Independent Investigation Into Pentagon Attack Yields Alarming Information

Originally posted by tezzajw
he has avoided, deflected and then finally used name-calling. He's invented things that I have not stated or claimed, and basically made things up along the way.

Didn't even remember it was the same thread after all this time. Someone must be tracking everything I've type in the last month.

Anyway, I respond to information put forward on the topic at hand, not tiresome trolls.


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[edit on 31-10-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by mmiichael
Anyway, I respond to information put forward on the topic at hand, not tiresome trolls.

But your response has not been satisfactory, as you've failed to substantiate your two very specific claims about the passenger bodies.

The topic of this thread is about CIT's investigation of the Pentagon attack - it's not really a philosophical camp-fire session where we all get to read your opinion of Middle-Eastern policies.

You've broken your promise to leave the thread, so I thought that you must have had some proof for your claims about the passenger bodies.

reply to post by mmiichael

Anyway, I respond to information put forward on the topic at hand, not tiresome trolls.

Would you please post your answer right below me because, even I must have miss your answer thank you. I haven't seen any photos of any airplane seats, or any bodies straped in their seats.


[edit on 31-10-2009 by impressme]

Originally posted by impressme
Would you please post your answer right below me because, even I must have miss your answer thank you. I haven't seen any photos of any airplane seats, or any bodies straped in their seats.

Reread the messages in this thread. As I recall, someone supplied an account of one of the personnel involved in clean-up noting two passengers still in their seats. A photo released for the Moussawi trial showed a passenger in their seat. Myself and others supplied links to the labs that did the analysis, and there are links somewhere to detailed specifics of what remains were found of passengers. Al avaialbe to the public.

A repeated Truther claim is since there are no clear photographs released of passenger seats then there weren't passengers. This is one of many delusional attempts to deny what happened.

The plane took off from Dulles airport, it crashed into the Pentagon little more than an hour later. Hundreds of ordinary citizen witnesses, clean-up personnel, labs identifying remains and DNA. The people on the flight and crew never heard from again. Because they're dead. Nothing contradicting this despite what people like the CIT scumbags try to peddle.

Reread the thread, read something besides whack job Truther sites and videos, and you'll find the information you're looking for.


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[edit on 31-10-2009 by mmiichael]

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A photo relased for the Moussawi trial showed a passenger in their seat.

Thats false and you know that.

This I consider just one of many whacko delusional attempts to deny the actual event.

Ahhhh, so true Mikey...

[edit on 10/31/2009 by TheAntiHero420]

Originally posted by mmiichael
As I recall, someone supplied an account of one of the personnel involved in clean-up noting two passengers still in their seats.

Unverified hearsay. Which passenger body was it?

Originally posted by mmiichael
A photo relased for the Moussawi trial showed a passenger in their seat.

Really? Which passenger body was it? Are you sure that it was a passenger body and not a Pentagon worker?

What you posted above does not prove your two specific claims about the alleged passenger bodies. Perhaps it would have been wiser for you to stay out of the thread. However, now that you've returned, you are performing an important service by bumping this thread to the top of the forum.

It's important for casual readers to see how some people fail to substantiate their claims.

Originally posted by tezzajw
It's important for casual readers to see how some people fail to substantiate their claims.

Like are you totally incapable of reading? Typed on this thread a zillion times - the information you're asking about is out there. If you're too damned lazy to look for it - that's your problem, n t anyone else's.

The casual reader will note some people have this wild claim what was witnessed by hundreds of ordinary people ron the spot and verified a thousand times over with physical evidence - somehow miraaculously didn't happen. Of course they cannot provide a shred of evidence of something else crashing into the Pentagon.

A pathetic desperation to sustain this delusions makes them cling to any trivial detail.

"Gee, I don't have a picture of a passenger in a seat. Therefore it must have been a missile."

Brilliant deduction!


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The casual reader will note some people have this wild claim what was witnessed by hundreds of ordinary people ron the spot and verified a thousand times over with physical evidence - somehow miraaculously didn't happen. Of course they cannot provide a shred of evidence of something else crashing into the Pentagon.

The witness statements are inconsistent and somewhat contradict each other. Some reports are if they didn't see what happened at all and just filled in the rest.

Originally posted by mmiichael
Like are you totally incapable of reading? Typed on this thread a zillion times - the information you're asking about is out there. If you're too damned lazy to look for it - that's your problem, n t anyone else's.

In fact it's your problem, mmiichael. I suspect that's why you promised to leave this thread, when you realised that you could not substantiate either of your claims.

Originally posted by mmiichael
"Gee, I don't have a picture of a passenger in a seat. Therefore it must have been a missile."

Casual readers, note that mmiichael has appeared to lose control of his rational senses and his ability to stay on topic with this strange claim.

I have never made that claim, this is something that mmiichael has dreamed up in the process of deflecting and spinning.

Once more, mmiichael, you made some very specific claims about the alleged passenger bodies - all of which you have failed to substantiate.

To your list of claims, you've also added that one of the Zacarias Moussaoui trial pictures, showed a passenger body in an airline seat. Quite startling really, for you to make that claim and then leave it unsupported.

[edit on 31-10-2009 by tezzajw]

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Eyewitness testimony is typically amongst the lowest caliber of evidence there is...people have bad memories. What you must focus on is...how did the airplane debris get there?

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We've tried that. Neither side made substantial claims that could be fully proven, though most of the events can never be fully proven(either claims).

Eyewitnesses are consistent. Meaning 3 people though they saw something different from the other 200 standing right there . Yadda Yadda Yadda.

