PID - Motivations for the Murder of Paul McCartney

Originally posted by The Gorn
I've seen many pidders reference the '64-'66 period photos as "The Real Paul". The fact is that this period of time represents the boys being the least like their real selves. Every aspect of their image was controlled by B.E.

This concept, along with any others that support PIA will be ignored, not debunked by pidders.

Exactly, their whole public image from how they dressed to how they were perceived to act was controlled by Epstein and the rest of their management crew. Their whole public image was created by Epstein.

After Brian died they were lost. That was when the Beatles suddenly had control over themselves, it worked during Pepper because the other three let Paul run with his ideas. When Paul tried to continue running the show after Pepper the other three resented it. But by this time they were tired of being Beatles and didn't have the motivation to really stop Paul taking control in the studio, they did stop him getting his father-in-law as manager as that would have really given Paul the upper hand.

There had always been a power struggle between John and Paul, friendly competition that become far more serious when huge amounts of cash became involved. Paul though was more aggressive, John more laid back and passive once drugs became a big deal. Paul didn't get into hard drugs like John.

If these PIDers really new and understood the Beatles in their later years they would know an impostor could not have done what Paul did.

Originally posted by aorAki

15f.) Relevant Content: You will not Post messages that are clearly outside of the stated topic of any forums

The forum we are posting in is entitled 'People Forum':

If you are into celebrities this is the place for you. The People Forum is the place on the Above Network for news and discussion regarding the famous and infamous.

Before starting a new thread on the People Forum please keep these things in mind:

1. The People Forum’s description on the board home page reads like this, “Discussion Topics About Individuals Both Famous and Infamous.”
In other words this forum is for the discussion of celebrities. Any celebrity news, gossip, rumors or chit-chat belongs here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Our posts are about the celebrity Paul McCartney. They are therefore well within the scope of this forum.

Hope this has clarified it for you.

Originally posted by Getsmart
Also, the absence of Moderator discipline when there is a total disregard for the thread topic is alarming in a highly visible and reputed discussion forum such as Above Top Secret.

And yet.....

Originally posted by Getsmart

Originally posted by someotherguy
Very interesting theory, GS. As you know, I think the Beatles were of the Light. I believe that being such, they were incorruptible & uncontrollable. IMO, not only did they refuse to willingly serve the Agenda, they outright opposed it.

I see the resemblance being more between Faul & Justinius than Paul & Justinius.

Hi Someotherguy,


It is accurate that there is greater resemblance between Faul and Justinius than with Paul. Actually, Faul looks a lot more like Justinius than he looks like the original Paul. Maybe it's the bloodthirsty attitude, at the antipodes of Paul's temperament? In any case there's Evil manifest in Faul and in Justinius, noted in their behavior and track record. None is to be found in Paul. This is exactly why we are dedicated to avenging his death.

Originally posted by Getsmart

Ringo changed substantially, and while I've heard of people undergoing belated post-adolescent growth, I didn't know they could shrink! Look at Ringo's height in these few pictures and then compare them to the last one.

If you think it is only because he's wearing compensating heels, here's one where you see that both Ringo and Paul are wearing the same heel height and seem almost at even level.

And this is the one where it hurts, not only because Ringo has become the incredible shrinking man, but also because it was before Paul was replaced, during the filming of Help:

The use of doubles therefore predated the end of The Beatles and the beginning of the Beatles. Something fishy was up, we can agree that most rock bands would not have just surreptitiously replaced band members with look-alikes, they would have had no problem asking another musician to stand in for the missing one, bringing their own identity with them. The Beatles were definitely NOT a normal rock band even in the early days.

Well - since you think it's perfectly ok to have "disregard for the thread topic" by posting completely irrelevant pontifications as to whether 'Faul' looks more like some centuries old dead dude called Justinius than Paul, or whether Ringo wore compensating heels or not (to give just two examples of your frequently off topic meanderings) - the mods can easily see that we always stay closer to the subject of Paul McCartney than you do.

They can also see the steaming hypocrisy and blatent attempt to control and censor what other members post.

Originally posted by Getsmart
I hope this is strictly due to negligence rather than dereliction of duty.

Oh dear. Insulting the mods now, eh? Bad form, Sir - very bad form.

Since you seem to be such a stickler for rules and regulations, can I point out the following rule for your perusal:

16) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive..... manner ... nor attack anyone.

and what is this thread doing in bts? why is the op insulted?
this should be cleared out with facts, and though about so we can find an answer, instead of trolling and humilating the op.
what is wrong with you people

Originally posted by giuve424
and what is this thread doing in bts? why is the op insulted?
this should be cleared out with facts, and though about so we can find an answer, instead of trolling and humilating the op.
what is wrong with you people

And what on earth has this got to do with Paul McCartney?

