PID - Motivations for the Murder of Paul McCartney

Originally posted by Wally Hope
reply to post by switching yard

 

LOL, it says right there in that article he was depressed, his career failed after leaving Apple. He had no real talents in music, he was a bouncer at the Cavern who got lucky (he was an electrical engineer by day) and failed at his attempt to be a producer. He became a 'has been' struggling to build a life after the Beatles.

What else do you need to explain his behavior?

John Hoernie was the collaborator on the book btw.

edit on 9-1-2011 by Wally Hope because: (no reason given)

Agreed. He had been associated with the biggest band in the world and now that was gone. Apple was a mess. He had failed as a producer. He was drinking and on Valium. His life was in a major downward spiral. Nothing hard to understand here.

Originally posted by Getsmart
APOLOGIES TO ATS MEMBERS FOR ANY DIFFICULTIES ENCOUNTERED IN READING THIS THREAD ~ IT IS FOR TECHNICAL REASONS BEYOND THE OP'S CONTROL.

LOL that's funny.

Do you really think anyone is reading your thread other than those of us participating?

This thread has to be the biggest joke on ATS.

The world is falling apart and these guys are living in Pepperland. We're the Blue Meanies and we're gonna get ya!

Originally posted by Wally Hope

Originally posted by Getsmart
APOLOGIES TO ATS MEMBERS FOR ANY DIFFICULTIES ENCOUNTERED IN READING THIS THREAD ~ IT IS FOR TECHNICAL REASONS BEYOND THE OP'S CONTROL.

LOL that's funny.

Do you really think anyone is reading your thread other than those of us participating?

Exactly. We're the only one's humouring the PIDers by actually viewing this thread.





Paul is Alive.

There is no Faul.

Sure, this topic is 'way out' dude, but beyond your already registered disappointment regarding the slight on Sir's name, what harm is this doing and why are you so adamantly ignoring the exhortation of the OP.

You have registered your dissent. By all means start a thread that says that JPM is still alive. That is not what this thread is about.

On the flip side, it's great that you're still posting and getting this thread noticed and even if it is preposterous and far out and in your eyes (and undoubtedly the eyes of many others) a blatant and straight out lie, there are people who think that this theory has legs.

If you could bring it upon yourselves to give this thread the space to breathe you might actually be surprised with some of the findings, but you are too busy debunking to see the wood for the trees.

Regarding the hand symbology. Sure, the prescribed view in mainstream society is that of "O.K" and "Love" and even the "Hook 'em Horns" but the majority of mainstream society is remarkably unaware of the role of transcendental and Western Magick in our Culture, a la Crowley, Waite, Levi et al apart from the obviously appropriated Western Religious Paradigms that have sprung up in the last few millenia.
There are many layers to an onion. not all of them are glass.

TL/DR?
You have made yourselves as clear as a Pug's arse what you think about this topic.
Things aren't always as they seem.

Do I believe it?
Not outright, no, but it has led me down some interesting and curious paths regarding the role of Popular Culture in fomenting Public Opinion, as well as the amount of control there is overarching our (shared) culture.

I can't stop you posting and frankly I don't want to as you keep this topic reappearing due to your postings, so nga hoa, thanks for that.

Originally posted by switching yard

On the butcher cover, John has on a white turtleneck and the others have on black. On the Sgt Pepper cover, we see the sad original Beatles depicted with Ringo having a black turtleneck and the others do not. Of course, we all know that in Magical Mystery Tour, the person playing Paul has on a black carnation whereas the others do not. In LET IT BE, the person playing John in the rooftop concert has an Epiphone Casino guitar with one black knob and the three other knobs are gold. On the Abbey Road cover, "John" is in a white suit and the others are in dark clothing.

I believe this anomaly pattern of 1 different than the other 3 is some kind of clue that needs further investigation.

