmed burying one of theirs, the wife of American President Lyndon B, Johnson implicated in JFK's murder. You shall notice how it is visibly a sect of sordid traitors to their human brethren, in which Sir FAUL is a major protagonist peddling the mush to the peasants.


Illuminati Funeral with priests and attendance doing the FAUL hand sign

Simply laughable. She was from Texas. The University of Texas band is playing "The Eyes of Texas are Upon You."

"The Eyes of Texas" is the alma mater of the University of Texas at Austin. It is set to the tune of "I've Been Working on the Railroad." Students, faculty, staff, and alumni of the University sing the song at Longhorn sports games and other events.

en.wikipedia.org...

The people there are using the standard hook 'em horns hand gesture used at the University of Texas.

Hook 'em Horns is the slogan and hand signal of The University of Texas at Austin. Students and alumni of the university employ a greeting consisting of the phrase "Hook 'em" or "Hook 'em Horns" and also use the phrase as a parting good-bye or as the closing line in a letter or story.

The gesture is meant to approximate the shape of the head and horns of the UT mascot, the Texas longhorn steer Bevo.

And yes, even non-Texan visitors would know that, or learn it very quickly.

en.wikipedia.org...

So, here you have the funeral of a famous Texas woman, former first-lady, and Texans are saying good-bye to her while the UT band is playing "The Eyes of Texas are Upon You." And, as usual, these Texans are using the "Hook' em Horns" gesture that is commonly used by students and alumni of the university when saying a parting good-bye.

Makes perfect sense to anyone with common sense.

But you, on the other hand ignore all of this and claim that it is an illuminati funeral full of satanists using a FAUL hand gesture. I am really beginning to think that this is all a joke and you are putting people on.

P.S. This is a public forum. Your posts here totally misrepresent the meanings of hand gestures that people use. You turn a very nice gesture commonly used by the deaf community and turn it into something evil. Yes, I will continue to respond to your erroneous posts to set the record straight.

Oh, boy!

Getsmart must have the memory of a goldfish. He disappears for weeks, only to reappear to post the same copious drivel we have already debunked.

He really is flogging a dead horse with his nonsense now. Even Some Other Guy and Switching Yard have abandoned him.

Still, I suppose he has nothing better to do than make up stories....

Sad but true.

Originally posted by Getsmart

Dantes, Edmund you're obviously dedicated to your Master and thus chose your pen name accordingly.

You probably wish you were from Hell and I don't even need to send you there, as you are heading there of your own accord:

It is unfortunate that you keep to your low standards.

Again, you are in error. It is Edmond, not Edmund.

Edmond Dantes is the protagonist in the novel, "The Count of Monte Cristo" which is an adventure novel by Alexandre Dumas. That is where the name is from.


Not even God judges a person until death. Why do you take it upon yourself to do what even God does not do.

You declare people to be murderers.

You delclare that I am going to hell.

Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged!

Jesus declared that the person judging will be judged because judging assumes a divine prerogative; final judgment belongs to God alone, and those who seek to judge others now will answer then for usurping God's position.

Originally posted by Getsmart

Little wonder you call the Satan sign one which means I LOVE YOU given that you happen to love him. Here's a little smidgeon of what that subservient scum loving demon worship is all about, explaining the pungent scourge of satanist apologists trolling this thread:

I see you are keeping to your habit of waiting weeks between posts and then posting the same incorrect information.

We have tried to give you the correct information, and we will continue to do so. Please see below:

www.signingsavvy.com...

www.start-american-sign-language.com...

www.wikihow.com...

Here is a place you can buy books about it:

www.christianbook.com... 18818&cm_mmc=Google-_-Homeschool-_-languages-_-sign%20language%20dictionary&gclid=COTpv_rmmakCFZBS2godGx4_Jw

Both of my in-laws were deaf which brought me in contact with the deaf community. They are good people, but the deafness is something they struggle with.

It disgusts me how, time and time again, you soil these people by claiming one of their most beautiful signs to be satanist. You show good hearing impaired people expressing their love to others, or others expressing love to them, and claim they are scum loving demon worshipers.

It makes me weep that you are so filled with hatred and anger.

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I'm sorry, the first thing that sprang to mind when I saw the title, was Pelvic Inflammatory Disease..

Originally posted by Getsmart

LOL!

Guess I missed Getsmart's latest rambling, deluded, ridiculous drivel.

His nurse must have let him out for an hour to use the computer.

Originally posted by Vicky32
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I'm sorry, the first thing that sprang to mind when I saw the title, was Pelvic Inflammatory Disease..

Paul was 'murdered' because he had Pelvic Inflammatory Disease?

Hmmm, that's not a wacky enough theory for our resident 'detective', Getsmart.

Now, if you had included something about Satan, or some centuries old dead dude, or reptilian lizards from the planet Zog, or preferably all of them, then I'm sure Getsmart would have run with it.

Originally posted by edmond dantes

Little wonder you call the Satan sign one which means I LOVE YOU given that you happen to love him. Here's a little smidgeon of what that subservient scum loving demon worship is all about,

Your abject refusal to accept reality about the 'I Love You' hand sign - prefering instead to cling on to your warped delusions - is quite astonishing.

Let's debunk your nonsense - yet again:









How much longer are you going to keep embarassing yourself by peddling this Satanic hand sign crap?

explaining the pungent scourge of satanist apologists trolling this thread:

A quote from a clearly disturbed mind....

No wonder your moronic post was censored by the Mods.

Folks who have had the endurance to read through the organized attacks mounted by a gang of hecklers, yes right here in this thread purposely designed to offer an unpolluted place where aggressive hate wouldn't be lashed out by militant debunkers, well you are the ones who have probably noticed that it isn't simply a group of people who happen to share an opinion but a more grotesque movement to manipulate public opinion.