Originally posted by Wally Hope

Originally posted by The Gorn
I've seen many pidders reference the '64-'66 period photos as "The Real Paul". The fact is that this period of time represents the boys being the least like their real selves. Every aspect of their image was controlled by B.E.

This concept, along with any others that support PIA will be ignored, not debunked by pidders.

Exactly, their whole public image from how they dressed to how they were perceived to act was controlled by Epstein and the rest of their management crew. Their whole public image was created by Epstein.

After Brian died they were lost. That was when the Beatles suddenly had control over themselves, it worked during Pepper because the other three let Paul run with his ideas. When Paul tried to continue running the show after Pepper the other three resented it. But by this time they were tired of being Beatles and didn't have the motivation to really stop Paul taking control in the studio, they did stop him getting his father-in-law as manager as that would have really given Paul the upper hand.

There had always been a power struggle between John and Paul, friendly competition that become far more serious when huge amounts of cash became involved. Paul though was more aggressive, John more laid back and passive once drugs became a big deal. Paul didn't get into hard drugs like John.

If these PIDers really new and understood the Beatles in their later years they would know an impostor could not have done what Paul did.

Excellent point.

Pre 1967, The Beatles' image was very controlled and packaged. It was not who they really were. They tired of it, and they purposely tried to make themselves look and sound different. In truth, the pre '67 Paul was the "False Paul" and the post '66 Paul is the real one.

Originally posted by Dakudo

Originally posted by Getsmart

..... you apparently are making the point that FAUL is actually a very good double, using falsified pictures for this purpose.

LOL!

So amusing to see the PIDers are still using transparent lies to hide the truth that Paul was never replaced.

Really, who do you think you are kidding with your doctored photo bull crap?

Readers - Please note:

Posters who make false claims cannot be trusted.

Mr. Dakudo:

Has it ever been shown that the PIA photos are doctored? No.

It should be pointed out that there has been substantial proof that the PID people stretch and otherwise manipulate photos to make Paul look different.

maccafunhouse.proboards.com...

And since the op has made the accusations of falsifying photos on this thread, that makes this post on topic.

New film about the hoax:

Originally posted by giuve424
and what is this thread doing in bts? why is the op insulted?
this should be cleared out with facts, and though about so we can find an answer, instead of trolling and humilating the op.
what is wrong with you people

Hi Giuve424,


Thanks for joining our thread and voicing your concerns. However, if you are new to this subject what you are noticing sort of 'comes with the territory' when discussing anything having to do with Paul McCartney.


I really don't care if I am insulted, but do mind that a gang of organized thread trashers destroy the focus of our research and make it almost unreadable with flashing avatars and animated pictures, constant drivel and off topic affirmations, and a general ILL WILL towards those engaging in constructive discussion of the issues the thread was designed for.


The Gorn, Dakudo, Edmond Dantes and Wally Hope are part of a trolling gang who go from discussion board to discussion board with the purpose of attacking anyone who dares think for an instant that Paul McCartney may have been replaced. To prevent this from polluting and spoiling our investigation into Paul's murder, this thread was designed specifically to ONLY discuss the Murder Investigation and any other subjects which might help better understand WHO was behind his Assassination and why they had him Killed and Replaced.


This thread was arbitrarily moved to the PEOPLE section of Below Top Secret because of a unilateral decision on the part of the ATS forum Moderators who decided that it was inappropriate to leave it in the original location where it was first posted, namely the Highly Speculative Skunk Works Conspiracy Section of ABOVE Top Secret. I have never understood this decision, this thread happened to find itself buried in one of the least visited sections of ATS further away from public view yet than the Skunk Works ghetto. That no moderator steps up to the plate to require that this gang of trolls respect the thread topic or leave this discussion could bring one to question whether the volunteer moderators are overwhelmed by the success of this forum and unable to be everywhere at once.


Regarding "what is wrong with those people" there are a variety of interpretations. All of them result in the same characteristic behavior, the very unfriendly ridiculing of anyone who dares suggest Paul is Dead, drowning out the courteous discussion of the topic by turning it into a shouting match, insulting those who contribute most constructively so that they waste their energy on defending themselves rather than making our knowledge advance and helping new theories emerge.


Some consider them to be piecemeal-paid shills working for private interests such as those who stand to benefit from crimes such as the corporate takeover of Media royalties and sales revenues by underworld groups using impostors to deceive the public.


