Sunset and Sunrise Crepuscular Rays on the MOON

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Let's continue: We've established, from zorgon, that the scant atmosphere of Mars, mostly CO2, would result in a BLACK sky. Yes?

No we haven't because we all know the sky on Mars, that 'scant atmosphere of Mars, mostly CO₂ is also blue... even ArMaP agrees with that

You really need to get your facts straight. Just because one NASA 'expert' claims in his opinion it would be black doesn't make it so...

But hey your on a roll Don't let me stop ya now

Viking images of Mars Blues sky with clouds... from NASA Heck the skies out here in the High Desert of Nevada are darker than that



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Originally posted by Exuberant1
Ingo put it all quite well. Do you want me to send you the pages on which he talks about this?

Yes by all means... I haven't had time to read that yet... just got bits and pieces from John... Yeah sent me that section Kinda goes with another theory I have on why people can't see things

Originally posted by ArMaP
Those photos have a strange format, does the rest of the photos show the rest of the Moon?

You had those before...

There are several versions...

Hoagland's showing the air glow... main feature of "Dark Mission"
AS15-88-12013



I like the next frame better
Saffron Skies
AS15-88-12014




Here is the full image of AS15-88-12013
from the Smithsonian...

Shows the same colors as Pegasus's picture of the moon taken by Mike Deegan with his 10 inch scope



Source Image: Smithsonian Apollo Collection AS15-88-12013
www.nasm.si.edu...

All relevant data here
www.thelivingmoon.com...-88-12013


I mean sometimes you just have to sit back an laugh at NASA they give us so much confusing stuff that if you don't pay attention you might get the wrong ideas?


Seems these guys are okay with the 'gunpowder smell' and sodium content...


history.nasa.gov...

Oh wait! isn't sodium a major part of old gunpowder? (sodium nitrate or sodium chlorate) Well I'll be... so THAT's why NASA astronauts say the air on the moon smells like gunpowder


Don't Breathe the Moondust
science.nasa.gov...
The Smell of Moondust
science.nasa.gov...


Good Ole NASA where would I get my material if it wasn't for them

reply to post by zorgon

so THAT's why NASA astronauts say the air on the moon smells like gunpowder

No.

The astronauts didn't say the air on the moon smells like gunpowder. Duke and Cernan both commented that moondust smells like gunpowder.

There is no air on the moon.

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Here are the links to the uncropped versions.

AS15-88-12013

AS15-88-12014

The orange is due to the film being sunstruck. Light sometimes leaks into the film magazine when it's removed from the camera. The last frame is generally the most affected and AS15-88-12014 is the last frame in that magazine.

reply to post by jra

Highly selective cropping.
What a surprise.

Originally posted by Phage

There is no air on the moon.

That is what all the believers say

It is a good thing there are skeptics like myself and Zorgon to keep you lot in check.

Originally posted by Phage
There is no air on the moon.

So you keep saying... yes

In 1856 Prof Peter Andreas Hansen published in the Royal Astronomical Society that the gravity on the Farside of the Moon was greater and there was atmosphere and people lived there

Herschell in his work "Outline" embraces and embellishes it and says "not improbably what takes place in the moon" and using it to argue for he possibility of "animal or vegetable life on the moon's farside"

This became widely accepted at the time




The image above is a Sketch from 1895 of a Gold Mine in Operation on the Moon by
Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, (inventor of the Liquid fuel rocket) "Dreams of the Earth and Sky" (1895)

He also designed THIS in 1886ish



1895 of a gold mine in operation on the moon... Reported in three newspaper articles

Delphos Daily Herald, The Wednesday, February 06, 1895 Delphos, Ohio
Evening News, The (Newspaper) - March 12, 1895, Lincoln, Nebraska
Delphos Daily Herald, The (Newspaper) - August 28, 1895, Delphos, Ohio


Then along comes the USNAVY (those guys that run the secret space program )and Simon Newcomb who said that the Hansen Hypothesis was "without logical foundation" and that started the coverup

But Kaguya shows us today that there is something not right with gravity on the farside...

Howard Menger(recently passed away) gave us the saffron color of the Lunar sky... even picked it from a color chart I sent him. He knows because he was taken there... but we all know how crazy abductees are... so its easy for skeptics to dismiss. Who knows perhaps he was at a different point in time, another dimension... but he is sure what he saw

John Lear... well he is simply doing what I am doing... looking for clues, listening to those who have things to tell and making conclusions...and yet for that 'sin' he suffers the abuse of all those who claim to be here seeking answers...

