Terrorism Story Developing in NYC

Anyone remember this investigation? This guy is a convert.

Update: This is the house in suburban Patchogue, NY where Bryant Neal Vinas grew up. Photo courtesy of the NY Post.

Update: The US Attorney's Office in Brooklyn now confirms American Bryant Vinasin January pleaded guilty to all 3 counts against him.

They are conspiracy to Murder US Nationals, Providing Material Support to a Foreign Terrorist Organization, and Receiving Military Type Training from a Foreign Terrorist Organizations.

Vinas was indicted in November but his identity and all court proceedings were kept secret as a matter of national security. The feds say he was providing information about other terror cases. Vinas faces a maximum sentence of life in prison. No sentencing date is set yet.

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Perhaps info gleaned from this arrest has led to the recent developments. Many pundits have suggested that Obama would need an emergency or a crisis to lift his poll numbers and to distract the nation from our economic problems.

Furthermore, fiscal year 2009 ends 9/30 and many predict that it won't be pretty. Is this the distraction that is needed to keep our minds off of the horrible numbers that are about to come? Or is it what others have suggested as a budget justification?

On the other hand, our enemies have had 8 years to coordinate another attack on US soil with operatives who have been living in the US for decades.

Either way, tensions are high and Obama needs to give himself a boost.

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I think he means.. The pentagon was the boat down the Potomac, The Toronto one was the bomb that was defused earlier and the NYC one was the removal of the "black document box" from the scene of the raids.

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Was the Toronto one even stated as being an explosive device?

The last I heard they had "suspected" it was an explosive device, but they hadn't asserted that it was.

I think people are assuming too much. Just as a bag found alone on a station platform is a "suspicious package" the Toronto case could just as easily be a misunderstanding.

And as said, the other case was a training exercise misreported by the press. They heard "bang bang" over a radio and took that to mean "shots fired".
How much more of that was the press jumping to conclusions and misreporting the facts for the dramatic?

Originally posted by jibeho

On the other hand, our enemies have had 8 years to coordinate another attack on US soil with operatives who have been living in the US for decades.

It is Islamic custom to give the opponent 10 years to prepare for all out battle. 911 was The Awakening, by their own words.
Rounding these guys up before the big event would seem likely.

Understand that Islamic principle that if an Islamic land is attacked, jihad becomes fard ayn, or incumbent upon every individual believer to join or to aid in any way he can. Fard ayn will come in the form of other muslims pitching in when times get tough to further damage the US. Incidents like train derailments, tanker truck explosions especially under overpasses, wildfires, with women playing a key role are likely.

This morning on FOX there was a report by an analyst. Anyone catch it?

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Orange and red alert come up rather quickly. Before you roll your eyes make sure you are prepared for the worst. When it happens you might be caught with your pants down.
The talk of drama and fearmongering are for those who need defense mechanisms because reality is way too hard to understand. Unfortunately there is a theology that encourages it's followers to kill non-muslims. It would be a goo idea to educate a little in preparation.
www.thereligionofpeace.com
www.mapsofwar.com
www.jihadwatch.com
www.centerforstrategicanalysis.org
Take a look at what's out there. It's scary but it's real.

Ok, I'm confused.

Where is there any mention of the religious beliefs of those who's homes have been searched?
Where is there any description of the person who is reported to be being monitored?

Do you see what I'm getting at here?

You're all brainwashed!
You hear "terrorist" and you immediately attach it to "Muslim".
For all you know these homes being raided are the homes of Christian fundamentalists, Militia members, radical Neo-Nazi's, unstable Scientologist's, a cult group...

And I'll bet not one of you realised what you were assuming until I just pointed it out.

And FYI, a very small minority of followers of the Islamic faith are fundamentalists. Even fewer are living in democratic nations. And, there are extremists in every faith, and extremists of no faith.
Stop following the racist propaganda and think for yourself with a logical mind.

And they say the motto here is "Deny Ignorance",

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Heh.
To think that a First Responder might risk their live to save a person in denial from Islamic terrorism. Those are the ones we leave behind to smoulder. Yeah, the old small minority myth, that's a good one. Good luck to you.

911 came without warning. Now there is a warning. You won't be able to pretend you didn't know Katrina was coming this time. Don't expect welfare.

Jafar the Pilot is the next Atta. Recent buzz about him.


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Originally posted by detachedindividual
Ok, I'm confused.

Where is there any mention of the religious beliefs of those who's homes have been searched?
Where is there any description of the person who is reported to be being monitored?

Here it is:

The sting operation sought to disrupt the plans of an Al-Qaeda terror suspect whose travels had been tracked by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), ABC reported, citing an official briefed on the matter.

Source: AFP

Authorities searched at least two apartments including one shared by five Afghan men, taking some of them in for questioning, said one man who was questioned.

The New York Times, citing an unnamed senior law enforcement official, said authorities had uncovered a small group of people who espoused a militant ideology aligned with al Qaeda.

Source: Reuters

Need more? I think you jumped to conclusions a bit fast there

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Where is there any description of the person who is reported to be being monitored?

The description was on page 2, I think, it is in one of the first couple of links!! He is described as Middle Eastern, living in the Midwest, but having driven to New York and visited these apartments in Queens, and now suspected to be back on his way to the Midwest!

We don't make these assumptions so easily as you might think! Plus, even if we did make such an assumption, it is based on experience and statistics. We don't see a lot of Irish IRA terrorists, or African Tribesmen, or even Neo-Nazi's attacking us or making crazy videos about destroying the "West"! So, it is pretty safe to assume terrorist=Muslim, at least for now!

Ok, I didn't see any of that in the links I checked, I guess that's my bad.

