PID - Motivations for the Murder of Paul McCartney

Originally posted by someotherguy

From an anonymous source - pointing out the height discrepancy.

I don't buy it.

On the left Yoko is standing upright and John is leaning towards her.
On the right, Yoko is leaning and John is more upright.
This can accommodate the height discrepancies seen in these two pictures...

...basically comparing two photos of people with different poses in each is like comparing apples and oranges.

Other than that, they appear to be the same people with the same proportions, just different poses.

That's my take on that.

Now, don't take me wrongly. The 'death mask' photo of John Lennon is very peculiar and looks like a definite composition, so something is going on. I just don't think the above photo comparison works.

reply to post by aorAki


Yes, I know it's a close call. I wish we could get zooms of the faces in these two photos.
To me, there does seem to be a height difference, but that's just me.

The shape of Yoko's left leg is almost identical, so that's another fact in your favor, aorAki. So, yeah, I may well have jumped to the same conclusion as "anonymous" without thinking more clearly.

If it was two doubles in Gibraltar and wherever the other shot was taken, somebody would have had to go to a lot of trouble dressing the doubles in identical clothing. Why would they go to the trouble? They wouldn't, unless they wanted the press and public to think they went to Gibraltar when in reality they went somewhere else unknown to anyone in the press.

[edit on 12-5-2010 by switching yard]

[edit on 12-5-2010 by switching yard]

Yesterday, I viewed a PID double feature... MIRAGE and PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE.

Strangely, both films reminded me of EYES WIDE SHUT. I didn't expect that, but it's there.

Another surprise about MIRAGE is that I was expecting a repeated mention in the dialogue of the phrase "Dr. Pepper." But interestingly, that phrase is in the film only one time. Another key word in the film is "Major" because one of the bad guys in this mind control film is an Army Major. So, if you're a Beatle or part of the entourage on tour in America in 1966 when MIRAGE was released, you could have seen this film at a movie theater. Recalling the film as having a plot concerning a mind control conspiracy, you might recall in the dialogue of the film the words "Army Major" and "Pepper." It isn't hard to adjust that to form song lyrics... "Sergeant Pepper." Hmmmm.

PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE has a lot of clues in it that PID followers will spot during the movie. The "phantom" character wears a cape and mask that's almost identical to the costume of the bird beak mask and cape in EYES WIDE SHUT. By the way, the historical precedent of the bird mask and cape is from the time of The Plague in Europe when doctors would enter a room of a dying plague sufferer wherein the doctor would only be wearing a bird mask and cape. That was to avoid contagion. Weird, but that's a fact.

I recommend this double feature for PID researchers... MIRAGE followed by PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE. Wicked fun.

The corporate logo of "Swan" the main bad guy is a dead blackbird. Hmmmm.

[edit on 12-5-2010 by switching yard]

More anomalies from LENNON REMEMBERS...

page 6

"Lennon" claims that the reference to "the fifth of November" (Guy Fawkes Day in England) which is at the end of the song "Remember"... "Lennon" says it was "just an ad lib" and not planned. Oddly, the editor of the book saw fit to place a footnote at the bottom of the page that says "Remember... the fifth of November!" is in the song "Working Class Hero." Big mistake. This is the year 2000 edition of the book. So, if the footnote was erroneous in 1971, why was it used again in 2000?

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page 7

LENNON: "I change daily." This reminds me of what Philip Norman said about Faul... he makes up history daily.

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page 7

LENNON: "You're born in pain, and pain is what we're in most of the time. And I think the bigger the pain, the more gods we need."

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page 8

WENNER: "What's the difference between the producing styles of George Martin and Phil Spector?"

LENNON: "Well, George Martin --- I don't know. You see, for quite a few of our albums... George Martin didn't really produce... I can't remember."

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page 8

LENNON: "I'm very shy."

"Lennon" on producing... "apart from the early days, I didn't have much to do with it."

The facts are just the opposite.

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page 8

LENNON: "George Martin is more Paul's style of music than mine."

Keep in mind that George Martin produced almost all of Lennon's most popular classics.

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page 11

LENNON: "Beatles is another myth. I've got to get down to so-called reality."

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page 13

YOKO: "I think John being John is a bit unfair to his music."

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page 14

"Lennon" claims that Yoko's avant garde song "Don't Worry Kyoko" is one of the best rock 'n roll songs of all time.

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page 14

LENNON: "I'm influenced by her [Yoko's] music one-thousand percent more than I ever was by Dylan."

Any historian of The Beatles would argue that's just not true.

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An interesting video...

www.youtube.com.../u/2/_wgTUd45jBw

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Switching Yard, you are really nailing them w/ their slip-ups in that book. Please, keep it coming!

