PID - Motivations for the Murder of Paul McCartney

Originally posted by switching yard
You know, I suspect that the basic truth of all of this is known by up to perhaps (just guessing) a hundred people still alive in Britain today. I think many rock stars either know first hand what went down or strongly suspect what went down and are afraid for their lives to ever mention it. I feel like Mick, Keith and Eric know basically what happened and I think people like Bob Dylan know, too. I believe they are all keeping this secret.

Hi Switching Yard,


You've hit home again with that observation. We can note that the occult theme is something found in other British bands of the day, and some even went so far as to consider that The Rolling Stones had participated in the ritual murder of The Beatles. Right after the switch with replacement Featles, The Rolling Stones came out with this album:


Their Satanic Majesties Request



It probably refers to the Windsors who are by all reputation, even by mainstream media standards, about as Satanic as they get. They may well even be the Devil incarnate...


There have been accounts of the Queen Mother being a bloodthirsty shapeshifting demon considerably taller than she appears in public disguise. And in addition to multiple testimonials to this there is some disturbing contributing factors which reinforce this impression. For example, here is what is said of those who usually carry standard sized coffins:


How many pallbearers will be needed?


The Queen Mother's State Funeral with 8 Pallbearers



In addition to having more pallbearers carrying her casket, and looking like they were hard at the task despite her petite size and weight, I have scaled a photo of her coronation in 1937 next to her daughter. The crown is the same one, it only seems different because in one case it is seen from its narrow frontal face, while on the coffin it is seen from its wider lateral view. The spheres under the giant diamond Kohlinor were my guiding in scaling them to the same size.


The Queen Mother with Crown next to her coffin



In addition to being inordinately long and unwieldy, her coffin was wrapped in heraldic imagery which was adorned with controversial reptilian shapes symbolizing snakes - these can be seen outlined in orange - granted that experts in heraldry have most likely throughout the ages disguised these shapes under an assumed false significance.


The Queen Mother wrapped in Snakes



Her coffin seems to have been considerably oversized, given that only a diminutive one would have been necessary for a small elderly woman who, with the weight of the years, measured about the same height as movie actor Danny DeVito.


Dany DeVito shown for visual reference



This feeds the contention that upon death she reverted permanently to her other form, that of a demonic being of larger proportions which indulged in blood lust satanic rituals to retain a human appearance, for power preservation stealth infiltration purposes.


The REAL nature of the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha British Royal Bloodline



This could possibly help explain why The Rolling Stones may have referred in their 1967 Album to the Windor dynasty as "Their Satanic Majesties" and engaged in the cult of the Devil: out of obedience to their Royal Liege and Sovereigns before Satan ?


This would imply that the British Royal family would have been involved in the ritual sacrifice of The Beatles at about that same time. The Fabulous Four would have been "presented" to them for a Command Performance - - one last one which they would not survive. Given the accounts of the goings on in those circles, I would rather not know what actually happened. Regardless, they had sufficient clout - - just as they had generations earlier covering up for Jack the Ripper - - to smother any mention of their killing and replace them with loyal agents of Her Satanic Majesty's Secret Service.

So, just for the sake of argument assume the Stones knew about what happened. Maybe someone was nervous Brian Jones would talk? Had him killed? His murder was passed off as an accidental drowning for years. Was there some higher up promulgating that finding?

Conflicting stories between Julian and Fohn about how much time Julian spent with his father.



Fohn at 3:17 says his son(Julian) spends every weekend with him:

Here, at the beginning, Julian talks about how he saw his dad "8, maybe 10 times" between when he left Cynthia and before his death:



TBC...

[edit on 21-4-2010 by someotherguy]

I'm enjoying all of the posts, but I am getting more creeped out, too!

For years, I have listened to David Icke on alternative radio shows and have read some of his writings, but not a whole lot. So, I'm aware of the reptilian angle. Suffice to say, those who most forcefully ridicule Icke seem to be stooges for the Illuminati. For instance, that smarmy English chat show host Terry Wogan really tried to ridicule Icke into a public joke so as to discredit him to the point of fading out of public awareness.

What I think about the hardest-at-work debunkers is that they are always proving that the conspiracy theorists like ourselves and Icke are really on to something true.