Still, I could just as easily point out that so many of you dismiss the MSM unless it matches your opinion.
What, you only trust their opinion when it suits you?

And no, Muslim certainly does not equate to terrorist. I can't believe there is a single person on here still suggesting this. I take it you don't know any Muslim people? Because if you did, you wouldn't think that.
It's very easy to generalise.

This is an ideology all of your own. You think the tanned, bearded Boogey man is out to get you, because the MSM and government tells you this is so.

Personally, I think there's far too little information on this to suggest anything. And as I'm in the UK, I won't be too worried about a bomb going off somewhere.

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Maybe you have too little information. Others are way ahead.
Have a nice day.

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And no, Muslim certainly does not equate to terrorist. I can't believe there is a single person on here still suggesting this. I take it you don't know any Muslim people? Because if you did, you wouldn't think that.

I know about 3 Muslims that I see fairly often. I had dinner with one guy Saturday night.! *GRA sticks out tongue and says pflllllt*

And Muslim does not equal terrorist, but Terrorist does often equal Muslim!

Just because something is a generalization does not make it any less valid. Not all Muslims are terrorists, just like not all Black guys like fat white chicks, but......in general......from experience......it is an efficient place to start looking!! And, what do you know, after all the off-base generalizations, it turns out they were looking for Afghans!

Just one report for clarity between the posters:

WASHINGTON - New York authorities raided several homes early Monday as part of an effort to dismantle a suspected cell of locally based Islamist militants, according to law-enforcement officials and a U.S. lawmaker.

There were no arrests in the raids, which took place in Queens, and authorities would not say whether they were seeking suspects to question or charge.

Local and federal officials said that they do not believe any specific terrorist plot was disrupted. They said officials had been monitoring a small group that espoused radical ideologies aligned with al-Qaida and other jihadist groups.

Suspicious behavior by at least some of the men over the weekend prompted authorities to go to court to seek search warrants. A judge approved the warrants late Sunday for at least three homes and possibly other locations, which were raided before sunrise, officials said.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., on the House Homeland Security Committee, was one of several lawmakers briefed Monday. He said in a statement that the raids were an effort to disrupt the plans of at least one suspect being monitored by the FBI. - LA Times

From Reuters: "The New York Times, citing an unnamed senior law enforcement official, said authorities had uncovered a small group of people who espoused a militant ideology aligned with al Qaeda.
"A militant ideology aligned with al Qaeda," a.k.a. the traditional Islamic doctrine of jihad."

There is a difference in talking about individual muslims and theology. Further, it is a waste of time to argue the nature of man when there are plenty of muslims (70%) who follow traditional Islamic doctrine of jihad. 70% of 1.4 billion is a big number. A bigger percentage support the Palestinian cause.

Anyway, any more fighter sightings?

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why are you even in this thread? if you dont believe this, go troll somewhere else. your sig pretty much shows your true colors.

Homeland Security threat Level

September 15, 2009 * The United States government's national threat level is Elevated, or Yellow. * For all domestic and international flights, the U.S. threat level is High, or Orange.

Originally posted by wazthewazzock
Homeland Security threat Level

September 15, 2009 * The United States government's national threat level is Elevated, or Yellow. * For all domestic and international flights, the U.S. threat level is High, or Orange.

Orange is costly in overtime hours. For many struggling local governments they are going broke. DHS budgets the TSA.
Yellow is guarded. Orange is defined. That means that there is a defined threat against air transportation. Coincidence that Lockerbie mastermind was released?

I was going over emergency items this morning. Ammo has been short supply already. That might be a good idea to keep the cowboys of the streets. Food seems like it's well stocked. Winter is right around the corner and heating might become a problem. Add the swine flu and it might be a mess. Although I suspect that this will be a one hit wonder and Obama will distract from bills that will slip under the publics nose. Either way, good to prepare before the rush.

The fact that the FBI briefed the senior leadership of Congress indicates a few possibilities:

1. There is a legitimate threat, found to be more so via the raids in NYC and Somalia. The FBI cannot afford to be accused of sleeping at the wheel again as they were following 9/11 so any credible terror threat of a large enough scale will be brought before the senior members of Congress as mucho rapido.

2. The FBI needs something from Congress, perhaps authorizations of some kind or they need some pressure applied to some part of the military or other intelligence organization in order to obtain something needed for the investigation.

3. The last option would be that the investigation turned up nothing and they wanted to reassure the senior leadership that all is fine and so on. The quotes given by members who were briefed indicate that this is not the case. There is some sort of terror threat which is being taken extremely seriously and a large number of agents from several agencies (federal and state) are currently on the trail.

As much as some elements of out government engage in fear mongering for political gain there is still the traditional element of re-assuring people, telling them there's nothing to be concerned about and that everything is OK, (especially when it's not). The actions being taken by the FBI and what little information they're giving out tells me there is something big in the works. You can bet the info given to the media is more than it appears to be and is likely being used as a psy-op against the investigation targets to try and get them to move, make contact, panic, etc.

If the info about the terrorist from the Midwest visiting Queens is true and no materials were found in the raid (indicating the FBI felt the trip's purpose was to deliver the hardware) then it's likely that the cell was making contact face to face (which could mean all kinds of bad news) or that the cell wanted to trigger the FBI and DHS into action to see how closely they were being watched. If the last part is accurate that would mean the FBI just blew it and gave themselves away to the terrorists. More bad news, unfortunately.

Allowing known terrorists to wander the country so we can use them to find the other cell members and contacts is a very, very dangerous game. These guys are not stupid, they've had a lot of experience fighting against the best special ops the US, UK and Russia have. The fact they weren't able to find any hardware in the NYC raid is extremely bad news.

And then the lull. The quiet before the storm.

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been like that for a long time mate
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