And now slowly... NASA is beginning to talk about dust and atmosphere, sending NEW missions to study gravity (GRAIL) and atmosphere[LADEE)...


Now I am saying there is more to this than we know... and I too have my 'Simon Newcomb'

But at least Phage is not as grumpy as Simon was





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Originally posted by Phage
Highly selective cropping.
What a surprise.

Well see Zorgon has always shown ya the whole thing and sent ya links so you can go looky, though few rarely do... and Zorgon is broke and destitute...

While Hoagland uses selective cropping and over saturation and neglects the linkies (even though he knows few follow them) and he makes a bleeping FORTUNE That new book 60 bucks a pop heading for best seller Even John and I bought one

So I been thinking maybe its time to change my tactics here... I ain't now spring chicken anymore and all the old timers in UFOology are dropping like flies...

Watcha all think?



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reply to post by zorgon

As has been pointed out, NASA (and others) have been talking about the lunar "atmosphere" for quite a while.

Kaguya gave us a higher resolution version of what we had already known about lunar gravity since the Lunar Orbiters. There are areas of slightly less and slightly greater mass within the moon (on both the far and near side).

The full magnitude of the variations is about 1/2%. So in these areas of increased gravity, it is 16.58% of Earth's instead of 16.50%. This means that an astronaut would gain 4 ounces when standing in the middle of the anomaly. Interesting, but hardly a big deal unless you're in orbit around the Moon. Certainly nothing you'd notice on the surface unless you were looking pretty hard for it.

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Here is one of those pages I mentioned earlier. In this one, Ingo is talking about how the Moon was regarded by W.H. Pickering, M.K. Jessup and V.A. Firstoff:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/729b5ba573c5.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8533671e251c.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/5d5c8fa57a7a.jpg[/atsimg]


(Excerpts from pages 93, 94, 95 respectively)

Have you ever read Ingo Swann's Penetration? He talks about how people are forced to draw their conclusions about the Moon from the available information. The key is to control which information becomes available and to also control which information is recognized by 'official sources'.

Going back to Chapter 16 (pg. 90), this is where Ingo discuses Information availability:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/cdb5d4943181.jpg[/atsimg]



Edit: Hey Zorgon, I told you to start on page 99, but I should have said start at Chapt 16.



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Originally posted by jra
The orange is due to the film being sunstruck. Light sometimes leaks into the film magazine when it's removed from the camera. The last frame is generally the most affected and AS15-88-12014 is the last frame in that magazine.

Well Kewl Now call Mr Hoagland and explain it to him. Already had these images in several threads, but thanks foe the refresh

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That would be a strange atmosphere, just a strip of atmosphere that moves from place to place.

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Oh come on now stop teasing the children... you KNOW perfectly well what it is...

They had some momentary glitches in the Holograph projector that resulted in those flickers and blue fuzziness.

I mean there are threads all over ATS about the Moon being a holograph.... and some threads people have noticed that on some days the moon is late or early.

:coo:

Lol you guys quack me up.

Just thought I would throw in here that all life doesn't need what we the human needs to live.

What kills us is that of which allows them to survive and what we need to survive kills them.

The Moons of Planets might not be exactly what you think and all those stars well.....you know.

Zorgon great work as usual and maybe it is all just an illusion, yes,no maybe.

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I grew up being taught the moon had an atmosphere. Never heard anything about dust except there was well, lots of it about the same tactile feeling as corn starch. I even learned at one point, astronauts could have stayed outside the lunar module with no suit on, for just less than a minute or so. That implies some atmosphere doesn't it?

en.allexperts.com...

Here is another nice little site I found, too.

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Originally posted by Libertygal

Here is another nice little site I found, too.

www.thelivingmoon.com...

That is Zorgon's site

You knew that...

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No, i didn't.

I am new to posting here and I do not know the names, so that was a totally innocent mistake. But at least I posted two sites?

I just found the whole thing intriguing, but admittedly, I know very little about this scientifically. That's why I joined the thread!

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Don't worry about it. =

Spend some time on thelivingmoon.com and you'll learn alot. It is a good site.

So to is this site a good place to learn about some of the more unique aspects and discoveries of the space program.

Originally posted by Libertygal
I even learned at one point, astronauts could have stayed outside the lunar module with no suit on, for just less than a minute or so. That implies some atmosphere doesn't it?

No.
As you can see on the first link you posted, people can live in a near vacuum for around two minutes, but faint after some 15 seconds.

Staying outside for only 10 seconds will not be very useful.

And there's a NASA page with that question and answers, here.