I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility that super high technology can make a 'being' appear to be a harmless celebrity the public knows and loves. I wouldn't close my mind to the possibility that high technology (far beyond what we think is the current limit) could make a being appear to 'shape shift'. Sure, the general public think we're cracked or gullible for being so open minded to the possibilities of all of this, but that is what the Illuminati want, as well... a general public so out of the loop that they ridicule (along with Wogan and his ilk) those of us who are exploring every avenue.

Now that I am willing to be open minded to the possibility that all four Original Beatles were replaced, I am now seeing lots of differences in their faces and behaviors forming a sharp contrast between the early years and the later years of the group. I think there are a lot of things said and done by the later period Beatles that the Originals would never have said or done. The Originals wouldn't have given a lousy performance at Candlestick Park. The only surviving tapes of that concert sound like a poor cover band trying and failing to sound as good as the real Beatles.

The famous Shea Stadium concert, in my mind, was most definitely the Originals because you can easily tell they were the best live rock and roll band in the world when they played Shea. The energy was electrifying and I've heard excellent recordings of it (Anthology DVD for example) and they were so good that no other band in the world could come close. They were that good. Coming off a high like that, I can't see them ever giving up playing to a live audience. I just don't buy all the excuses. The Originals thrived on playing to a live audience. That was their thing. That's what they did best (other than genius songwriting). To chuck it all and hide in the studio makes no sense unless they were replaced. Post-1966, sending garbage films to Ed Sullivan in which they're lip syncing was something the Originals would never have done. They came across great on Ed Sullivan when they played live on his stage. It makes no sense that they would have ever shied away from playing again on Ed's show --- unless they were replaced by doubles who could not repeat the sensational act of the Originals and risked being found out by physical appearance or lack of ability.

Compare the Shea Stadium show with the rooftop performance in LET IT BE. It is very hard for me to believe it's the same band. The "we're cool" vibe on the rooftop is totally different from the cool vibe they radiated at Shea Stadium or on Ed Sullivan. The excuse is that they matured, changed with the times, and so forth. So, we're supposed to believe they became a band that wasn't very good at live performances and were TOO SHY to give a proper live concert in 1969 so they hid from the public up on the roof and did a somewhat sloppy impromptu gig? Baloney!

I'm very interested in your concept of "light beings", someotherguy. Please tell more about it. I think the early Beatles had some kind of cosmic destiny because they were indeed a "phenomenon". What would be the definition of light beings? I think that's a cool insight.

Originally posted by switching yard
I'm very interested in your concept of "light beings", someotherguy. Please tell more about it. I think the early Beatles had some kind of cosmic destiny because they were indeed a "phenomenon". What would be the definition of light beings? I think that's a cool insight.

For me, this has all been framed in a larger spiritual context. As a result of PID, I reinterpretated some spiritual concepts. For ex., I started thinking of the "soul" in terms of inter-dimensional beings. What I consider a light-being to be is a "soul" that is of the Light, i.e., one that chooses the forces of Good over Evil. I started thinking that other-dimensional beings are actually mentally projecting into this reality (kind of like in Avatar).

Anyway, IMO, Timothy Leary pretty much had it right when he said, "I declare that The Beatles are mutants. Prototypes of evolutionary agents sent by God, endowed with a mysterious power to create a new human species, a young race of laughing freemen." I don't think they were "mutants," but I do think they are/were powerful light-beings that came to help free humanity from the control. That is what is happening, too. PID is a big trigger for some people to wake up. When you're awake, they can't control you.

Thanks, someotherguy, I agree with you. I think there is a fierce war going on right now on many levels between good and evil. I believe there is a preponderance of secrecy in all "governments" worldwide, especially in the USA gov that insult the basic freedoms of people everywhere. I believe ETs are heavily involved and are seeing to it that this planet is terraformed to their liking in advance of their hybrid race invading and taking over this planet. There could be a war in space right now between good and evil forces.

The odds of four kids in pretty close to the same neighborhood getting together and having the talent and luck to change the world like The Beatles did... well, pretty long odds, in my book. A lot of "pure luck" had to happen or else there was "assistance", shall we say. Evil forces may have counterattacked by snuffing out the Originals and replacing them with doubles. Just saying.

Not to be too alarmist or anything, but this morning when I tried to log on to the Internet, I found that my connection had been disabled internally in my computer and the TCP/IP info deleted. I had to go through the whole configure process to get back online. This has never happened to me before. I live alone and no one ever touches my computer except me.

I have a high-end, industrial strength firewall and two different high-end "pro" full blown realtime virus and spyware protection suites. After reconfiguring, I ran full scans and nothing was detected.