In the not too distant future, all of the suspected visual and auditory clues could be fed into an AI driven supercomputer for cryptology analysis and I'll bet the code can and will be cracked. We all know there are blatant clues that mean something, but we're not sure exactly how to best interpret them. "John" even told us in song verse "here's another clue" making it impossible to shrug off the clues as being just random coincidences.

Hi Switching Yard,

Thanks for bringing these example up in such a concise way, they've been discussed before elsewhere but usually on a single instance basis and not on the whole seeking patterns for interpretation.

While black and white are the Illuminati chessboard symbolic colors also found in masonic rituals, what I find more useful to retain here is the "marking" of an individual in a group who is 'tagged' in public view. Why would he be so tagged? Could it be a form of messaging or simply a sharing in communion of a forthcoming ritual sacrifice victim? One can even wonder if over time the band the Beatles didn't serve as a ceremonial focus within which the members, whether original or their successive replacement, were selectively "plucked" for sacrifice in satanic rituals? I know that this hypothesis is a longshot, but we owe it to them to not leave any stones unturned, however improbable, if by validation or by elimination it can help lead to solving their murder.

Originally posted by switching yard

My hunch is that the original Beatles were hijacked, killed and all four of them replaced. That's why we have two distinct periods of songs, the early period and the psychedelic period. If my hunch is true that they were all replaced, the new ones would have been in rehearsal and training for at least a year leading up to Candlestick where the new band took the stage and impersonated the originals. The band of impostors that played Candlestick then went on to be the psychedelic period group. The originals were probably dead or being held captive during Candlestick and never seen alive again.

When you think about it, even the symbolism of the takeover happening in candle stick park sounds witchy or occult like that place was chosen because of the name of it.

Good detectives always follow up on their hunches. Having a hunch doesn't mean the hunch is accurate, but that following that hunch will eventually lead to the truth, whether directly or by meandering deductions until you reach that element which makes sense of everything, with evidence to be found or at least justice to be meted out.

I tend to agree with you, but further research and investigation needs to be undertaken along the lines of this premise. It isn't going to be easy to do, with the perpetrators having destroyed much of the evidence and witnesses and with the gloating of a chorus of clucking toads which remind me of those who make the lip--smacking sounds during the ritual sacrifices at Bohemian Grove.

Thanks for sharing your insight.

Getsmart

Originally posted by aorAki
Sure, this topic is 'way out' dude, but beyond your already registered disappointment regarding the slight on Sir's name, what harm is this doing.

Why are you asking this question when it has already been pointed out to you numerous times?

You have registered your dissent. By all means start a thread that says that JPM is still alive.

Please do your research:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

That is not what this thread is about.

How many times has Getsmart rambled on about that centuries old dead dude who has no relevancy to Paul McCartney whatsoever? What direct relation to Paul McCartney has the following image posted by getsmart?



Or this?



Or this?



Anything to do with Paul McCartney?

No.

Yet you never chimed up when these were posted, did you?

Seems you want one rule for the PIDers and one for the PIAers. We stay on the subject of Paul McCartney far more than getsmart and switching yard's rambles do. So save your admonishments for those who deserve it, eh?

On the flip side, it's great that you're still posting and getting this thread noticed

By whom? No one's posting here apart from about 6 people.

If you could bring it upon yourselves to give this thread the space to breathe you might actually be surprised with some of the findings

Give me one "finding" from this thread that gives credible evidence that Paul McCartney was murdered.

You won't, though. You'll conveniently ignore this request because you know very well there hasn't been any "finding" at all.

So what makes you think there will be one in the future?

Stop talking nonsense.

but you are too busy debunking to see the wood for the trees.

There is no wood. Paul is alive in a great big forest.

Regarding the hand symbology. Sure, the prescribed view in mainstream society is that of "O.K" and "Love" and even the "Hook 'em Horns" but the majority of mainstream society is remarkably unaware of the role of transcendental and Western Magick in our Culture, a la Crowley, Waite, Levi et al.

Incorrect. The "culture" of Crowley, Waite et al was not "our" culture. It was not mainstream. It was a "culture" which only they belonged to - a sub culture.

