Overthrow the democratically elected president, "how patriotic"

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
I hear a lot of tough talk from a lot of armchair "patriots and "revolutionaries" on this site. A lot of you better be careful what you wish for. As a veteran of a foreign war I saw and smelled my share of corpses. I saw atrocities from both sides of the bench. It's easy to sit around talking revolution this and overthrow that. You all make it sound so easy. But are you really willing to kill your neighbor because you don't like the healthcare plan. You have no idea how good we have it in this country. The hyperbolic vitriol spewed by both sides is appalling. No wonder the rest of the world laughs at use. So you can begin your insults and brickbats now.

I to am a VFW member and have smelled these things. People in this country are being pushed. "armchair patroits and revolutionaries" or not, every one has a threshold , a line drawn in the sand, where they will not be pushed anymore. We are rapidly reaching that point, and you know it. You talk as if there were a dazzling selection of choices. I would like to hear of these alternatives if they exist.

reply to post by JBA2848


I can appreciate your sentiments friend, I simply appreciate the spirit and principal of the Laws per the Constitution and what is not technically legal under the Constitution.

The actual Constitution granted all citizens (white males of European descent) soveriegn status and the right to self determination. Those rights to sovereign status and true self determination have long ago been stripped illegally by the corporate government.

I did not write the Constitution nor the Laws that follow it and uphold, nor the illegal laws that do not follow it or uphold it.

I simply recognize what they are, either Lawful, or un-Lawful based on the actual Constitution.

I know the difference because the actual Law is a black and white thing, where as politics are many shades of gray.

It is the actual politicians that love to tell us what is in black and white and was precisely worded for a reason, does not literally mean what it was precisely worded in black and white to mean, but figuratively means what it does not mean or was precisely worded to mean for their own nefarious political purposes.

The old "That's not what it really says and means...that's just crazy talk"

The reality is that legally, technically it does really mean what it is precisely worded to mean by men who precisely worded it for the purpose of clear intent. Crazy is pretending it doesn't for the purpose of unconstitutional political expedience and convenience.

Sotero(I refuse to call him Obama because he only changed his name back to that for elective purposes) is a fraud, a lliar, and a puppet. People need to wake up. It isn't about partisianship or healthcare, it's about freedom. Why in the world would anyone with half a brain elect a man who had as little political experience as he had? He played the race card, and lied time and time again. I saw the movie "Idiocracy" and I cant help but feel like that's where we are headed. People are using their brains less and less and relying on Charisma and popularity to make their decisions for them. Kinda reminds me of several other leaders who did the same thing Hitler, Stalin, Marx. Ring a bell. Rasputin used Charisma to Win over the Russian royal family and most people kow how that turned out.

Originally posted by mental modulator
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

BTW why do you obey the law Congress passes if you don't believe Congress is legal?



[edit on 11-9-2009 by mental modulator]

Laugh my sovereign little right to self determination fanny off! Who said I follow the laws the illegal congress pass?

I live under Nature's Law as I was granted the right to via the Decleration of Independence and the Constitution.

I can do that because I know the difference between the 4 sets of conflicting laws used in America.

1. Corporate Law
2. Constitutional Law
3. Roman Law
4. Nature's Law

The only thing technically illegal from a strictly legal standpoint if you know the laws and how to evoke them is...pre meditated murder, treason and high crimes of sedition.

I do not commit acts of premeditated murder nor acts of treason and high crimes of sedition...

Because I am cool!

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


10 U.S. Presidents would have you in diapers when Kennedy was in office and coming of age during Regan.
I am assuming the old dagger was a bayonet left to you by a great grandfather from World War I, which is likely about as sharp as your arguments so far.

You are and have clearly advocated for a notion that once elected to office representatives are no longer bound or need tolerate or accept dissent and debate amongst the populace and that it is wrong for anyone in the populace to dissent or debate against any policy initiative of said elected representative.

This is neither democratic nor American, as being American and what constitutes an actual American is someone willing and capable of dissent and in fact that is the only thing that keeps governments from becoming dictatorial.


Hilarious. Yes I was kid for JFK. I remeber vividly his murder. I was 10.
Better clean off some of that Protoplasm, you don't seem to be able to read too well. Your statement is simply RIDICULOUS, I said NONE of those things. What I did say is I agree with the OP completly, I NEVER said that no dissent or criticism was the rule.
AGAIN, becuase you obviously overlooked my point, ADVOCATING the vioent overthrow of the US Government OR calling for the assasination or murder of the President is very serious business AND IF YOU TRY IT THE REST OF US RESERVE OUR RIGHT TO PUT YOU IN THE FEDERAL PEN OR IN THE GROUND.
Is THAT clear enough for you? Good God!