Weird.

Sorry to sound a bit paranoid, but perhaps I am wormed under the radar or was, last night, cyber-attacked under the radar, somehow.

I feel like as we get closer to understanding and revealing some truths about what happened to The Beatles... I don't know, I'm just a bit paranoid. As far as I know, there was no power surge or power outage during the night. My clocks are right on and nothing is flashing at me as usually happens when there has been an outage.

Sorry if this is off topic, just wanted to share that.

Originally posted by switching yard
I'm enjoying all of the posts, but I am getting more creeped out, too!

For years, I have listened to David Icke on alternative radio shows and have read some of his writings, but not a whole lot. So, I'm aware of the reptilian angle. Suffice to say, those who most forcefully ridicule Icke seem to be stooges for the Illuminati. For instance, that smarmy English chat show host Terry Wogan really tried to ridicule Icke into a public joke so as to discredit him to the point of fading out of public awareness.

What I think about the hardest-at-work debunkers is that they are always proving that the conspiracy theorists like ourselves and Icke are really on to something true...

Hi Switching Yard,


I posted that link, not so much to suggest a Reptilian nature of the British Royal Family, but to illustrate that they are known, or believed, to be involved in satanic ritual cult practices. That this is due to having a distinct genetic heritage is possible, because who other than they is more attached to this distinction, which is their main claim to power and rule over their property, the population of the Commonwealth?


Regarding such creatures, you are actually more open minded that I am. I really was convinced, pretty much beyond discussion, that all that reptilian nonsense was for the birds. Only the goofiest and least rational gullible fools could fall for such crock. Plus I really didn't find David Icke convincing when he spoke of it, something made me think back to the several weeks of mandatory MI-5 training he got upon joining the BBC.


I was certain it was a huge grotesque fabrication meant to either rot our minds or make us reject other valid points by associating them with nonsense. After all, Hitler did say that the lie has to be big enough and repeated often enough to be believed. And what could be a bigger lie than saying there are gruesome reptoids wandering the Earth?


Well, that was before something happened to me. Figure it for what you like, but is definitely wasn't a normal experience, although it happened at the end of a most normal day. Usually I notice shifty characters, without further ado, or from time to time I spot a pretty girl from the corner of the eye. But as I had absolutely NO fascination with Sci-Fi as well as nothing but spite for the rept theories circulating on the web, nothing was to predispose me to such an event. Here's what shook my image of the world we live in:


Nocturnal urban sighting


I encourage others here to NOT believe this account, simply because I wouldn't have believed it myself, had I not lived it in the flesh. Even after that, it was so disconcerting that it took me over a year before I told a friend even though he'd be interested, running an 'Alien website'. I waited longer yet before telling my own brother. Now it is out, people can take it or reject it as they deem fit. No problem either way. It may discredit anything else I say or believe in, but that's the breaks.


I owed my fellow ATSers to share this experience, as it might help to better understand what is going on behind the scenes among the ranks of the powerful who hide so much and systematically fabricate our false reality. Due to this experience I must now consider this as a fundamental parameter of any analyses which might be impacted by their existence. Nonetheless, I am still not convinced that what I saw wasn't a bio-engineered "chimera" from some government lab, although those who discuss such beings say that they are not of the same origin.


I usually take a head on approach and lock horns with anything, but THIS is too nasty even for someone used to distasteful experiences. It was therefore for this reason that I posted that link to the British Royal Family having a very special bloodline, which may not be all its cracked up to be. While there is, at this date, no direct scientific evidence of them being "less human" than the rest of us, it might help explain why the power Elite Illuminati and Royal Bloodlines have been known to be key players in satanist cult and associated horrendous acts from pedophilia to infanticide. For there is nothing human about their odious social gatherings.


Beyond this speculation, and back to the abduction / death / replacement of James Paul McCartney, I think that the main cause of their assassination was the one Someotherguy expresses well: The original Beatles were not of a similar essence as their replacements. They were candid, thoughtful, considerate, and as such were sores in the side of the loathsome Illuminati string pullers who exploited them professionally and probably wanted to use them for other purposes such as are proper to Illuminati cultists.


It seems that The Beatles' resistance was in defiance of the highest authorities of the land - and possibly the most ruthless people in the world. Could they have been reassured by their fame and status in public opinion, to believe that they were not expendable? The final act was probably upon invitation to a 'party' which turned out to be something altogether different than a swinging 60's free-love fest. It is likely, from their joint stand against such depravity in the Butcher's album, that they were all equally shocked and had to denounce to the public what went down.