Others consider them to be salaried disinformation agents working for the propaganda departments of Counter Intelligence Programs called in short Cointelpro. In this event they would be organized in teams, coached in techniques where they are trained to heckle effectively, follow rehearsed scenarios scientifically designed to derail discussions, demotivate truth seekers, intimidate newcomers to the topic and generally poison any constructive process engaged in a group effort to better understand a conspiracy or act more intelligently against the perpetration of what is tantamount to crime against one's own citizens.


Finally they could also be extremely uncouth and ill-mannered innocent but equally offensive trouble makers seeking to gain attention by their ability to become a nuisance, and relishing with joy the cowardly satisfaction of assailing their victims while hidden behind a distasteful acronym and an obnoxious flashing avatar.


Whatever you conclude, they are for all intents and purposes TROLLS who have purposely joined this thread in an attempt to destroy it or bring the forum administrators to close it for unruly behavior. Their motive is censorship, something that ATS was designed to oppose.


GS

Regarding the Investigation into Paul's Murder, there is new information regarding what is today referred to as a gang of "Hollywood Star Whackers".


There is probable cause to believe that there just may happen to be a link between these increasingly visible and public murderous acts and the organized use of the Entertainment Industry for Mass Propaganda, Mind Control over Populations and the Formation of Public Opinion.


For this specific purpose of gaining a better background on what is going on today in the Entertainment Industry which has probably not undergone any sudden unexplained changes in recent days, here is an ABC Television Interview of the Quaids speaking more about the situation and the web of corruption and Government Complicities in these crimes including the recent murders of Keith Ledger and David Carradine.


ABC Interview of the Quaids


They also go so far as to say that Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears and Mel Gibson are in danger, and that Oksana Grigorieva was "sent to "do him in" [Mel GIbson].






CLICK THIS LINK TO SOURCE


This story is unraveling as may well also be the system by which the Illumnati control Musicians and Actors as PAWNS in their program of manipulating society and orchestrating our distraction from the real issues which affect us all deeply.


That they've stepped up the killings and no longer seek to do a clean job of making them discrete and disguised as suicides, accidents or substance abuse (remember Marilyn?) shows that the Brainwashing Racketeers are losing their edge, with people such as the Quaids finding ways to resist and with the Press finally being willing to take a stand against the Mob Mentality of the ruling Elite who use the Secret Service as stooge henchmen for their dastardly deeds. It is going to take a heck of a taskforce to clean up the act of the CIA, the FBI and the local Police in logistically critical locations such as Los Angeles or Nashville among others.


We can also hope that initiatives similar to Wikileaks will finally bring to public awareness the extensiveness of the CONSPIRACY to deceive the masses with totally fabricated untalented pseudo-artists promoted to fame and fortune by wholly controlled News Media and Corporate Broadcasting Networks.


We may yet find out WHO killed James Paul McCartney, records probably subsist, witnesses are not yet all dead nor are necessarily the perpetrators involved in the various phases of the crime. For example, at this time FAUL is still in active duty operating in full public view as one of the original criminal conspirators.


Getsmart

UPDATE ON THE 'STAR WHACKERS':


Less than 3 weeks ago, significantly after the Quaids' original warnings, Hollywood Publicist Ronni Chasen was shot in the head point blank 3 times while driving her Mercedes on her way home from the Premiere of 'Burlesque' smack in the middle of posh Beverly Hills where all the movie stars and film industry moguls reside.


Somebody is sending EVERYONE who is ANYONE in the business a clear and LOUD message of what awaits them if they speak, struggle or otherwise counter the plans of the Underworld Illuminati Propaganda Mobsters who run Show Business today.


Ronni Chasen in Wikipedia


Remember how John Lennon quipping against Show Business Zionists before being himself replaced by a very good double at around the same time as Paul back in 1966? This gang is most lethal but their construct built upon murder, deception and intimidation is crumbling so that today "The Walls of Jericho are Tumbling!" For this reason they have stepped up the killings and gotten sloppy, because they have more to lose allowing the growing whistle blowing disclosure follow its course than to act awkwardly with messy assassinations which, despite increasingly obvious evidence of a conspiracy to commit first degree murder have the useful side effect of sending out a message that not only they can murder anyone anywhere but that they've got long enough a reach to get away with it. Read up on Ronni's murder investigation here:


Experts say Hollywood publicist Ronni Chasen's murder looks professional, premeditated


These crimes are not a grouping of isolated incidents but are targeted against an entire class of individuals associated with the Movie and Music Industries. We first became aware of this when a major celebrity actively promoted by the Illuminati Tavistock Institute as one of the Beatles was very clumsily replaced by an extremely bad double. We can assume, from the presence of a number of semi-official Beatles doubles hired and trained by Tavistock that this was not a planned replacement, given its extremely poor performance. But it served to intimidate others in Show Business that at any time they could also be replaced, after all, they got away with it with the world's greatest celebrity of the time and are still getting away with it today.