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Since only about 10-12% of the population actually fought to establish this country, complete with a Constitution, that number is sufficient to toss off any unconstitutional behavior or persons engaging in such.

The media elected Obama.

He was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Going to make a change. Openness. Understanding. All voices would be heard.

Come to find out, he's likely not Constitutionally qualified to be President.

That's CONSTITUTIONALLY qualified. That all manner of blocking the truth of the matter is sufficient validation.

That no one wants to dig and then have it proven that they failed in their responsibilities is another roadblock.

I don't like him, I don't like his lies, I don't like his communist mentors. I don't like his racist friends. I don't like the deficits he's run up, I don't like his rewarding ACORN and the Unions for getting him elected, and I just don't like him.

So if I wake up, and discover that something terrible has happened to him, I'll just reminded myself that Obama has pissed off a lot more people than did Kennedy.

And then go back to the rest of my nap.

VERY WELL SAID

reply to post by jam321


good points, jam.

To get elected, Obama had to tell the greatest list of lies anyone has ever told.

I laughed my ass off at this young guy who was able to vote for his very first time in the Presidential elections, and was bemoaning the fact that "this isn't what I voted for! This isn't even CLOSE to what I voted for!"

Yep. A ton of folks are regretting that they too, believed a lot of his slick-talking BS and outright lies and misrepresentations.

Odd.

Liberal President, vast majority in House and Senate, and he's still selling this turd called - wait - what's he calling it this week?

Lincoln started the Constitutional crisis we still suffer from today, by subverting the Tenth Amendment, and died suddenly of lead poisoning.

I recall President Salvador Allende after he nationalized banking, copper mining and health care in Chile, resulting in a wrecked economy, and died during a coup. Lead poisoning, I recall.

OOOhhh. I also remember President Nicolae Ceausescu, who ruled for 25 years, but the last fifteen as President of Rumania. He had pissed off many of his countrymen, men who were Rumanian patriots, and his Christmas Day was anything but pleasant. Another case of terminal lead poisoning. And his wife.


Kennedy pissed off the wrong people with Executive Order 11110, and of course the Cubans, Mafia, Military, CIA, and others were utilized in an "engineered purpose" to effect the outcome.

The general rule of thumb is "don't piss off the wrong people, and for certain, don't piss off too many people."

I believe it's safe to say that Obama has already done so.

I will be amazed if there is not another "event" that occurs which causes a change in the Executive office.

Could just be an accident.

Or a crazed, lone nut.

Yeah.

Whatever.



[edit on 11-9-2009 by dooper]

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by jam321

 

I recall President Salvador Allende after he nationalized banking, copper mining and health care in Chile, resulting in a wrecked economy, and died during a coup. Lead poisoning, I recall.

And I recall this was a subversive act of the united states government that acted UNCONSTITUTIONALLY to provide the lead poisoning of a democratically elected president released a military dictatorship that butchered people like animals.

Whatever indeed

reply to post by mental modulator


Unconstitutional? Hey, it worked!

National Health Care?

That's unconstitutional too.

Lincoln, Allende, Ceausescu, Kennedy, and others forgot the first rule of boulschitting. "Never start believing your own boulschitt."

It causes lead poisoning.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Unconstitutional? Hey, it worked!

National Health Care?

That's unconstitutional too.

Lincoln, Allende, Ceausescu, Kennedy, and others forgot the first rule of boulschitting. "Never start believing your own boulschitt."

It causes lead poisoning.

Well maybe it will work, there will be a whole bunch of lead poisoning to go around

reply to post by mental modulator


And Obama shouldn't forget Hillary.

A number of people died in Clinton's administration. Mysteriously.

And that lead poisoning of large numbers? Can't bake a cake without breaking a few eggs.

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by mental modulator

 

And Obama shouldn't forget Hillary.

A number of people died in Clinton's administration. Mysteriously.

And that lead poisoning of large numbers? Can't bake a cake without breaking a few eggs.

OR Dick

Can't wait!

I unfortunatly do not have the time to read all of the thread, but I will respond to the OP:

To me, this is a bunch of baloney. Throwing them in with biased class and gender sterotypes? C'mon.

I feel abused. The President should not be Impeached or hanged or any of that sorts, but you should at least be able to vent about his outrageous policies that are hurting America more than helping right now. I could go on and on about him but that is not the point.

You have obviously never studied The Constitution either. It says written by the people, for the people. But then again, the People consisted of White, property-owning males when they wrote it. I find it distasteful to quote this.

Your lackage of Constitutional knowledge is starling enough to doubt most of your post either way. Your saying, "This man was democratically elected, so we should blindly follow him and not question him".