Paul's murder might have been to shut him up, as he was maybe the most outspoken about it, as well as to intimidate the other three into silence. They had only a brief reprieve, however, and were likely also killed and replaced shortly thereafter. But since their doubles were a good bit more convincing that Paul's - noted in the doppelgangers forum as maybe the worst impostor yet - they evaded public scrutiny and disclosure more easily. But once you get the full impact of Paul's assassination, and discover the numerous differences between him and Faul, it soon becomes apparent that although less conspicuously the other three were also replaced.


There has been a campaign of murders and of murder/replacements in the music and show business industries. This is said by some to have been perpetrated by the CIA and Mossad in Hollywood, and by MI-5 in the UK. The Mafia may also have a role in other European countries. So the culprits are in good company, working for an Illuminati agenda of brainwashing the population through an engineered cult of satanic mind controlled puppet celebrities with dumbed down artistically empty scripting.


Paul Is Dead is the Tip of the Iceberg. It is our duty to ensure that he and his mates didn't die for nothing. Their deaths must be avenged by bringing to justice the surviving culprits, and smashing the mechanism which ended their lives horribly and brought the world to mourn their loss.


While we are advancing in great strides establishing Paul's death and the likely motives for his murder and replacement, it is time to delve further into the exact date and circumstances of the assassination and replacement of John, Ringo and George. I am not so unsure that Ringo wasn't taken out even before Paul as in the movie Help he had shrunk several sizes. John does not seem to be the same man in Sgt Pepper, changed from a forward thinking chip off the old block into a dark, lurking manipulative Machiavellian character. George is one I've never been able to get a feel of, others here can do more to discern any changes which took place and situate them within a time frame.


Thanks for pursuing your efforts. Instead of dedicating a new thread to this task, we can continue exploring their deaths and replacements here, alternatively posting about one or the other, as their deaths are all connected, with the same culprits and the same motives for killing and replacing them.


This thread could thus be renamed:


Motivations for the Murder of The Beatles

Originally posted by switching yard
Thanks, someotherguy, I agree with you. I think there is a fierce war going on right now on many levels between good and evil. I believe there is a preponderance of secrecy in all "governments" worldwide, especially in the USA gov that insult the basic freedoms of people everywhere. I believe ETs are heavily involved and are seeing to it that this planet is terraformed to their liking in advance of their hybrid race invading and taking over this planet. There could be a war in space right now between good and evil forces.

The odds of four kids in pretty close to the same neighborhood getting together and having the talent and luck to change the world like The Beatles did... well, pretty long odds, in my book. A lot of "pure luck" had to happen or else there was "assistance", shall we say. Evil forces may have counterattacked by snuffing out the Originals and replacing them with doubles. Just saying.

Yes, I believe there is a spiritual war being waged between Good & Evil, too. I also think the dark entities aka "demons" are "priming" this world for them to inhabit. I don't necessarily understand what is going on, but I think they are trying to "darken it up." The light-beings are counter-acting that effort. Of course, killing the body doesn't kill the soul, but it seems the dark ones bought themselves some time...

Not to be too alarmist or anything, but this morning when I tried to log on to the Internet, I found that my connection had been disabled internally in my computer and the TCP/IP info deleted. I had to go through the whole configure process to get back online. This has never happened to me before. I live alone and no one ever touches my computer except me.

I am sorry to hear that you may have been a victim of a cyber-attack. I think we all know that there are risks involved when you expose information certain people would rather keep hidden. I guess it just comes down to whether one has a warrior spirit or not. I know "they" know who I am, but I won't be intimidated into silence. If you're not afraid of them, they have no control over you.

Originally posted by someotherguy
For me, this has all been framed in a larger spiritual context. As a result of PID, I reinterpreted some spiritual concepts. For ex., I started thinking of the "soul" in terms of inter-dimensional beings. What I consider a light-being to be is a "soul" that is of the Light, i.e., one that chooses the forces of Good over Evil. I started thinking that other-dimensional beings are actually mentally projecting into this reality (kind of like in Avatar).

Hi Someotherguy,


I don't think you're going to get much of an argument there from any of the fans of the original Beatles. They were definitely bringing some genuine cheer, taking life taken from the good side. This is something which has all but vanished from today's civilization in agony. They had a lot of good in them, and one senses the inverse in their namesake successors - someone good couldn't partake is the subterfuge of a criminal cover up.