Lets play a game and ignore a million other pieces of confirming evidence. Public medical teams, firemen, ordinary people on site dealing with the mess.

Let's just ignore that people who boarded a routine flight at 8:30 have their charred reamins and blood an remains splattered inside the Pentagon at 9:30.

Let's pretend the CIA went around uprooting half ton light poles out of cement and scattered them around to look like a plane came through. No one noticed this unusual activity.

Truly nutso stuff I'm amazed anyone over 12 would believe for a minute.


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Wow, when you put it like that I can't help but agree. Your right my 12th birthday was today. Mikey I used to work in a store like walmart and as it turns out its easiest to steal something when an employee is around, doubt me try it out yourself. Let alone when their going by at 65mph or in a gridlock, witness never got that one right. Stand still traffic yet the taxi managed to go so far.

I don't encourage stealing.

[edit on 10/31/2009 by TheAntiHero420]

Originally posted by mmiichael
Lets play a game and ignore a million other pieces of confirming evidence.

Why do you insist on playing games when you have not yet proven your very specific claims mmiichael?

Again, here's a reminder of your claims:
1 - passenger bodies were found strapped to airline seats.
2 - rear seated passenger bodies were found relatively intact.
3 - one of the Zacarias Moussaou trial pictures showed a passenger body in a seat.

When will you prove these, or retract them?

reply to post by mmiichael

Reread the messages in this thread. As I recall, someone supplied an account of one of the personnel involved in clean-up noting two passengers still in their seats.

I never asked you what you recalled did I. I ask you to supply your answer that you said you have answered pertains to this question:

Anyway, I respond to information put forward on the topic at hand, not tiresome trolls.

Would you please post your answer right below me because, even I must have miss your answer thank you. I haven't seen any photos of any airplane seats, or any bodies straped in their seats.

Please answer the question and stop deflecting and obscuring.

A repeated Truther claim is since there are no clear photographs released of passenger seats then there weren't passengers. This is one of many delusional attempts to deny what happened.

“clear photographs”? I haven’t seen any photographs released of passenger seats.

Where are these magical photographs that you speak of? Provide them? What’s with the name calling?


[edit on 1-11-2009 by impressme]

Originally posted by TheAntiHero420
Wow, when you put it like that I can't help but agree. Your right my 12th birthday was today. Mikey I used to work in a store like walmart and as it turns out its easiest to steal something when an employee is around, doubt me try it out yourself. Let alone when their going by at 65mph or in a gridlock, witness never got that one right. Stand still traffic yet the taxi managed to go so far.

Thanks for sharing your professional observations with us, And Happy Birthday.

Pulling out a row of light poles embedded 4 feet in cement, with high power electrical cables running through them is a bit more noticeable than lifting items from a department.

So got any proof anything other than that airliner crashed into the Pentagon? Proof that all the hundred of people involved in the clean up and analysis (who you can phone and ask) are in part of the

dooo-dooo-dooo-dooo-dooo-dooo-dooo-dooo

"INSIDE JOB."


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[edit on 1-11-2009 by mmiichael]

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Well the funny thing is that if a plane travelling that fast low enough to hit the light poles would have moved if not rolled the cars directly under it as it passed. And what happens to light poles when hit by a plane, google when, I believe it was, GB Sr.'s plane hit a light pole... it wasnt uprooted, just simply snapped.

Originally posted by mmiichael
Pulling out a row of lightpoles embedded 4 feet deep in cement, with high power electrical cables running through them is a bit more of job than lifting item from a department.

You're better off leaving the light poles alone. pteridine claimed that one of them hit the taxi, which he has failed to prove. Furthermore, he tangled himself up very poorly when he tried to use McGraw as a witness... that didn't turn out too well for pteridine's proof, when McGraw never stated that he saw it happen.

Something for you to consider, mmiichael, is your three claims:
1 - passenger bodies were found strapped to airline seats.
2 - rear seated passenger bodies were found relatively intact.
3 - one of the Zacarias Moussaou trial pictures showed a passenger body in a seat.

When will you prove these, or retract them?

Originally posted by tezzajw

Something for you to consider, mmiichael, is your three claims:
1 - passenger bodies were found strapped to airline seats.
2 - rear seated passenger bodies were found relatively intact.
3 - one of the Zacarias Moussaou trial pictures showed a passenger body in a seat.

When will you prove these, or retract them?

Look. We're not supposed to call people dunces. Trolls, maybe.

You've had your question answered a dozen times as to where to look. I respond to intelligent queries. No feeling any obligation to personally fulfill the request of every Truther who refuse to do any searching.


Show me what did crash into the Pentagon if it wasn't the plane with its passenger. Show me what happened to them. I want photos.

This is all an amusing waste of time. It won't register and you'll just ask the same dopey questions again.

Some people were fitted with more brains than other.

The casual reader must get a laugh.


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Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by tezzajw
Something for you to consider, mmiichael, is your three claims:
1 - passenger bodies were found strapped to airline seats.
2 - rear seated passenger bodies were found relatively intact.
3 - one of the Zacarias Moussaou trial pictures showed a passenger body in a seat.
When will you prove these, or retract them?

I respond to intelligent queries. No feeling any obligation to personally fulfill the request of every Truther who refuse to do any searching.

Clearly you don't respond to intelligent queries, mmiichael, as I have intelligently queried you numerous times about your claims and you do not respond to them.

You avoid, dodge, deflect and try to spin your way out of supporting the claims that you made.

Why would you make these claims and then not support them? Is this some kind of attempt to spread disinformation on the forum?