Life is just an Illusion.

Life is just an Illusion


This isn't a new theory, by any means

My grandfather, an undertaker, mused that 'life' may be just the imaginings of a 'bug', flying through space. He was wont to theorise thus, back in the 1920s and probably earlier and later than that

reply to post by JacobNH

Therefor i am creating my Matrix?

No, your living in the current matrix. But it is possible to live outside of the matrix, if you understand the rules. Theoretically you could create your own matrix, but it would require a very good understanding and hard work on your part.

Life is very real, its just how we perceive it that's the illusion.

[edit on 15-9-2009 by Maj._Skillz]

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


Will do man.

On the concept of De Ja Vu, i'm gonna make a new thread on it.
I've recently found myself to be able to induce De Ja Vu's at will. Sounds abit strange, i'll explain more in the thread. Probably make it later tonight.

reply to post by St Vaast


It's a theory that's being going on for thousands of years.

I am new in this life, thus having to get my head around it. I'm not claiming to have been the one to "create" this theory, i'm just the one trying to understand something the ancients have known for alot longer than we can imagine.

reply to post by 12.21.12


Then how do i do this.
I'm just as powerful as every other human.

reply to post by Maj._Skillz


I perceive the illusion as an illusion. Therefore my perception is the illusion, yes?

Namaste.

Originally posted by JacobNH

I used to think i understood that statement.

Our physical plane is very well an illusion.

It's sort of irrelevant to differentiate.

It is not real.

That's where everything falls apart. What is real? There best I have been able to come up with is that real is something relative and stubborn in relation to another thing.

You see, sound is just a vibration until it is interpretated (sp?) by the brain. Objects are just light until they are interpretated by the brain.

Now you've suggested the physical plane is not an illusion and that really the interpretation by our senses is not its true nature but rather a limited analogue of it represented by qualia. However, science has assisted in making that understanding more accessible.

That makes sense. The world is an illusion, that is interpretated by the brain. But what does that make the brain?

The brain itself really is a machine, just like a washer and dryer set. Either can be simulated.

The brain turns vibrations and light into something more "digestable" that creates the reality we live in.

The sense organs are transducers with well-defined relationships between the stimulus and the electrical impulses they produce for the brain's consumption and interpretive processing.

But what is the brain then?

Squishy and delicious if you're a zombie.

I used to think the brain did nothing, it was just the physical representation for the Soul, and that everything the brain did, was just the Soul.

It does something. Hack at it and the material entity is altered. There's no doubt about that.

After questioning it more and more, the more i can't get my head around it.

Don't bother. It's doesn't fit there. The data bus is narrow and slowly clocked.

Someone, explain to me how the world is an illusion.

Explain the Matrix to me.

In a video game, the entities built from data and logical operations are real to one another but much more dream like in relation to the larger reality outside the gaming hardware. Yet, their actions and operation subtly alter that world by way of the configuation of hardware circuits (logic gates, power supplies, electrical currents, brain) and tranducers (screen, speakers, eyes, ears). These dream-like entities can produce large effects for good or ill in the strata above them if they get enough attention.

reply to post by EnlightenUp


Reality is the thing i am questioning.

In this sense, i am edging towards the general modern day belief that anything not physical isn't real.
So what i'm saying is that this world is physical, but infact the physical world is all representations of the "real" world which isn't physical.
These representations are the illusion.

Im suggesting the brain interpretations the physical reality around is, making it seam real.
I'm asking there, that if the brain creates our surrounds, then what creates our brain.

It does something. Hack at it and the material entity is altered. There's no doubt about that.

Ah, you see, you're refering to what it does in a physical sense. What i am saying is that it does have a physical effect on our bodys, obviously, but the way you can "think" with it, anaylise with it, that is the real brain activity, inwhich the brain isn't the thing doing so, that is the soul.

Thanks for your input.

Oh, and if you're feeling it too, i'm going to apologize for the feel of "one up man ship" that i might be giving off right now.

Namaste.

reply to post by JacobNH

Then how do i do this.
I'm just as powerful as every other human.

To live outside of the matrix. You must understand that the matrix itself is a program engineered to look and feel like reality, however the matrix itself is only a blueprint, you are only bound by the rules you allow yourself to believe. Therefore if you can set a goal and implement it, write it down, draw it, bring it to life.

You must understand that the blueprint is a storyboard that can be modified. The blue prints are more important because they outline specific goals. In order for a major change to happen here on earth, there must be a wirlpool of conciouscness. However you alone can only create a ripple. Changes occur when there is a global conscious shift or that which has a vast majority or an area of consensus.