Not if we have anything to say.


GS

Originally posted by Getsmart
Wally Hope are part of a trolling gang who go from discussion board to discussion board with the purpose of attacking anyone who dares think for an instant that Paul McCartney may have been replaced.

You are a liar. I do no such thing.

You not only fabricate things about PM, but you lie about ATS members.

I have NEVER EVER posted on any other forum ANYTHING about PM, let alone PID.

You're not that important and neither is the PID claim, get over yourself.

We've shown you over and over again that your evidence is bogus. You have not shown us one piece of evidence that cannot be explained in another way. For such a claim your evidence has to be rock solid, not doctored pictures and misinterpretation of so called 'clues'. Not trying to insult you just denying ignorance.

Originally posted by Wally Hope

You are a liar. I do no such thing.

You not only fabricate things about PM, but you lie about ATS members.

I have NEVER EVER posted on any other forum ANYTHING about PM, let alone PID.

You're not that important and neither is the PID claim, get over yourself.

We've shown you over and over again that your evidence is bogus. You have not shown us one piece of evidence that cannot be explained in another way. For such a claim your evidence has to be rock solid, not doctored pictures and misinterpretation of so called 'clues'. Not trying to insult you just denying ignorance.

edit on 4-12-2010 by Wally Hope because: typo

You are right, Wally Hope. Of course they lie about all of the PIA people. They accuse us of being paid agents, which is absurd. They also accuse us of doctoring photos, but never ever offer proof. That is what they do to Paul McCartney and everyone else.

Making false accusations about other ATS members would seem to be a TOS violation.

Actually, giuve424, I have been involved in the PID discussion, on various forums, since 2003, long before GS got involved. In the beginning, being a member of 60IF, I was open to either side, but with a leaning towards PID. It was only after seeing all of the evidence that I came to the conclusion that Paul is alive and well.

Back in the early days of the 60IF forum, there were a lot of crazy theories being thrown around. For instance, it was posted that Paul died of explosive diarrhea from IBS. Another was that Paul's corpse was launched into space by NASA and is in orbit. When I questioned one of these goofy theories, I was immediately accused of being a paid disinformation agent working for Faul. Of course, I knew this was not even close to being true, but I saw that truth and facts meant nothing to these people. If someone disagreed with anything they said, that person was to be smeared just like they were doing to Paul and the other Beatles. I figured that if they could be so wrong about me, they just might not be all that reliable about the stuff they were posting about Paul. Time has proven that I figured correctly.

reply to post by edmond dantes

You know I'm kinda over the whole PID thing, what fascinates me now is who these PID people are, what motivates them to lie and deceive to try convince people of this hoax?

They would make fascinating psychological studies...

The only thing I can think of is they do this to try to get traffic to their web sites?

Originally posted by Wally Hope
reply to post by edmond dantes

 

You know I'm kinda over the whole PID thing, what fascinates me now is who these PID people are, what motivates them to lie and deceive to try convince people of this hoax?

Do you mean like religious people? The answer could be the same: rightly or wrongly they could be concerned for their fellows.

From THE PRIVATE JOHN LENNON: The Untold Story From His Sister, by Julia Baird. paperback edition

Control Agent Yoko Ono...

page 253

"I didn't get invited to (John's) funeral. Jackie (John's other sister) didn't get invited to the funeral. No one in John's English family, apart from Julian, was invited to the funeral. We were not contacted or informed of anything. I felt there was no way I could phone Yoko, after she made it so clear before that our calls weren't welcome."

"Of course there wasn't a funeral, as such. We now know that John was cremated in secret the day after he died and his ashes were returned to Yoko in a jar. But we didn't know that then."

----------

Yoko always seemed to shut out John's English family. She controlled any access to "John Lennon" Why is that? Well, perhaps she didn't want the stand-in's cover blown by the real Lennon's English family because there was bound to be a moment of realization if they ever had a long chat with him or spent time in person with him. Yoko was shielding the impostor from those who could best tell the difference. If any of them came to NYC for a funeral, they might ask too many questions or want to know things that Yoko didn't want them to find out. Cremating the body straight away reminds me of the WTC Towers' steel being shipped off to a smelter to destroy evidence. I wonder if NYPD or the morgue got prints from the body before it was cremated. If they did, then obviously they could be compared with young John's.

More on the story coming up in posts. Julia Baird, I think, knows the basic charade, but cannot speak out for her own safety, but she has included some tidbits in her book that are meant to give us a kind of coded message of "things were not normal" --- if you understand.