Here is what I consider to be a really insightful post by an Icke member named Jo_6:

...The original Beatles were a massive force for the light!
They were laughing lovely men who gave you a warm feeling inside, wrote ace music and obviously thoroughly enjoyed performing it live. I believe they were a massive force of goodness and love, with like an etheric gold shining energy coming from them.
The dark controlling forces do not let this be when it occurs in a way that effects the masses. (Look at JFK and Bob Marley). They do not want Light forces of truth and goodness to effect the masses and lift us up and wake us up. So they stamp on it and suppress it, snuff it out, nip it in the bud. And , perhaps this is what happened to the Beatles. They were a massive force that effected the masses, and they weren't going to 'co-operate' with the dark controlling forces...so they were took out. And to carry on with the juggernaut powerboat that was the Beatles, to keep cashing in and using them as a tool to manipulate the masses, they were replaced. Anyone close was bought off, or threatened, scared into submission...

www.davidicke.com...

Of course, I agree w/ that 100%!

Jo_6 posted these comps, too. I think the jawline might be the smoking gun. Well, that & the nose. Oh, & the personality & talent. lol

John's jaw was strong & square, then became more pointed.

Ironic that the book is called "Lennon Remembers." He doesn't seem to remember sh*t. lol

Thanks for that quote from the Icke forum, someotherguy.

I tend to agree with that, as well as your take on the "spiritual" thing a few posts back. The original fab four were taken advantage of and cheated out of a lot of money. Brian was a terrific promoter but in business was looking out mainly for himself. He didn't make good business deals that would have been more fair to the group. In show business, shrewd businessmen take advantage of the fact that musicians don't know anything about product licensing, royalties, owning their own publishing rights, and on and on. Especially, in those days, The Beatles and most other pop music groups were ripped off. So, I think the many ways they were cheated were the beginning of the dark forces. Then, after they got so big and influential, more powerful dark forces arranged for a complete turnover of personnel in order to control not only the money but the message, the fame, and quite possibly Luciferianism Crowley style.

Another thing that has bothered me for years is that after 1966, "Lennon" seemed to sound much more Irish. To my ears, he went from an English accent in the early years to an Irish accent during and after Sergeant Pepper. Maybe TPTB thought that recruiting an Irishman would get them closer to a Liverpool accent without having to take someone directly from Liverpool. Just a little observation. How would an Irishman sound if he tried to make his accent more scouse... like post-1966 Lennon!

More anomalies from LENNON REMEMBERS...

page 16

LENNON: We took heroin because of what the Beatles and their pals were doing to us.

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page 17

LENNON: I'm Mr. Kite, mind you.

WENNER: You're Mr. Kite?

LENNON: No, no. I knocked off "A Day In The Life" or my section of it, and whatever we were talking about, Mr. Kite, or something like that. I was very paranoid in those days and I could hardly move.

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page 17

On Lennon's appearance in The Rock 'n Roll Revival Show in Toronto...

WENNER: Would you still be that nervous if you appeared in public?

LENNON: Always that nervous, but with one thing or another, it just had to come out some way. I don't want to perform too much for people.

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page 18

LENNON: My personal tastes are very strange.

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page 18

WENNER: What do you think of the rock 'n roll scene today?

LENNON: I don't know what it is.

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I find it sad that people just believe w/out question that John abandoned his wife & child for an Elite Japanese banker's daughter, & promoted war & a psycho-chemical, psychological warfare agent ('___'). Oh, & possibly Luciferian principles, too.










[edit on 13-5-2010 by someotherguy]

This is not the same profile:



Or maybe that isn't supposed to be John sitting next to Faul in that bottom picture...?

John's nose was aquiline, not beaky:




It's funny how pretty much anything will pass as John - even a lumberjack.



And yeah, that is supposed to be John Lennon.


[edit on 14-5-2010 by someotherguy]

Not the same nose

Nice beak there.

Excellent photo comparisons. For me personally, the mystery deepens with every new awareness of the extent of the coverup.

All of this whole thing has had to have been endorsed by intelligence agencies, heads of state and the whole works.

I've wondered why the Nobel Peace Prize has never gone to John and Yoko. They could have easily awarded John the Peace Prize posthumously if they wanted to, but now I suspect it never went to them because perhaps the committee knows or suspects that something's been fishy about John & Yoko from day one.

Originally posted by switching yard
I've wondered why the Nobel Peace Prize has never gone to John and Yoko.

Well, this is just my personal opinion, but I think they made the peace movement seem ridiculous. Doesn't sitting in a bag talking about peace seem like something Monty Python would do? I think the serious anti-war movements was hi-jacked & made a laughing stock. John and the other Beatles spoke seriously against the war in Aug. 1966. What if protestors had been portrayed as serious, thoughtful people rather than people just using silly gimmicks like bag-ins & hair peace?

My latest effort to expose impostors wherever they may lurk:

I don't believe in Featles: CIAlebrity impersonator: "John Lennon"

BTW, I don't think it's a coincidence that Lennon & Lenin had the same sounding name. It may have been an instance of good canceling out evil at an energetic/spiritual level.

Posted by Jo_6 at Icke:

Just noticed these in the Playboy interview with John Lennon. Seems a bit odd..