Originally posted by someotherguy
Anyway, IMO, Timothy Leary pretty much had it right when he said, "I declare that The Beatles are mutants. Prototypes of evolutionary agents sent by God, endowed with a mysterious power to create a new human species, a young race of laughing freemen." I don't think they were "mutants," but I do think they are/were powerful light-beings that came to help free humanity from the control. That is what is happening, too. PID is a big trigger for some people to wake up. When you're awake, they can't control you.

Timothy Leary was actually a dubious character with questionable motives for his actions. Here is an interesting quote referring to him as having a suitable Tavistock profile:


"The coup took place from within with the seemingly willing cooperation of influential leaders, who while they weren’t “in” on the plot, certainly popularized and fostered it. And the High Priest at the top of the list, Harvard psychology professor Timothy Leary, certainly fit the old Tavistock mold. Early in his career he wrote an exemplary psychological test that was used for profiling prisoners, among other applications."


Mind Control, Psychedelics and Cold War Culture


Also, we learn that R.D. Laing, a key member of Tavistock at the time of The Beatles' assassination was an early '___' proponent for social control and knew Timothy Leary personally:


"Seven years after Cartwright's article appeared, prominent psychiatrist R.D. Laing was appointed senior registrar at the Tavistock Clinic in 1956, three years after he left the British Army Psychiatric Unit. He began experimenting with '___' in 1960, and then in 1962 when he became a family therapist at the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, he also met Gregory Bateson while visiting the U.S. Bateson had been with the Office of Strategic Services (forerunner of the CIA), and then led the MK-Ultra hallucinogen ('___') project. Bateson's and Margaret Mead's daughter, Mary Catherine Bateson, along with New Ager Jean Houston, would later help Hilary Clinton write IT TAKES A VILLAGE. IN 1964 Laing met '___' proponent Timothy Leary in New York and also authored "Transcendental Experience in Relation and Psychosis" (THE PSYCHEDELIC REVIEW, Vol. 1, No. 3, 1964). Three years later Laing participated in the July 15-30 1967 Dialectics of Liberation Congress."


Tavistock by Dennis L. Cuddy, Ph.D


The above references are not to discredit his opinion, but to afford a framework to better understand his meaning. When he says The Beatles are 'mutants', 'prototypes', 'evolutionary agents', this sounds like he views them as specimens designed for a utilitarian purpose. It does not convey the respect due human beings, and one can suspect that he refers to them clinically more than philosophically.


When he says "sent by God, endowed with a mysterious power to create a new human species, a young race of laughing freemen" he blends quite a few references. First they are Messianic, sent by God himself. Next the have the mystical power to create a new humanity. They are intended, according to Leary, to create a young race of laughing freemen. That last statement is the most ambiguous. For my part, I wouldn't want to be a laughing freeman. It shows a dedication to being amused, self-indulgent and enjoying oneself as a form of freedom. How free are they really if they need to be created by envoys of God with mysterious power ? Free to be created, and to be what they were created to be. As defined by Mr. Leary.


The Beatles were not mutants but were truly representative of a cultural yearning, a desire for the renewal of the ballad and its merging with American musical influences. It brought together poetry and harmony with forward looking optimism which was characteristic of the second decade of the post-war era. There were still many music teachers from the pre-war times who had strong instrumental and composition backgrounds. There were also dedicated teachers of literature and poetry even in second rank schools where culture was revered as it was less easily arrived at.


This takes nothing from their ability to create and resonate with others through music and song, nor from their unique personalities and winning charm. Precious little of these characteristics can be found in The Featles. Where did the charm go? The charm that MADE The Beatles.

Leary actually admitted to being a CIA asset.

MK-ULTRA & the '60's "counter-culture"

However, I do think he was basically right that the Beatles were "agents of God" (good, of the Light) who came to help set people free. "Laughing freemen" to me sounds like happy free people as opposed to what we have now, people living quiet lives of desperation. Leary may have had a clue about the larger spiritual picture, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he was behind it. In fact, I would say that he worked directly against it w/ his support of '___'. But again, it doesn't necessarily mean he consciously knew he was working to enslave people by promoting a mind control drug. He may have thought he was doing the right thing in some twisted way. Who knows for sure?