11/7/04 Sunday Mercury 40
2004 WLNR 10485825
Sunday Mercury (Birmingham, UK)
Copyright © 2004 MGN Ltd.
November 7, 2004
Section: Features

Music: This man isn't the real Mac

UGLY PHIL

...Type 'music conspiracies' into your internet search engineand you'll find some evidence that'll make you kick yourself for missing the obvious clues in the first place.Paul McCartney's dead for starters. Well, the original one anyway!
He was replaced by a lookalike lefthanded bass-player early on, and the rest of The Beatles were sworn to secrecy...
And, hey, it explains why his music went from brilliant to bloody awful almost overnight...
Spooky or what? Bottom line here, people. If you're Paul McCartney, then you're living a lie...

reply to post by someotherguy


So Pepper, the White album, Abbey Road, all bloody awful huh?

As for post-Beatles you should realise that The Beatles songs were as much a result of the other three Beatles and George Martin, regardless of who wrote the song. Take away the people you've worked with for years then you are not going to produce the same music as you did before.

Do Johns solo songs sound like his Beatle songs? No they don't, far from it, even the stuff that had George and Ringo on them.

Stop claiming Paul is dead as a fact you just make yourself sound stupid.

Originally posted by Wally Hope
Stop claiming Paul is dead as a fact you just make yourself sound stupid.

Wally,


In case you didn't notice, and I'd like to deliver this message with FLOWERS please, this thread is NOT NOT NOT about debating whether Paul is Dead or Alive. It is to investigate his murder. If you think he is alive, more power to you, but please do so elsewhere, such as in a thread where this is the topic. Here you are OFF TOPIC.


MODS, please remind posters here that if they are not present in this thread to investigate Paul's murder, then to please post irrelevant and OFF TOPIC comments in a more appropriate place. Their OFF TOPIC posting is preventing the constructive discussion of an important crime investigation as well as our efforts to get to the bottom of a very central conspiracy. Thanks for helping ensure that ATS continues to provide a place to INVESTIGATE.


Getsmart

Originally posted by Wally Hope
You know I'm kinda over the whole PID thing, what fascinates me now is who these PID people are, what motivates them to lie and deceive to try convince people of this hoax?

Originally posted by aorAki
Do you mean like religious people? The answer could be the same: rightly or wrongly they could be concerned for their fellows.

Hi aorAki,


You are correct, about rightly or wrongly. I am entitled to investigate Paul's murder because some of us happen to be concerned about their fellow humans beings being murdered, while the rest of us are being deceived by mass propaganda and false news reports. Rightly or wrongly, we are seeking to explore as far as possible the implications of the assassination and replacement of James Paul McCartney and anything associated which can help explain this crime. That is the declared official purpose of this thread.


I respect others who, rightly or wrongly, beg to differ and believe that the very idea of Paul's murder and replacement is erroneous, or worse yet, a hoax. They are quite entitled to this or any other opinion and can therefore freely discuss this as they wish, as long as they don't prevent others from pursuing their own quest for truth along another path, such as the one outlined in this thread.


Therefore I plan to continue to explore the rabbit hole of James Paul McCartney's Assassination, which seems to hold more truth than originally expected regarding a far vaster and more oppressive organized system of cultural brainwashing through music and movies - leveraging pop culture to create a fabricated reality to imprison populations, creating what has been come to be known as The Matrix.


Culture is the key to our minds using our imagination to define a virtual reality designed to become our shared social reality. For this reason our Culture is "Manipulated" in all of its branches, from Science which aggressively controls what is politically orthodox, to Education which drums into us learned paradigms that must never be questioned, to Movies which very much dominate what world we can envisage living in as well as strong behavioral directives, to Music which give a psychological coloring and orchestrates our emotions in a carefully selected array of associations.


To give a simple example of how the human mind is susceptible to auditive or visual influence, here is a short video clip demonstrating how our mind deals with conflicting inputs from hearing and sight.


Do you hear what you hear or what you see?



They conclude that "we can't always trust what we hear, because sometimes our sense of vision takes over". I would add that "we can't always trust what we see, because sometimes our sense of reality programmed into our minds takes over":


So it is normal that we would be fighting over whether Paul was replaced or not, some of us seeing him as BAAA BAAA BAAL and others seeing him as FAAA FAAA FAUL.


Let us remember that the REALITY CONSTRUCT which is the object of the WAR FOR OUR MINDS is not something we can fully master ourselves, even if we know about it and work hard to prevent it from acting upon our perspective of reality. After all, the researcher who produced the above video segment is as much a victim of this distortion effect of reality as we are, showing just how much our REALITY is a product of our Minds. What this means is just how much power there is to be found in first defining and later controlling what is in people's minds.