Lets look at past examples in history:
-Hitler
-Stalin
-Atauturk

"You may not like where this nation is heading to, but thank the founding fathers you dont constitutionally speak for the rest of the nation exclusively. "

This is a lie and offensive to me. Most of the country does not understand our Constitution or has even read it, much less read all the laws that violate it or follow it.

"Does the consensus among those in this forum, among the conservative populous dictate the entire path of the nation"

Yes. In fact it is our duty. Do we want to end up like a dreadful Marxist nation where the government has the will and power to take my Cows and not give me milk in return. Catch the metaphor.

Thank you, I'm probably wrong, but most likely right in all statements. I find this disgraceful and encouraging to the sheeple to follow a man who marches us down the road to Socialism. Good Day to you and it is your opinion on the issue, and I respect that since it is your opinion. May you support a man you will lead to your Cows being taken away.

reply to post by mental modulator


Me too, brother, me too.

May not have long to wait . . .

reply to post by OldDragger


I must confess I have no earthly idea what the Original Poster put in his Original Post because I was wise enough to put the Original Poster on igrnore a long time ago.

I have not run across any credible accounts of a proposed or planned violent over throw of the Corporate Government and it's fraudelently elected Officers.

Have you?

I have not witnessed nor is it likely I shall witness anyone in this Thread, or on ATS, or in the real life, real time world, credibly and sincerely advocating for the violent or forceful removal of the Cheif Executive Officer of the Corporate Government.

The good news is that the unconstitutionally created and illegal incorporated entity known as the Secret Service is sworn by oaths of it's Office to protect the Cheif Executive Officer(s) both present and past of the Corporate Government.

They do a credible job at dispatching their oaths of office and rest assured as long as the Stock Holders of the Corporate Government and it's Board of Directors are happy with the Cheif Executive Officer of the Corporate Government they shall allow no harm to befall him.

I would say your ad hominid attacks based on this paranoia which is what it is since there are no credible or known calls, plots, or plans to dispatch by violence or force the Cheif Executive Officer of the Corporate Government are entirely unfounded and unwarranted.

Please feel free to resume laughing, do keep in mind though 'he who laughs loudest laughs last!'

Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by mental modulator

 

Me too, brother, me too.

May not have long to wait . . .

seems to be the case

reply to post by Southern Guardian


The constitution speaks for itself. Only a natural born (in the USA) citizen.
Have him show the correct form.

Dude - I was born in HI. I had to show MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE at a state employment agency just to be served.

I am a vet.

THE VERY LEAST he can do is show a certain degree of humility and do as other citizens (WHO ARE NATURAL BORN) must do and demostrate he is a legit candidate - otherwise, either Biden is Prez or the whole thing has to be done again.

And CA needs to get that femi-nazi Pelosi recalled!

It was stated that a king or a leader becomes a tyrant when he breaks the social contract he has with his people. We should wait to see how things unfold in the upcoming months, as it has only been 9 months since Obama took the oath of office. Should, and only if conditions that violate the constitution of the United States, come about, then and only then can a sitting President be removed from office. The current adminstration is coming close, yet has not crossed that line. However, they are very close. ACORN is not the ones to watch, that is just smoke and mirrors a distraction to who we should be watching. Who we all should be watching are the CZARS that was hired and not vetted or approved of by the congress. The moment that they set policy or regulations, then it is a clear cut violation of the checks and balances set out in the Constitution of the United States and the sitting President and adminstration can be removed. Anything else, and well it is not legal. Personally I do not like the current state of affairs by the President of the United States, or some of the people he has hired, as they are questionable.

Originally posted by skycopilot
The constitution speaks for itself. Only a natural born (in the USA) citizen.
Have him show the correct form.

Exactly, only natural born, however nobody here has proven vai the constitution how Obama is not a natural born. He was born on US soil, he released his short form birth certificate which is sufficient evidence.

So here, Ill link you to the constitution and you show me here where Obama is not a natural born despite being born on US soil. Thanks,

www.law.cornell.edu...

I had to show MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE at a state employment agency just to be served.

Oh really? Was it your long for birth certificate or short form birth certificate? Did they say they dont accept short forms? Its funny you know, because I here this same excuse from birthers, yet little do they know is that the short form is the that is used over 95% of the time. The long form birth certificate usually consists of multiple pages and is vaulted.

I am a vet.

I dont give damn. You back up your accusations with facts. Dont use your service as an excuse to discredit the democratic choice of the people in 2008. If you want to impeach this man you back up your accusations.

reply to post by truth_seeker3

Your saying, "This man was democratically elected, so we should blindly follow him and not question him".

Who is?

I haven't seen anyone in this thread advocate "blindly following and not questioning" the President

There is a lot of space in between "blind obedience" and "violent overthrow"