I just got a very insightful comment on the Plastic Macca blog from someone commenting on the Heather Mills post:

I have the feeling ( this is the first time that i read your blog, and saw her interviews, i knew she was being harassed and abused in the tabloids only from their cover in the supermarkets, and i am not a tabloids reader and i dont live in uk and i was never a beatles fan, like ok their music is nice but never understood the hype and the way they were dressed similarly, it seemed so artificial, maybe now i should listen and read their lyrics)anyway, i saw the two youtubes video just now, and i was shocked enormously, i cried and i sensed fear, the same fear we feel during war and sort of tragedies, there is something beyond the marketing plagiarism/paul/faul, i dont know how to describe it ,but this is a woman who has been deeply scarred and yet she is still coherent and resilient, she is very intelligent, like you see it concretely she is fighting for survival and gathering data and facts, she know a truth which doesn't only concern Paul/Faul or the beatles ( i dont know her and i am going to read more after i post this comment but i wanted to react at once), i imagine, correct me if i am wrong, that she not only had to face the fact that the man she married is not who she thought he was, that he is pretending to be someone else, but that this man has also many ''doubles'' and that she lived with these doubles, intimately, without knowing, for a certain period of time, sometimes feeling something is odd but brushing it off, imagine the paranoia and the guilt, and then something happened which really shattered everything, her whole reality and she knew a very dark dark truth, sort of like the ''truths'' or dark secrets that the shining by stanley kubrick unravels in his movie when we carefully study it.
I have no idea if my comment is appropriate or if it's too long, i hope you will read it.Again the only thing i knew about her she was campaigning for the landmines and she was married to paul mc cartney and the divorce stories were splattered effusively on the tabloids all around the world.but i am going to read further your blog.i sense this beatle conspiracy doesnt concern only the beatles or the music industry and their fans, because a lot of dark dark stuff are connected, i think this is just one of the stuff that are covertly happeneing and we are oblivious or indifferent and whenever a victim tries to cry out they shut it down. thank you.

It's interesting how some people intuitively know that this Beatles conspiracy is just the tip of the iceberg & involves a lot of dark stuff.

The most telling thing Heather said (and I'm paraphrasing now) was something like "the world can't handle the truth" or "people couldn't handle it", anyway, that statement really raised my eyebrows. There is nothing at all that I can think of that she could be referring to except for a deep, dark secret. She said she did not mean infidelity. She hinted that Sir had betrayed her in some way, but it was not infidelity.

Heather Mills, ultimately, was bought off. Plain as day. I wonder if 'certain parties' confronted her and explained to her that any attempt to out the truth would result in failure and ridicule. I think TPTB have plans for presenting 'proof' that Sir is Paul McCartney if it ever comes to that. I think they have all sorts of fake 'evidence' to counter anything anyone might challenge with. I think they may have said to her something like, in so many words, 'play your cards as we want and you will be a very wealthy woman for the rest of your natural life' and if not, something like the fate of Princess Di might happen. So, I think Mills was paid off. Hush money. Even the press were told that part of the divorce agreement was a non-disclosure pact.

Now I don't know what to think of this theory that Heather may have been intimate with more than one Sir double. That's a little far fetched for me. Wouldn't a woman know instantly if she were intimate with a look-alike or double? My feeling is that she just plain found out that he is not who he purports to be in the media. She could have also found out that people have been murdered over this knowledge for decades. I would love to know what kind of 'evidence' she has stashed away with a friend and if all her friends have been secretly investigated or had their homes and safe deposit boxes secretly searched.

We do know that the Queen of England has put her stamp of approval on Sir by knighting him and should know full well that she knighted an impostor, which means that the UK government must do everything in its power to enforce the ruse (no problem there, because they seem to have done just that since late 1966). One would imagine that no hard evidence exists that would out the charade.

What one could imagine, however, is that Heather Mills may have secretly captured and preserved fingerprints and DNA of Sir. If these samples were properly preserved, one could challenge the identity of Sir... if and only if... true fingerprints and true DNA still exist today from Original Paul for comparison. Any of that kind of evidence from Original Paul could have been found and tampered with or replaced with fake bona fides by now. This is why, to me, it is vitally important to know if the Tokyo Police do, in fact, have Original Paul fingerprints on file and if it's true that they held Sir in detention over the problem of his prints not matching what they had on file. As I've said before, why would they jail him for that many days for a straightforward pot bust? If it was just a large bag of weed in his suitcase, seems to me they would have immediately expelled Sir and his entourage from the country on the next plane out and explained to the public that Sir and his people had violated Japanese law by bringing cannabis in and that's why they've been expelled. End of story. But no, they held him in jail for questioning for 9 days. I think they were trying to find out who he really was and what was up with that.