Big Brother has moved from monitoring and censoring our thoughts on to designing and implanting them in our minds. This is a greater power to control the world than the basic housekeeping of the former times of censorship. It is only once alternative ideas, such as this thread, threaten to shatter that fabricated reality that those in power seek to oppose them with a barrage of Counter Intelligence Program disinformation tactics, of which here are a few courtesy of Marco Torres:


1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.
Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant.
Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used to show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers.
Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method works especially well with a silent press because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man.
Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.
This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run.
In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain critical reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

7. Question motives.
Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority.
Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb.
No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news.
A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions.
Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just aren't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution.
Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic.
Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions.
Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions.
This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanish evidence and witnesses.
If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject.
Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.
If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

19. Ignore facts presented, demand impossible proofs.
This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence.
Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body.
Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed an unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.

22. Manufacture a new truth.
Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions.
If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

24. Silence critics.
If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.

25. Vanish.
If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.


While there are the usual denials of organized thread derailing or efforts at shutting out the truth while confusing and demotivating truthseekers, there are multiple occasions in this thread where the above listed tactics appear to have been employed by those in disagreement with the legitimacy and even the very existence of this discussion topic. If you care to take a look at the 50 odd pages rife with posts by 'uninvited' hecklers' seeking to CENSOR this thread, you will easily detect a pattern of characteristic behaviors. These happen to coincide closely with the official disinformation tactics used by Cointelpro agents, whether or not that is what is occurring in this thread.


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TALLIED ACTIONS TO CENSOR OUR INVESTIGATION

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.
This is done here by the invariable and comprehensive denial of all evidence and every analysis of Paul's death in a thread dedicated to that very subject.

2. Become incredulous and indignant.
Multiple incidences of simulated outraged 'righteous indignation' and mockery are to be found in this thread.

3. Create rumor mongers.
It was alleged here that the widespread awareness of Paul's death in the 60's was nothing more than a rumor fomented by a psychologically unstable teenager thousands of miles away who, of course, changed the minds of those who had met The Beatles before the swap.

4. Use a straw man.
PIA posters in this thread load all charges against a single picture detail or a tiny flaw in analysis, usually targeting as the object of their scorn in personal attacks important ATS researcher Someotherguy.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.
What haven't we been called? Enjoy the list. Doesn't this say something about the character of those posting?.

6. Hit and Run.
Typical disruptive behavior in this thread making claims without ever addressing the evidence. Don't let them get away with it without consequence: Make sure you take down their license number or, in this instance, their Alias Acronym and Avatar. Remember what they are all about when you meet them in other threads where similar disinfo tactics are used.

7. Question motives.
Wally Hope just offered us a clear example of this, questioning my own motives despite the clarity of these by virtue of the TITLE of this thread: JUSTICE. I have repeated that motive in most of my posts, so either he is obtuse or he is disingenuous, other aspects of his behavior make me lean towards the latter interpretation.

8. Invoke authority.
PIA posters here claim authority based upon their own proprietary websites filled with tampered photos and disinfo blogs. And they dispute any authority of nonetheless legal court recognized forensic experts, using gall as a replacement for reason.

9. Play Dumb.
All arguments and analyses of our investigation are ignored or met with blanket denial without a trace of logic. They just happen to know that whatever we might say that goes against the PARTY LINE is wrong, no reasons needed.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news.
Paul's assassination is denied on the basis that the accident theory is incorrect, or because there once was a complicit Illuminati controlled Life Magazine.article debunking the truth because FAUL SAID HE WAS PAUL.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions.
Some OFF TOPIC posters here who claim the entire thread is a falsehood, seek to obtain sympathy as victims, such as Wally Hope on this very page. Let's not talk about the thread topic, but all agree that Wally is right on principle and no longer speculate that Conspiracies might exist. Taking this a stretch further why not sign off permanently from ATS where people say lots of other things our dear Wally Hopes we won't know?.

12. Enigmas have no solution.
Denial is currently preferred, presumably until we get closer to the truth. However, since it has been decades since Paul's murder, those who pollute this thread with denial 'droppings' refer to insufficient evidence of a crime committed so long ago.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic.
Backwards reasoning of PIA posters is found in multiple instances here, enjoy the easy hunt. For example, since Paul isn't dead, his replacement FAUL is the genuine Paul even though he has a different size and shaped skull, conflicting bone structure and multiple facial features that are all wrong. Not to mention that eye color changes with age and ears gain lobes or jaw-lines shapeshift naturally.