And what has the public awareness of this sub culture got to do with hand symbology, anyway? The fact is, the hand symbols which getsmart preposterously alleged were 'satanic' hand signs have very common 'mainstream' meanings of 'OK' and 'I Love You'. This is a fact.

Did he give any evidence whatsoever to support his contention that these hand signs were deliberately given to show allegence to Satan?

No.

This is why his allegation should be treated with the derision and disdain it deserves. If you are going to allege something you should have some evidence to support it. If you don't have any evidence, then why do you believe it in the first place?

This kind of reasoning just demonstrates a very naive, undisciplined mind that ignores logic and rationality in favour of propogating palpable nonsense from it's unchecked and paranoid imagination.

But go ahead - you just keep lapping it all up.

Things aren't always as they seem.

But many times they are.

BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI



For those here in a genuine quest for the TRUTH about the Assassination and Replacement of James Paul McCartney, here is some additional background information about the Illuminati which should help provide sufficient basis for a number of the assumptions made in this thread.


It may Look good but tastes like Moose $hit



In this second video at minute 7:30 we learn that the FBI has evidence of an estimated 4 million practicing satanists in the United States alone.


Satanic Ritual Sacrifice is used to provide them with Occult Powers



And for those who still don't believe any of this exists, here is an Illuminati Propaganda spot which is designed to attract you to this ever so cool a religion which preaches that Good and Evil don't exist except as experience to be embraced. LOL


They really want to sell you on Satanism, calling it LIGHT



The following short segment provides illustrations of Satanic hand signs including the sign of VOOR at minute 5:45 while at minute 7:00 it describes the satanic rituals that countless Hollywood celebrities have admitted to using.


I Love You? NO. Satanic Hand Sign VOOR at minute 5:45



This is most likely the sort of madmen who took out Paul McCartney and replaced him with a practicing satanist from their sick gang.


GS

reply to post by Getsmart


Wow what was this thread about again?

None of that has anything to do with Macca, other than your wild imagination that somehow connected one internet hoax with another.

Amazing!

Originally posted by Getsmart


BACKGROUND INFORMATION ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI

Or, in other words, more OFF TOPIC rambling.

The following short segment provides illustrations of Satanic hand signs including the sign of VOOR at minute 5:45 while at minute 7:00 it describes the satanic rituals that countless Hollywood celebrities have admitted to using.


I Love You? NO. Satanic Hand Sign VOOR at minute 5:45

Why do you still persist in this 'Satanic hand sign' drivel? Where is your evidence?

Oh, that's right....... you don't have any.



"Sign of VOOR", huh?

Well, no, actually:



deafcampaign2008.blogspot.com...




But, hey getsmart - don't let the truth get in the way of a 'good story', right?

while at minute 7:00 it describes the satanic rituals that countless Hollywood celebrities have admitted to using.

No it doesn't. The voiceover refers to "demon granted abilities that countless celebrities have admitted to using".

Nothing at all to do with "satanic rituals"!

If you can't get basic facts like that correct, getsmart, then it doesn't say much for your research abilities, does it?

This is most likely the sort of madmen who took out Paul McCartney and replaced him with a practicing satanist from their sick gang.

The only madmen around here are the one's spreading lies and stupid nonsense about hand signs, centuries old dead dudes and Paul McCartney being murdered.

Originally posted by Wally Hope
reply to post by Getsmart

 

Wow what was this thread about again?

How to tie in every unrelated conspiracy theory to Paul McCartney?

Originally posted by Getsmart



I Love You? NO. Satanic Hand Sign VOOR at minute 5:45

BS

Here, again, is something for you to read that shows the difference.

www.start-american-sign-language.com...

It should be obvious that the signs are not the same. The thumb position is different. Again, my in-laws were deaf. What those people are doing is giving the I Love You sign. My wife and I still use it, and so do our sons, in order to express our love. To claim that people using that well known standard sign are giving satanic gestures is just plain asinine.