Sorry, I know we're rehashing old discussion points here, so next post I'll try for something new.

About original Paul's DNA.

Am I correct that the child, Bettina (?) in Germany was real Paul's child?

If so her DNA could be compared to that of Paul / Faul's child with Heather Mills. I think if they had the same biological father it would show up in a test.

Or a comparison with Paul/Faul's children with Linda would give a result, too.

Originally posted by berenike
About original Paul's DNA.

Am I correct that the child, Bettina (?) in Germany was real Paul's child?

If so her DNA could be compared to that of Paul / Faul's child with Heather Mills. I think if they had the same biological father it would show up in a test.

Or a comparison with Paul/Faul's children with Linda would give a result, too.

Bettina could definitely be Paul's daughter, but Faul sent a stand-in to give blood for the paternity test back in 1983 (or Faul WAS the stand-in). So, it wasn't established that Bettina was Paul's daughter. Courts would probably say it was irrelevant if her blood did or didn't match Faul's or Faul's children's blood.

The idea has been floated that Faul could be sued for fraud. Faul might have all sorts of fake evidence that he is the real Paul. Of course, he is "officially." The feasibility of suit is still to be determined. Meanwhile, the effort to expose the impostor continues in the court of public opinion - on the Internet, mainly.

Another interesting comment from the same Anonymous poster as above:

Anyway, reading this article, makes me wonder about david icke forum....What is funny is that my firefox crashed like several times in only one hour since i've been reading all these beatles thread, ha! unbelievable.it's like this info is even more sensitive than the middle east/political stuff, and other human rights/political themes i usually read and deal with...

It makes me think of what Switching Yard said about his computer...



[edit on 24-4-2010 by someotherguy]

Why sponsor a Paul McCartney Photoshop Pictures Contest? Why?

Are there Photoshop contests for other CIAlebrities I'm not aware of? Is this part of the conditioning to see the impostor as the real deal? Stick a picture of old Faul in w/ the young Beatles & he's suddenly one of the lads? In truth, the guy sticks out like a sore thumb.

One of these kids does not belong!

Originally posted by someotherguy

Another interesting comment from the same Anonymous poster as above:

Anyway, reading this article, makes me wonder about david icke forum....What is funny is that my firefox crashed like several times in only one hour since i've been reading all these beatles thread, ha! unbelievable.it's like this info is even more sensitive than the middle east/political stuff, and other human rights/political themes i usually read and deal with...

It makes me think of what Switching Yard said about his computer...



[edit on 24-4-2010 by someotherguy]

Well, curiously (and it may be just coincidence) my Firefox crashed this morning and I had been 'scouring' PID sites last night! 0.o

[edit on 24-4-2010 by aorAki]

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by someotherguy

Another interesting comment from the same Anonymous poster as above:

Anyway, reading this article, makes me wonder about david icke forum....What is funny is that my firefox crashed like several times in only one hour since i've been reading all these beatles thread, ha! unbelievable.it's like this info is even more sensitive than the middle east/political stuff, and other human rights/political themes i usually read and deal with...

It makes me think of what Switching Yard said about his computer...

Well, curiously (and it may be just coincidence) my Firefox crashed this morning and I had been 'scouring' PID sites last night! 0.o

Hi aorAki,

This recent surge in nuisancesome computer glitches on PID machines is possibly due to a change in strategy by PIAers. With fellow PIDers at David Icke we pretty much short circuited their lame attacks and they all suddenly vanished from the thread after haunting it hellishly since the beginning.

But apparently they haven't given up. One thing was outing them as MI-5 Cointelpro operatives. This was repeatedly denied until it eventually turned out to produce that unexpected result. Granted, some of them got into trouble for messing up their disinfo operation - which was condemned in advance due to the holes in the story and the difficult morphological fit of Faul.

I can only recommend Kaspersky Internet Security which has reduced some of my attacks - although they can still manage to access my mouse and window management. Now I'm sometimes warned by the software they are trying to take over the keyboard, and at other times I have to re-write a long post because somehow it gets erased just as I'm about to click "reply". Oh, and stay away from Windows Vista, which Christopher Story says stands for Virtual Instant Surveillance Tactical Application.