PLAYBOY: John, you've been asked this a thousand times, but why is it so unthinkable that the Beatles might get back together to make some music?"

LENNON: "Do you want to go back to high school? Why should I go back ten years to provide an illusion for you [B]that I know does not exist? It cannot exist." [/B]
PLAYBOY: "Then forget the illusion. What about just to make some great music again? Do you acknowledge that the Beatles made great music?"

LENNON: "Why should the Beatles give more? Didn't they give everything on God's earth for ten years? [B]Didn't they give themselves?[/B] You're like the typical sort of love-hate fan who says, 'Thank you for everything you did for us in the Sixties... would you just give me another shot? Just one more miracle?'"

PLAYBOY: "We're not talking about miracles... just good music."

PLAYBOY: "It seems as if you're trying to say to the world, 'We were just a good band making some good music,' while a lot of the rest of the world is saying, 'It wasn't just some good music, it was the best.'"

LENNON: "Well, if it was the best, so what?"

PLAYBOY: "So..."

LENNON: [B]"It can never be again! Everyone always talks about a good thing coming to an end, as if life was over.[/B]

PLAYBOY: "You keep saying you don't want to go back ten years, that too much has changed. Don't you ever feel it would be interesting... never mind cosmic, just interesting... to get together, with all your new experiences, and cross your talents?"

LENNON: "Wouldn't it be interesting to take Elvis back to his Sun Records period? I don't know. But I'm content to listen to his Sun Records.[B] I don't want to dig him up out of the grave. The Beatles don't exist and can never exist again. John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison and Richard Starkey could put on a concert... but it can never be the Beatles [/B]singing 'Strawberry Fields' or 'I Am The Walrus' again, because we are not in our 20s. We cannot be that again, nor can the people who are listening."

PLAYBOY: "What about the people of your generation, the ones who feel a certain kind of music and spirit died when the Beatles broke up?"

LENNON: "If they didn't understand the Beatles and the Sixties then, what the feck could we do for them now? Do we have to divide the fish and the loaves for the multitudes again? [B]Do we have to get crucified again? Do we have to do the walking on water again because a whole pile of dummies didn't see it the first time, or didn't believe it when they saw it?[/B] You know, that's what they're asking: 'Get off the cross. I didn't understand the first bit yet. Can you do that again?' [B]No way. You can never go home. It doesn't exist." [/B]

www.davidicke.com...

I think the last thing John would have done would have been to liken himself to Jesus, especially after the brouhaha over his "Jesus statement." There are 4 Jesus references in that last paragraph above:

divide the fish and the loaves for the multitudes
get crucified
walking on water
Get off the cross

Nose is longer, eyes are darker, space between nose & upper lip is shorter, lips are thinner:




[edit on 16-5-2010 by someotherguy]

double post

[edit on 16-5-2010 by aorAki]

In the second picture his face is angled down more than in the first, giving the illusion of a shorter space between his nose and his mouth. Heroin addiction and drug use can account for thinner features.

The shading of the second picture negates any possible comment about chin shape. Eye colour could be related to the obviously different light those two pictures are taken in.

Those two pictures don't work, for me, as a comparison.

I realise you might think I'm 'on your case' as my recent comments have been counter to yours regarding the photos you have posted.

This is not true, I'm just putting forward my perceptions/understandings as I see them.

I do see a difference in some pictures, especially regarding the hooked nose.

I don't think we can read too much into the religious wordplay comments made by (J)ohn. Excessive drug use can lead to a wiry sense of humour.

I've just remembered I have 'Imagine' in pictures somewhere at home that my mum gave to me as a christmas present once. I must look through it and see if there are discernable changes/photoedits etc...

[edit on 16-5-2010 by aorAki]

The profile is rounder on the right:



[edit on 16-5-2010 by someotherguy]

Fantastic photo posts, someotherguy! This cannot be photos of one person. These are, looks to me like at least 3 different guys.

The nose and chin differences are so obvious.

More anomalies in LENNON REMEMBERS...


page 20

LENNON: The Beatles' music died, as musicians. That's why we never improved as musicians. We killed ourselves then, to make it --- and that was the end of it.

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page 23

LENNON: ...I don't like many of The Beatles records either. My own taste is different... which is called 'cop out,' to make money or whatever."

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page 25

WENNER: What were the events that immediately happened after Brian died?

LENNON: Well, we went with Maharishi. I remember being in Wales and then I can't remember. I'll probably have to have a bloody session to remember it. I can't remember. It all just happened.

WENNER: Then you went to India.

LENNON: Yeah, I think so.

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page 25

LENNON: I'm in my own head. I can't be in anyone else's.

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page 25

LENNON: But Paul made an attempt to carry on as if Brian hadn't died... So I went along, we went and made a record. And I suppose we made Pepper. I'm not sure.

WENNER: That was before.

LENNON: That was before Brian. Oh, I see.

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