The world is a stage and their are groups, mostly religious groups that as individuals of these groups play very small but essential parts in bringing events to play out on the global stage. These events are meant to draw an emotional response, often times a tragic response, but there are also responses that can be drawn to comedy or romance. Therefor when you react to a certain event that happens here on earth. Those who are the vast majority who respond in a certain manner, manifest reality. So for instance on 9/11 the vast majority was upset and wanted justice, therefor this allowed for a major shift in consciouscness that for many was based on negativity, but for some positively. It is all how you percieve things. That is what determines what happens next.

The matrix itself is a blueprint, therefor there is no party that has absolute control over it. It is a consciescness of it's own. A collection of thoughts.

The matrix can be reprogrammed I imagine, but to reprogram it you would need to account for mathematically a formula that is sustainable for life.

reply to post by LiveForever8


Hey Liveforever,
I finished reading that book maybe 3-4 months ago. I believe much of what Talbot hypothesizes (and the scientists he cites) to be true.
My question is, how do you take this knowledge from an intellectual to a day to day reality.
Any ideas?

Ive always likened all that is to a mirror. The world is a reflection. My state of being is my world. But if i had to know what I was it would be everything I am not.. Am and am going to be.



Or a jelly doughnut.. Not sure which yet.

reply to post by theyreadmymind


"Are you your foot? No you're not your foot. Are you your hand? No you're not your hand. You're not even your brain. Technically 'you' and 'me' are just a concept, an illusion created by the mechanical animal struggling to understand its own circuitry. Religiously speaking you are a soul but let's forget about that for a moment because we don't see our souls either. Nobody knows where the soul is. If you cut off your hand, and you have a soul you will not lose your soul, right? So what are you? Where do you exist? You are like a lap and you know you have a lap when you're sitting down but when you stand up it's gone. You are a concept created by the machine to understand its own programming.

That's my take."

That's a pretty good take on things. The Bonn and I believe some of the Buddhists sects use a mantra where they start out thinking of themselves as they normally perceive themselves. Then they start asking questions:
"Am I still me if I lose my left pinky?"
"Am I still me if I lose my hair?"
"Am I still me if I lose my arm?"
"Am I still me if I lose my job?"

Basically they strip away their entire physical being and whatever emotional and intellectual connections they have with themselves (we all have them. many of us create connections with our pain and, thus, the pain becomes part of our personality and ego) until there is nothing left of "them". But obviously they are still there in some form.

Originally posted by JacobNH
reply to post by EnlightenUp

 

Reality is the thing i am questioning.

You to huh? What a fortunate coincidence I showed up here. The sign outside said "palm reading" but upon asking to use the restroom, much more interesting activites were revealed.

In this sense, i am edging towards the general modern day belief that anything not physical isn't real.

Yeah, well. They have major issues, especially themselves as contrary evidence.

So what i'm saying is that this world is physical, but infact the physical world is all representations of the "real" world which isn't physical.

What's physical?

These representations are the illusion.

Bunk. Illusions point to their own nature and are inseparable from the nature of their source.

Im suggesting the brain interpretations the physical reality around is, making it seam real.
I'm asking there, that if the brain creates our surrounds, then what creates our brain.

It doesn't create the surrounds. There doesn't even have to be surrounds nor does there have to be a brain in some real, substanial sense of it in itself. The brain and all surrounds can be a representation created by something greater. Ah, contradiction? Not quite. What's a similated brain in simulated surrounds? Is it a brain in surrounds or not? Yes and no.

It does something. Hack at it and the material entity is altered. There's no doubt about that.

Ah, you see, you're refering to what it does in a physical sense. What i am saying is that it does have a physical effect on our bodys, obviously, but the way you can "think" with it, anaylise with it, that is the real brain activity, inwhich the brain isn't the thing doing so, that is the soul.

Yes, I am referring to what it does in the physical sense since it is part of the body just like the liver, pacreas, kidneys, etc.

The soul, the soul. Naked, it really is without that tool called the brain to make the body do things and the brain do things. The brain restricts the infinite potential of the soul enough so experience can be manifest to it. The brain interface is an intricate network of sould blinders arranged as information processing units.

Much like an LCD display, there is an undifferentiated surface of "pure" white light behind it (really it is all potential images in one, all things combined). To make a meaningful image, the pixels selectively filter that light.

Oh, and if you're feeling it too, i'm going to apologize for the feel of "one up man ship" that i might be giving off right now.

Namaste.

No, I wasn't feeling that. I was feeling misunderstood and/or not fully realized.