Windows 7 Pro and Kaspersky at least stopped most of the shutdowns. Let me know if you guys have any better software to protect from hacking. In any case, it is important to back up your data onto a DISCONNECTED external hard drive and to also sometimes back up important thread info, as mods can always backtrack and remove anything they wish invoking any number of pretexts. Of course that happens more at Icke than at ATS.

Good luck with the computers.

GS

Thanks for the computer advice, Getsmart. Your recent posts have been very much appreciated, as well.

What I meant by the reptilian shape-shifting thing is that this might be possible via exotic, very advanced technology. I'm one who believes that what people say is "impossible" or a "miracle" could indeed appear to be real if the technology used to achieve some kind of shocking spectacle is advanced enough. The so called "miracles" in the Bible could have been done with advanced technology. Imagine being taken to another planet on board a UFO and when you get there, you see miracles happening all around you. Well, it could all just be advanced technology that we here on Earth (in the public) don't understand yet. It wasn't that long ago when everyone rode a horse and read by lamplight or candlelight. So, anyway, this Icke business of the royals shape-shifting into reptilian forms and back again to human form. As long as it can be explained in terms of advanced technology, I have no problem believing the eyewitness accounts.

The photoshops of "Paul" reminded me of an acquaintance I made a year or so ago. Somehow we had gotten onto the topic of The Beatles and without any prompting by me, she blurted out "That Paul McCartney hasn't aged well at all. He doesn't look anything like the young Paul we all remember!" I simply agreed and didn't add any comments like "Well, the real one's dead, you know!" because at that time, I was going along like everyone else believing there had been no murder and replacement. I was aware of the rumors back in 1970-71. But I must admit that when LIFE magazine said he's still alive and well so don't worry, folks! I believed them. The funny thing about it was that they based their dismissal of the rumors on going to Scotland and looking up Sir Paul in the flesh. Of course, that's a stupid way to prove anything. Oh yeah, let's ask the impostor if he's alive or dead. But everyone fell for it! Case closed... until the whole thing came back up again when the Internet allowed the interchange of ideas globally and instantly. Those nefarious protectors of the charade probably hated the advent of the Internet because they had this case closed tight before just recently.

LIFE magazine has since been reckoned by the JFK assassination conspiracy theorists to have played a major role in covering up and glossing over the Who/What/Why of the JFK hit. Here are the major print periodical outlets for propaganda in the USA since WWII (and probably before that) LIFE, LOOK, TIME, NEWSWEEK, U.S. NEWS & WORLD REPORT, and so forth, and especially that CIA rag Sunday paper supplement PARADE. Walter Scott's Intelligence Report (Orwellian speak for today's propaganda, listen up).

I think it would be interesting to put together a list of deaths, divorces, and breakups surrounding the post-1966 Beatles along with 'official story' cause and PID suspected cause. That would be an interesting list. Furthermore, I wish someotherguy or faulconandsnowjob would write a book on this controversy. Surely, there is enough material. Finding a publisher would be terribly difficult, but maybe Steamshovel Press or Feral House? I would also love to see iamaphoney produce a full length documentary with narration to be available on the web. The short videos are good, but I would like the whole thing laid out in a 2-hour feature doc with the case made in narration.



[edit on 24-4-2010 by switching yard]

Originally posted by switching yard
I think it would be interesting to put together a list of deaths, divorces, and breakups surrounding the post-1966 Beatles along with 'official story' cause and PID suspected cause. That would be an interesting list. Furthermore, I wish someotherguy or faulconandsnowjob would write a book on this controversy. Surely, there is enough material. Finding a publisher would be terribly difficult, but maybe Steamshovel Press or Feral House? I would also love to see iamaphoney produce a full length documentary with narration to be available on the web. The short videos are good, but I would like the whole thing laid out in a 2-hour feature doc with the case made in narration.

That's a good idea about the deaths, divorces, & breakups.

If such a book were to come into existence, the proceeds could go towards a legal fund to sue Sir Faul for fraud. Self-publishing takes the control out of the hands of the publishing houses. It's easy & affordable nowadays. So, no roadblock there :-)

That would be awesome if IAAP would do that. I think he's an insider, though. He tells you but doesn't tell you at the same time. You know what I mean?

Yeah, a bit dodgy, I would say.

Self-publishing... go for it. There's a lot of material archived here on ATS.