14. Demand complete solutions.
Those posters avoid the issues of this Criminal Investigation by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely or desist in their attempts to do so eventually over time.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions.
This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place. Since there is precious little creative thinking on behalf of those in the PIA camp we can only conclude that these contingencies were planned as part of the Assassination and Replacement program.

16. Vanish evidence and witnesses.
Witnesses such as Paul's brother Peter Michael McCartney were themselves replaced, and it can possibly be asked if Paul himself wasn't a 'vanished witness' for having been confronted with John's earlier assassination and replacement in 1966? That a number of suspicious deaths surround the Beatles replacement of course means nothing.

17. Change the subject.
PIA posters have come here to STOP this discussion by changing the topic from MOTIVATIONS FOR THE MURDER OF PAUL MCCARTNEY to a standardized boring quip about why it isn't true that Paul was ever replaced, much less killed. That is OFF TOPIC THREAD DERAILING which is BANNED at ATS.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.
This group of posters systematically antagonize rational investigators here, and goad us by personal attacks where we are compelled to defend honest truthseekers contributing to the discussion. Ridicule and slander is also used to shift the discussion OFF TOPIC.

19. Ignore facts presented, demand impossible proofs.
Regardless of what material may be presented, they claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible to come by only because it is not at our disposal, with statements such as "without Paul's body there is no murder" when in fact the impostor himself is sufficient evidence of Foul Play opening to logical presumption of guilt and complicity to murder and spoliate his Estate.

20. False evidence.
Given the crime was probably designed and plotted taking into account contingencies for the purpose of disinformation, the facts cannot be easily separated from planted fabrications. Faked pictures on PIA websites and falsified photos add to the engineered confusion.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body.
Some go so far as to claim that if there had been a crime the notoriously complicit Police would have necessarily investigated. For the validity of such assumptions I refer you to the L.A. County Police cover-up of Mal Evans' murder and Scotland Yard's interference with Japan's refusal of Faul for border entry. Saying that the police always get their man and know of all crimes or investigate every one to their fullest capability is a falsehood.

22. Manufacture a new truth.
For now this has only been done by their disinformation Paul Is Alive websites. Were he alive he wouldn't need such contraptions. FAUL is notoriously ducking the issue when he isn't unconsciously confessing in public.

23. Create bigger distractions.
Denouncing me, the original poster who defined the topic, of being off topic when exploring possible theories about WHO killed Paul and WHY (see previous page). Other of their notorious distractions are claiming to defend the honor of a maligned Faul unjustly accused of not being himself, something which could never attain the honor of somebody who actually is the person they purport to be.

24. Silence critics.
Intimidation and harassment, such as publicly revealing an ATS members' identity and location are among the tactics used by people claiming Paul is Alive have proven to be a menace to truth seekers who look for JUSTICE at last for Paul's Assassins.

25. Vanish.
They tend to disappear from PID threads once their true role is revealed and their continued presence only calls further attention to organized disinformation dispositions. Might we only encourage them to move on to tactic 25 NOW?


To this list I shall add the use of flashing Avatars and flashing falsified picture comparisons which are designed by their timed pulsations to induce a hypnotic suggestion effect on those still on the fence about whether Paul was indeed murdered and replaced. Ask yourself: "Who would stand to gain by hypnotizing people into believing something? Not those revealing the truth which speaks for itself, without mind control bells and whistles.


So what are the PIA posters doing in this thread despite specific statements in the original topic description that this was NOT the place to claim Paul is Alive?


What are they doing, remaining here against the thread's purpose in an organized effort to DERAIL this thread, and this despite multiple REMINDERS to either discuss the TOPIC or discuss OFF TOPIC matters elsewhere?


Figure it out for yourself. There is sufficient characteristic behavior in this thread to explain what's up without needing their signed confession.

Paul was murdered and replaced.

We shall investigate this crime.

R.I. P.

GS

Originally posted by switching yard
From THE PRIVATE JOHN LENNON: The Untold Story From His Sister, by Julia Baird. paperback edition

Control Agent Yoko Ono...

page 253

"I didn't get invited to (John's) funeral. Jackie (John's other sister) didn't get invited to the funeral. No one in John's English family, apart from Julian, was invited to the funeral. We were not contacted or informed of anything. I felt there was no way I could phone Yoko, after she made it so clear before that our calls weren't welcome."

"Of course there wasn't a funeral, as such. We now know that John was cremated in secret the day after he died and his ashes were returned to Yoko in a jar. But we didn't know that then."