You know, it should be obvious that different cultures may have different meanings for the same hand gesture, and even in the same culture, the meaning may change over time. I know I was told that one common gesture used here, is the same as calling someone an a**-hole in another country. Given that the hand has only five fingers, there are only a small number of hand gestures possible. Only an idiot would claim that the meaning of a hand gesture given in some stupid drawing would apply to every person who ever uses that same gesture at any time and in any culture.

For example, look at the "thumbs up" sign.

"Thumbs up" traditionally translates as the foulest of gesticular insults in some Middle Eastern countries — the most straightforward interpretation is 'Up yours, pal!' The sign has a similarly pejorative meaning in parts of West Africa, South America, Iran, Iraq, and Sardinia, according to Roger E. Axtell's book Gestures: The Do's and Taboos of Body Language Around the World."

In Bangladesh, Iran, and Thailand it is traditionally an obscene gesture, equivalent to the use of the middle finger in the Western world.

In Italy, and Hungary in the right context, it can simply indicate the number one. Generally it is perceived as "OK".

In Russia and Finland the meaning of this expression is "awesome", "good", or "well done".

In the UK, specifically north-west England, a single handed thumbs up sign can be used as a farewell or greetings gesture between young males. In situations where acquaintances may see each other briefly and unexpectedly, but are unable to communicate otherwise (e.g. whilst driving past one another, or through a glass window) the thumbs up signifies a gesture of recognition. It is also often used as a replacement for a more traditional "wave" goodbye when parting from one another. A less common variation is the use of a brief two handed thumbs up gesture made close to the body.

In Australia, a thumbs-up is generally perceived as meaning "terrific". Australian Sign Language assigns this hand shape the meaning "good".

In the United States, American Sign Language users use this hand shape to indicate the number ten (10) when wiggled modestly left and right. When held stationary and thrust toward another person the meaning is "yourself". When lifted up by the other palm, the meaning is "help".

In Japanese sign language, the thumbs-up indicates a man, or male gender as opposed to an extended pinky indicating female.

In India, although the gesture is well accepted, similar gestures have negative connotations:

* While doing a thumbs up, if the hand is wagged from side to side in a reverse-pendulum like movement, it means "won't work" or "disagree".
* Another rude gesture among kids (now less popular), is to show the thumb to a person and say "thengaa," sometimes followed making a face, drawing the tongue out and touching the chin with it. It indicates cocking a snook at someone.
* Showing your thumb to someone and calling him/her "angoothachaap"(thumb-print) implies that you are insulting him/her as an illiterate person.
* Still, the acceptability of the "thumbs up" gesture is seen in the popular soda Thums Up.

In Egypt, Iraq and Israel, it means perfect or very good. It's widely common between people.

You see? A very simple sign can have widely different meanings in different countries and cultures; even different meanings in the same culture. It is stupid, therefore, to claim that a hand gesture has only one meaning and that you know what every person on earth means when giving that gesture. You don't.

TO ATS MEMBERS WHO SEEK JUSTICE FOR PAUL:

I ACCUSE THE ILLUMINATI OF HIS MURDER

Hence any information about the Illuminati is ON TOPIC in a Murder Investigation thread:

THE ILLUMINATI ARE THE PRIME SUSPECT !

Some stubbornly deny he was murdered. Some remain conveniently blind to his replacement. Some don't have the faintest about who is who or who did what. But James Paul McCartney was ASSASSINATED by the Illuminati and replaced by a Satanic Impostor Knighted by the Bloodline Queen Sir Faul The Devil Worshiper.

PID - RIP

GS

reply to post by Getsmart


You can't even prove the Illuminati exists, at least as a modern operating institution, let alone any connection to Macca and the Beatles. Macca is alive.

See your large coloured text didn't change my opinion, but good try I guess...

Originally posted by Wally Hope
reply to post by Getsmart

 

You can't even prove the Illuminati exists, at least as a modern operating institution, let alone any connection to Macca and the Beatles. Macca is alive.

