I'm ashamed!

Originally posted by 7redorbs
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

 

Fitzgibbon, I understand your frustration. However I will assume that you, like I, are in a process of trying to understand.

Frustrated? With Masonry? Hardly. With you? Just a tad. I just find your dodging and weaving thus far beyond the pale.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Some background:

Researching this subject is like stripping away the paint and plaster from the walls of Freemasonry (school building). Take out a couple of bricks and you will see the truth, the invisible gears of Freemasonry.

Which would be applicable if you were actually pulling bricks from the right address.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
The engine which powers their global control system. As they turn, they mesh together to accomplish their agendas. The reason why politicians never seem to do what the people who voted them into office want is because of these agendas.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
An agenda is consistent with a secret society. A secret society whose plan is already laid out.
Predetermined.

Just look at how many Masonic Presidents the United States has had.

14 of 44. Last Mason? Gerald Ford. 30 years ago! Only got to be president because Tricky Dick got caught. This is supposed to be a shining example of Masonry's black hand?

Originally posted by 7redorbs
The visible "good works" organization is deliberately lied to and mislead with false interpretations by the invisible organization. The invisible organization knows the truth and is comprised of ELITE Masons.

And somehow the shadowy, unseen and hidden minority operating against the professed and followed agenda of the majority is somehow more representative of true Masonry. Kinda like saying Bonesmen are more American than Americans.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
This two dimensional organization is described by Manly P. Hall (who is a Mason himself). Hall was.....[snip]

Guess what Manly P. Hall wasn't when most of his most-cited-by-anti-Masons books were written? Wanna guess?

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Manly P. Hall said:
"Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity -- an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. ...[snip]...[defined as 'a secret, a mystery']." [Hall, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, p. 433]

Debunked 5 years ago (and likely more; I'm just too lazy to go looking).

Originally posted by 7redorbs
There are many men within Freemasonry who are well-meaning and they make up the VISIBLE or "good works" organization of Freemasonry. They also have no knowledge of the INVISIBLE organization within Freemasonry.

And again, somehow the shadowy, unseen and hidden minority operating against the professed and followed agenda of the majority is somehow more representative of true Masonry. Kinda like saying Bonesmen are more American than Americans.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Albert Pike said something VERY interesting concerning the brethren in the visible society: "Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead; to conceal the Truth, which it calls light, and draw them away from it." [Morals and Dogma, p. 104-5,
3rd Degree]

Albert Pike specifically says in the above quote that Masonry is a religion after the order of the Satanic Mysteries, the equally Satanic Hermetic Philosophy, and Alchemy.

Debunked in 2007 in the middle of this post.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Freemasonry was designed to conceal certain secrets from the brethren in the visible organization. The ELITE Masons are the ones who know the truth. ...[snip]

And again, somehow the shadowy, unseen and hidden minority operating against the professed and followed agenda of the majority is somehow more representative of true Masonry. Kinda like saying Bonesmen are more American than Americans.

Am I having to sound like a broken record?

Originally posted by 7redorbs
If a man were to make it known to his fellow brethren that he believes in Jesus Christ he would likely be placed into the VISIBLE organization of Freemasonry.

Because as a Mason, you know, right? Oh.....wait a sec....you aren't a Mason, are you? Right! Got it! You know because you know.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
If a person is not capable of accepting the Truth that inner-core, invisible Freemasonry really worships and serves Satan, then such Truth would become "deadly" to you.

Because as a Mason, you know, right? Oh.....wait a sec....you aren't a Mason, are you? Right! Got it! You know because you know.

Broken record again?

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Therefore, "fictions are necessary" so visible Masons would not be so devastated that they would leave Freemasonry and expose its inner secrets.

There IS one short paragraph that properly and concisely defines the heart and soul of the Invisible Fraternity of Freemasonry. Let us return to Manly P. Hall for this quote:

"When a Mason learns the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy." [The Lost Keys To Freemasonry, Manly P. Hall, published by the Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, 1976, p. 48; Emphasis added]

Debunked 5 years ago in this same post for the same reason.

See a pattern developing?

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Originally posted by 7redorbs
A majority of Masons have been kept in IGNORANCE all along.