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Yoko always seemed to shut out John's English family. She controlled any access to "John Lennon" Why is that? Well, perhaps she didn't want the stand-in's cover blown by the real Lennon's English family because there was bound to be a moment of realization if they ever had a long chat with him or spent time in person with him. Yoko was shielding the impostor from those who could best tell the difference. If any of them came to NYC for a funeral, they might ask too many questions or want to know things that Yoko didn't want them to find out. Cremating the body straight away reminds me of the WTC Towers' steel being shipped off to a smelter to destroy evidence. I wonder if NYPD or the morgue got prints from the body before it was cremated. If they did, then obviously they could be compared with young John's.

More on the story coming up in posts. Julia Baird, I think, knows the basic charade, but cannot speak out for her own safety, but she has included some tidbits in her book that are meant to give us a kind of coded message of "things were not normal" --- if you understand.

edit on 6-12-2010 by switching yard because: fix spelling

Hi Switching Yard and thanks for bringing us back ON TOPIC. What this is about is really sticking to INVESTIGATING PAUL'S MURDER and not exploring the actions and behaviors of those trying to derail our efforts.


The subject of John's handler is important because it reveals much about the nature of the Cointelpro action plan regarding how they 'handle' people working in the Cultural Media, this being true in any given number of domains. In Science it is done through 'Mentoring' and Peer Review committees, in Education it is done by coercing all educators and teachers to obey the system constraints of a rigid program, in the movies it is done through Agents or the Media organizations themselves favoring those who best lend themselves to be tools destroying the career or impostor replacing those who rebel, in Music by the actual contrived design and creation or substantial of 'bands' or 'groups' and their material to coincide with the prevailing Agenda.


I also find the issue of Yoko Ono as one which is even more interesting because it points out that while the structured organized promotion process of the industry operates its own control over original artists, that handlers are used possibly more often to 'manage' replacement Impostors just as Linda Eastman was used to 'handle' Paul's replacement FAUL. This is for any number of reasons, ranging from the useful and often employed method of serving as a pretext for shutting out those familiar who might blow the whistle, also discrediting their potential testimony as a vindictive reaction for being turned away. It is also used to create a diversion whenever the Impostor makes a slip or act in to uncharacteristic a manner, the field agent calling away attention from the incident or otherwise making the change in the Star appear due to their own initiative or overreaching influence.


Yoko Ono has revealed by slips of the tongue that there were several Johns and that the one who was gunned down at the Dakota building was one of the nice ones. Aside from being of a well known Illuminati family, coincidentally just like Linda Eastman, she also has served to steal the real John Lennon's royalties and cash flows for the controlling organization. I also think that she served as a pretext for the rift between The Beatles at a time where the bevy of Impostors was getting difficult to manage in the context of the late sixties thunder about Paul's death and mounting suspicions regarding the authenticity of the other members of the Beatles remaining in public view.


That Ringo was replaced before the movie HELP cannot be contested by anyone with eyes to see. The height discrepancy is greater yet between Ringo and Fingo that that between Paul and Faul. However given that he was an averagely talented sidekick of The Beatles made it less obvious or at least less highly contested that he was not the same person, Paul, John and George having sufficient pretty boy sex appeal to serve as useful lightning rods for public scrutiny. However, this very appeal they had makes their own replacement all the more obvious, the date of their respective replacement coinciding exactly with the date of their distinctive and permanent loss of sex appeal. They still both had it during their 1966 Munich Concert, losing it shortly thereafter. I wonder even if there wasn't a very good FAUL #1 I readied for replacement at the same time John was replaced by a very good FOHN #1 impostor?


This would explain that while he still looked plausible like Paul he no longer acted like Paul. Then something appears to have happened to this credible FAUL #1 who had to be replaced on the cuff prior to the Los Angeles concert where FAUL #2 appeared in public view. If this was the case then we can well understand the need for highly dedicated Illuminati handlers used as spouses or other intimate persons in a Celebrity Impostor's entourage. If for no other reason than to serve as an early warning system when the impostor is getting wet feet.


So thanks Switching Yard for posting this testimony about how Yoko Ono served to distance John's friends form John's impostor. Such a presence can be found in many instances of Celebrity Impostor replacements with the position of choice being that of Spouse so that a real spouse won't go "Heather Mills" on them by getting too close to the truth, and so that nobody can argue their legitimacy in taking over much of the Celebrity's life choices and orientations, which coincidentally happen to rejoin the Illuminati mind control agenda.


Handlers are therefore an excellent clue to follow in the investigation of Replaced Celebrities in the Entertainment Industries. Also they might serve to provide a link to those who are running the Celebrity Replacement program, and this could be why some of them have been silenced, causing us to wonder about the motives of the latest Star Whacker shooting in Beverly Hills of a major Hollywood Studio publicist who possibly knew too much and had loose lips?


GS