See your large coloured text didn't change my opinion, but good try I guess...

edit on 15-1-2011 by Wally Hope because: typo

Sure he proved it. He has shown people using the ASL "I Love You" sign. And if you say "I Love You" using that sign, you are Illuminati. And that's his proof. Simple.

Originally posted by edmond dantes
Sure he proved it. He has shown people using the ASL "I Love You" sign. And if you say "I Love You" using that sign, you are Illuminati. And that's his proof. Simple.

I see, well we'll just have to work harder. Our handler is getting upset that this is getting out of hand, and these PIDers are far too convincing for us to keep this story under wraps much longer.

We have been instructed to switch to plan B.

Originally posted by ANOK

I see, well we'll just have to work harder. Our handler is getting upset that this is getting out of hand, and these PIDers are far too convincing for us to keep this story under wraps much longer.

We have been instructed to switch to plan B.

Hi ANOK and welcome to the Paul McCartney Murder Investigation.


Also thanks for putting things into perspective.


A Conspiracy Forum with a gang yelping:


"NO CONSPIRACY HERE - MOVE ON."


Stuck in Plan A = lost brains?


Cheers,


Getsmart

I viewed the DVD of the PBS show LENNON NYC.

May Pang is right. It's a load of propaganda mainly from control freak Yoko's perspective. I'm guessing she had final approval over every visual and every word of narration. Some of the friends of "Lennon" seem like, in interviews, CIA undercover agents trying their best to make the story sound plausible, to reinforce the "legend" (a word that has special meaning in the intelligence commuity).

The official stories of every "Beatle," from 1967 to now, present more questions than answers. Some parts of the story lines seem to be illogical and not easily explained except that we're always conditioned to think, "Oh well, they were and are artists and artists lead strange lives." That's what we're supposed to think.

The guy in the documentary film LENNON NYC has a voice that sounds like the original, but physically, he doesn't look like original John. Maybe it's possible, with many hours of practice, to imitate someone else's voice.

Also, I think the original was a bit more macho, had a fuller face, not so beaky and caved in on the sides nose, and had a somewhat more stocky build. As we've noted before, the original was into anglo or French blondes, not Asian women. The whole thing about the so-called "house husband" period is weird, too. Like, he just wanted to bake bread and watch TV while Yoko's job was handling all the finances and making all the big decisions. I just don't buy it. Something smells fishy about the "true" stories in LENNON NYC. May Pang has already spoken out that the show is full of disinformation.

The filmmakers have the big graphic at the end: "John Lennon 1940 -- 1980" as if to burn that into your brain. If Lennon was replaced at the end of 1966, as I suspect, then that graphic is a lie. But you see, they want everyone to believe the official story. Sometime in the future when Sir passes away, there will be no end to the TV documentaries emphasizing that "Paul" lived a long, successful life touring right until the end, etc.

Something is rotten about all the official stories regarding The Beatles. So much of it seems like cover stories to mask what really happened.

Originally posted by switching yard
Also, I think the original was a bit more macho, had a fuller face, not so beaky and caved in on the sides nose, and had a somewhat more stocky build.

That's just from years of drug abuse.

Heroin addiction does awful things to the body.

Originally posted by ANOK
I see, well we'll just have to work harder. Our handler is getting upset that this is getting out of hand, and these PIDers are far too convincing for us to keep this story under wraps much longer.

We have been instructed to switch to plan B.

Plan B? What about Plan Z? It's evil. It's diabolical. It's lemon-scented. This Plan Z can't possibly fail!

The PIDDERS may need new names for their plans. They are running past the 26 letters.

"Too convincing to keep this story under wraps?" LOL! I have been seeing this on the net since 2003, and for a while there were multiple forums humming with PID stuff. The interest in it has shrunk to nearly nothing. Even the most hard-core pidders are rarely posting any more. The theories have become so outlandish that the old theory of Paul dying from explosive diarrhea and being launched into space by NASA seem sane by comparison.