Hmmm...Masons kept in ignorance. We'll have to come back to that in a moment.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Albert Pike speaks of the obelisk: "Hence the significance of the phallus, or of its inoffensive substitute, the obelisk, rising as an emblem of the resurrection by the tomb of buried Deity …"
[Morals and Dogma, p. 393]

Would that be like the selective incomplete quote such as you just demonstrated? Perhaps we can actually look at the entire quote and not just the truncated bit you chose to highlight. What're the missing words after "the obelisk, rising as an emblem of the resurrection by the tomb of buried Deity …"? "at Lerna or at Sais". Ancient Greece and ancient Egypt.

Sorta makes your next statement meaningless (especially since you haven't sourced this spurious assertion either).

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Now, you know why you see so many obelisks atop the graves of Freemasons, for it is "an emblem of the resurrection of buried Deity"; the Invisible Mason believes he is becoming a god throughout his life, so the obelisk at his grave is simply the visible manifestation of that belief.

Gee! I never would've expected an unsourced spurious assertion from you given your posting practices in this forum.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
God Almighty ordered the Satanic obelisks burned, but only after He ordered King Jehu to slaughter the worshippers of the obelisk, also known as Baal worshippers.

And here we go.....

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Thus, the Invisible Freemasonry is devoted to the obelisk worship so forbidden by God as to be worthy of the Death Penalty. Keep this in mind the next time you contemplate the Washington Monument!

This "Invisible Freemasonry" that's worshipping obelisks based on logic flowing from your truncated quote of Pike? Bit of a stretch there, 7.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Finally, Serpent Worship takes us directly into Hell itself, for Satan stands directly behind this form of worship. This is the Invisible Fraternity of Freemasonry, and I bet you never knew it existed, did you?

And we got onto Serpent Worship from obelisk worship exactly how?

Originally posted by 7redorbs
And.. believe it or not I'm not trying to accuse the 'good masons' as being satanists, I'm trying to accuse the esoteric occultists that do form a part of the masons of a possible satanic link, which is recorded in numerous ways as I have listed, and as is written in full and disturbing detail (for the most part) in an ebook called 'The hidden Gears of Freemasonry'.

Ah! These would be the satanists that would have to lie their way about believing in a Supreme Ruler of the Universe (which by definition can't be Satan)? And this through all the degrees from Entered Apprentice up to whatever fits your definition of 'the Elites'? Another bit of a logical stretch going there.

Mind you, the accusation pattern does seem to be vaguely reminiscent of someone. Can't quite put my finger on it just yet. C7?

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Freemasons should read Hirams Key. It's worth noting , I've been banned by several Masonic chatrooms for even mentioning the book, I know why.

I know why too. If you haven't figured it out yet, more the fool you.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
There is also more I want to cite and talk about in some detail, with regards to Hiram Abiff, the ritual and the consciousness, resurrection element, and of course, most importantly (IMO) the changing description of the story.. hope to do that soon.

And again with the resurrection theme. Oddly enough, I don't seem to recall Hiram getting up and dancing around in the 3rd degree. Must've been asleep for that part.

Originally posted by 7redorbs
Just look at how many Masonic Presidents the United States has had.

14. Less than 1/3 of all US Presidents. The last was Ford, more than 30 years ago. Your point?

This two dimensional organization is described by Manly P. Hall (who is a Mason himself). Hall was honored by The Scottish Rite Journal, who called Hall 'The Illustrious Manly P. Hall' in September, 1990, and further called him 'Masonry's Greatest Philosopher', saying "The world is a far better place because of Manly Palmer Hall, and we are better persons for having known him and his work"].

Manly P. Hall said:
"Freemasonry is a fraternity within a fraternity -- an outer organization concealing an inner brotherhood of the elect ... it is necessary to establish the existence of these two separate and yet interdependent orders, the one visible and the other invisible. The visible society is a splendid camaraderie of 'free and accepted' men enjoined to devote themselves to ethical, educational, fraternal, patriotic, and humanitarian concerns. The invisible society is a secret and most August [defined as 'of majestic dignity, grandeur'] fraternity whose members are dedicated to the service of a mysterious arcannum arcandrum [defined as 'a secret, a mystery']." [Hall, Lectures on Ancient
Philosophy, p. 433]

Hall wrote that 40 years before he became a Mason. He didn't have any working knowledge of Masonry when he wrote it. Talking about his books as being by Hall, 33° Mason is like talking about "The Next Karate Kid" starring 2 time Oscar-winner Hillary Swank. It's true Swank won the Oscar, but disingenuous to alter the timeline or imply causality.