Here is a revelation which might have its pertinence when it comes to propagandist organizations seeking to hammer into your minds that Paul is Alive. It has been explained extensively in previous pages that Sir Faul has since Paul's death served an Agenda. What is interesting if you consult the patterns of behavior and the tight knit grouped attacks by a small packet of hardened debunkers, that they might not even be several different people as such groups have at their disposal dedicated software which enables a single Agent to replicate into several identities.

REVEALED: AIR FORCE ORDERED SOFTWARE TO MANAGE ARMY OF FAKE VIRTUAL PEOPLE Stephen C. Webster Friday, February 18th, 2011 -- 3:07 pm These days, with Facebook and Twitter and social media galore, it can be increasingly hard to tell who your "friends" are. But after this, Internet users would be well advised to ask another question entirely: Are my "friends" even real people? In the continuing saga of data security firm HBGary, a new caveat has come to light: not only did they plot to help destroy secrets outlet WikiLeaks and discredit progressive bloggers, they also crafted detailed proposals for software that manages online "personas," allowing a single human to assume the identities of as many fake people as they'd like.

The revelation was among those contained in the company's emails, which were dumped onto bittorrent networks after hackers with cyber protest group "Anonymous" broke into their systems... "There are a variety of social media tricks we can use to add a level of realness to all fictitious personas," it said. Government involvement Eerie as that may be, more perplexing, however, is a federal contract from the 6th Contracting Squadron at MacDill Air Force Base, located south of Tampa, Florida, that solicits providers of "persona management software." While there are certainly legitimate applications for such software, such as managing multiple "official" social media accounts from a single input, the more nefarious potential is clear. Unfortunately, the Air Force's contract description doesn't help dispel suspicions. As the text explains, the software would require licenses for 50 users with 10 personas each, for a total of 500.

These personas would have to be "replete with background , history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographacilly consistent." It continues, noting the need for secure virtual private networks that randomize the operator's Internet protocol (IP) address, making it impossible to detect that it's a single person orchestrating all these posts. Another entry calls for static IP address management for each persona, making it appear as though each fake person was consistently accessing from the same computer each time... Manufacturing consent Though many questions remain about how the military would apply such technology, the reasonable fear should be perfectly clear.

"Persona management software" can be used to manipulate public opinion on key information, such as news reports. An unlimited number of virtual "people" could be marshaled by only a few real individuals, empowering them to create the illusion of consensus. You could call it a virtual flash mob, or a digital "Brooks Brothers Riot," so to speak: compelling, but not nearly as spontaneous as it appears. That's precisely what got DailyKos blogger Happy Rockefeller in a snit: the potential for military-run armies of fake people manipulating and, in some cases, even manufacturing the appearance of public opinion... "That's me. I believe there are many people though who will base their judgment on rumors and mob attacks. And for those people, a fake mob can be really effective." ... Other e-mails circulated by HBGary's CEO illuminate highly personal data about critics of the US Chamber of Commerce, including detailed information about their spouses and children, as well as their locations and professional links.

The firm, it was revealed, was just one part of a group called "Team Themis,"tasked by the Chamber to come up with strategies for responding to progressive bloggers and others. "Team Themis" also included a proposal to use malware hacks against progressive organizations, and the submission of fake documents in an effort to discredit established groups. HBGary was also behind a plot by Bank of America to destroy WikiLeaks' technology platform, other emails revealed. The company was humiliated by members of "Anonymous" after CEO Aaron Barr bragged that he'd "infiltrated" the group...

SOURCE:Revealed: Air Force Ordered Software to Manage Army of Fake Virtual People

Getsmart

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I never got this far in my thinking, but I did always suspect that some posters on the PIA side and PID side knew each other personally.

There was something akin to sibling rivalry in some of the posts and I found it hard to believe that some of the more personal attacks were made by people who didn't know each other.

I know their little war has been fought on more than one website and they seem to have been at it for a long time, but still I felt there was more to it than just a bunch of people who were feuding on the internet.

If they're not all just a bunch of squabbling kids it's interesting to think that they might ALL be one person

Originally posted by Getsmart
Folks who have had the endurance to read through the organized attacks mounted by a gang of hecklers, yes right here in this thread purposely designed to offer an unpolluted place where aggressive hate wouldn't be lashed out by militant debunkers, well you are the ones who have probably noticed that it isn't simply a group of people who happen to share an opinion but a more grotesque movement to manipulate public opinion.

Gee, you waited a long time this time to come back.

Let's see. The last time you were here, your post was removed due to a Severe T&C Violation because of your hate-filled attacks.

Sorry to bust your hate-filled bubble, but we are merely people who share an opinion about PID. For example, dakudo and I live on different continents. I have no idea who he is or what his other beliefs are. I don't even know his name. What we do share is a passion for the truth, and when we see the demonstrably false things you post here, we make posts giving the other point-of-view. It's called freedom of speech. You get to post your ideas, and we get to post ours. The people reading the thread can decide for themselves whom to believe.

Many of us at MFH were members of the PID forum, TKIN (60IF) back from 2003. We were open to the theories back then, but the theories got outlandish, and when we questioned them, we were accused of all sorts of things, like being secret agents of Faul, and other ridiculous drivel. Of course the truth is much more mundane. We are actually musicians, retail clerks, staff accountants, helicopter pilots, students and so forth. We have members from all over the world. We are Beatle fans who are outraged at the lies put forth by the PIDDERs about people we like and respect. Simple. We are not militants (LOL!). We don't call people satanists, murderers, aliens, paid agents and so forth as some do here. We merely post our side of the argument.

Be at peace, my friend.