There are many men within Freemasonry who are well-meaning and they make up the VISIBLE or "good works" organization of Freemasonry. They also have no knowledge of the INVISIBLE organization within Freemasonry. Albert Pike said something VERY interesting concerning the brethren in the visible society: "Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism, and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead; to conceal the Truth, which it calls light, and draw them away from it." [Morals and Dogma, p. 104-5,
3rd Degree]

And yet, even after quoting the same thing 3 different times in the same thread, you still can't tell us about the deception???

Albert Pike specifically says in the above quote that Masonry is a religion after the order of the Satanic Mysteries, the equally Satanic Hermetic Philosophy, and Alchemy.

Nowhere in the above quote does Pike specifically mention Satan. So you're making stuff up.

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without getting into a major discussion that has most certainly happened many times in the past, are you aware that the earth shattering information you have presented here is the same junk we hear on this forum monthly. Yep, some guy thinks he has found an amazing "new" site called freemasonrywatch.org, and has to save us from ourselves. Please, when you do all this research and reading, check out some other sites. If you need assistance, you could ask......oh I don't know...........How about a mason. Yea, they might know a little bit about masonry.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.


I think what Pike was saying is that masons should feel that they belong to something big, and feel that they are doing something worthwhile without understanding what masonry's true purpose is!

Pike was actually repeating what was a popular fiction at the time.

The quote (about the Blue Degrees being the outer portico of the Temple) comes from Chapter 30 of Morals and Dogma, which is the lecture to the scottish Rite's 30th degree, Knight Kadosh, which is the Scottish Rite version of the Knight Templar degree.

At the time he wrote Morals and Dogma, Pike believed that Masonry came from the Knights Templar. Since the Templars are not mentioned in the first three degrees, Pike concluded that the true meaning and purposes were reserved fot the high degrees, which do in fact talk about the Templars.

The only problem with that, of course, is that Pike was wrong. After Gould published his "History of Freemasonry", Pike retracted his earlier statements, but this is either ignored by anti-Masons, or is not even known to them. Gould conclusively showed that Freemasonry originated with the stonemason guilds of medieval England and Scotland, not with French crusaders. Pike was honest enough to admit his previous mistakes, but anti-Masons generally are not.

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Albert Pike is most influential Scottish Rite Mason.

How can you confirm this? All your knowledge is second hand. What real life experience do you have?

practicing 32nd degree (inner circle) Freemasons will know that secret societies are dealing with a great deal of esoteric rights rituals, orders and ceremony.

This statement alone shows me that you don't know much about Freemasonry.

Every masonic Lodge is a temple of Religion and its teachings are an instruction in Religion.

Wrong again. We teach lessons of morality, not religion.

So you are a friend of Sir Knight (Brother) Koon? Is the son in the Templars as well? If he is a member and is telling secrets he is breaching his oath.

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I've got no issues with masons what so ever



But this evil thing is just some crazy nutter who thinks all secret societies are bad, not true.

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lol conspiracy theories are hilarious. I've stoped coming to this site now I just check it every few days for laughs . lol at the "global elite masonic conspiracy" or whatever else nonsense people spout out of their mouths on here. I've been reading this site for years although I just recently registered and I can't count the amount of the times I've seen someone say "the suns gonna blow up" or other nonsense conspiracies and nothing ever happens!!! lol. The funniest thing I read on here recently was some thread about the denver airport. People think there is some secret alien base underneath it and that the art all around it is a sign of the coming "new world order". When in reality the murals in there are awesome and if you read interviews with the artist who made them he'll tell you exactly what they mean. They are just enviromentalist art or whatever.

Oh and btw masons arent a "secret society", so stop calling us that. I don't think secret societies plainly mark their buildings for all to see. I don't think most secret societies anyone can just walk in and petition to join. Sure there are some masons that like to think that we are a secret society and that we have all kinds of secrets. But in reality there really are none. All the "secrets" of freemasonry have been steadily "exposed" since the 1700's.


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I myself dont know anything about them , I do know this ,a man that i love dearly and have my whole life is a freemason, He is funny, sensitive and one of the most selfless and giving people i know. I just recently found out of his involvement Im not sure how long hes been one but he is still the same loving man hes always been. There isnt a mean or dishonest bone in his body.