Independent Investigation Into Pentagon Attack Yields Alarming Information

reply to post by TheAntiHero420


If someone said “it was like an oven in there” it´s just a figure of speech. You understand this right?
A human being is not able to survive inside an oven. Can we agree on that?
So the people who were in there and said that, were just using a figure of speech. OK?
So I guess we could agree that it was very hot, but not really like an oven, right?

Originally posted by rush969
reply to post by TheAntiHero420

 

If someone said “it was like an oven in there” it´s just a figure of speech. You understand this right?
A human being is not able to survive inside an oven. Can we agree on that?
So the people who were in there and said that, were just using a figure of speech. OK?
So I guess we could agree that it was very hot, but not really like an oven, right?

Ummm... ok. So your saying its hot and the saying "its like an oven in there" doesn't mean theres literally an oven in there. No kidding, wow, never would have guessed. I wont say what I'd like to say, because I dont feel like being warned. Its hot and concealed in there, you know like an oven.

Originally posted by TheAntiHero420

Ummm... ok. So your saying its hot and the saying "its like an oven in there" doesn't mean theres literally an oven in there. No kidding, wow, never would have guessed. I wont say what I'd like to say, because I dont feel like being warned. Its hot and concealed in there, you know like an oven.

I don´t see your point. But maybe you can see the following:
A living person, might die if left inside an oven for enough time.
However, much of the DNA contained in his body will remain "usable" for identification.
Sometimes only a bone fragment weighing a few grams is enough to make a positive ID.

reply to post by rush969

A living person, might die if left inside an oven for enough time.

Lol, on or off?

A human being is not able to survive inside an oven. Can we agree on that?

Wait didn't you just say something else?

However, much of the DNA contained in his body will remain "usable" for identification.

Never said I didn't believe any dna evidence was found, I do find it unlikely that enough was found to Id everyone on the plane under such harsh conditions. There are other aspects to the event other then fire. Cremation takes an hour and a half to two hours to complete at temperatures from 1000-2000 degrees. How hot did the pentagon fires burn and how long did the fire last, and the initial explosion probably wasn't to helpful.

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[edit on 10/19/2009 by TheAntiHero420]

Originally posted by TheAntiHero420
reply to post by rush969
Never said I didn't believe any dna evidence was found, I do find it unlikely that enough was found to Id everyone on the plane under such harsh conditions.

So, you do believe some DNA evidence was found. How much?
And, how many people do you think could have been ID?




[edit on 19-10-2009 by rush969]

Originally posted by rush969

Originally posted by TheAntiHero420
reply to post by rush969
Never said I didn't believe any dna evidence was found, I do find it unlikely that enough was found to Id everyone on the plane under such harsh conditions.

So, you do believe some DNA evidence was found. How much?
And, how many people do you think could have been ID?

[edit on 19-10-2009 by rush969]

Lol now your just reading to far into what I'm saying. Does it matter how much dna I think they found? For a guess probably 70-90% of the people, but thats with the information at hand. That being that flight 77 actually hit the pentagon...

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by AceOfAces

 

And how disappointed the "truth" movement will be when they find out that, yes, a group of Islamic terrorists managed to pull off the attack that day........

What you will find out is that the men and women that have been serving us in the Congress over the last 30 years managed to hamstring our agencies enough to create the conditions needed to hurt us like we were on 9/11.

Either way, sounds like some heads need to roll, the problem is, no one in our government was held accountable. Why? For me, whether it was an inside job or that Muslim extremist did it, people in our govenment didn't do their job. But NO one was held accountable. That seems fishy to me. You know what I mean?

I've had a question for a long time. It seems simple enough to answer, and maybe somewhere it has been. I can't seem to find it though.

Why didn't Cheney evacuate the pentagon if they new there was an incoming plane 50 miles out?




They saw it coming and did nothing....what am I missing?

reply to post by JohnnyR


A plane travelling at 500 mph could hit the building in 6 minutes from 50 miles out. Evacuation would have had every one in the parking lots or in a traffic jam where they would be more vulnerable. He could have had them move to bomb shelters or towards the inner rings but no one knew that the Pentagon was a primary target. Six minutes of people moving in a building that size might not have done much. They might even have moved toward the recently renovated and strengthened section.

Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by JohnnyR

 

A plane travelling at 500 mph could hit the building in 6 minutes from 50 miles out. Evacuation would have had every one in the parking lots or in a traffic jam where they would be more vulnerable. He could have had them move to bomb shelters or towards the inner rings but no one knew that the Pentagon was a primary target. Six minutes of people moving in a building that size might not have done much. They might even have moved toward the recently renovated and strengthened section.

I see what your saying and partially agree. But 6 minutes is more then enough time for a safe evacuation. Give me 6 minutes and I'll put a mile in between me and the building with time to light a cigarette and watch the shtf.

reply to post by JohnnyR


Have you voted to remove any of the fossils in the House/Senate from you district? The decisions that were made starting in the 70s were made with good intentions (for the most part)...and a large cup of human arrogance....are you going to try people for doing what they thought was right? Or because they were short sighted in how they viewed the world?

Just how broad a brush do you want to use?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
Just how broad a brush do you want to use?

Brush? No, its time to pull out the chisel or a jackhammer and start chipping away some of the good ole boy fecal material that has built up over the decades of the Bush Era CIA cronies. They went too far this time, and we're not as ignorant as they supposed.
Anyways, you guys saw the video of Lloyd the taxi driver lying repeatedly about being on the bridge that day and admitting he was 'part of it', right?
We hand you guys proof positive, and it gets ignored, again.
It's over guys, 9-11 was an inside job. We don't have a court case to or a legislation to get behind, but that sure as hell ain't going to be from lack of effort.

Originally posted by JohnnyR
I've had a question for a long time. It seems simple enough to answer, and maybe somewhere it has been. I can't seem to find it though.

Why didn't Cheney evacuate the pentagon if they new there was an incoming plane 50 miles out?

Two things.
1.- They didn´t know what the target was. So why would they think that it was the Pentagon?
2.- There were other options quite close, like The White House, or The Capitol.

Just imagine that they had thought it was the Pentagon and decided to send all personnel to the newly renovated reinforced area!!!

Originally posted by LightFantastic

I wouldn't have thought that DNA would have been classed as "remains". In addition I can find no data on what happens to DNA in such a impact. It could spread for hundreds of yards, out of reach of the fire.

I can see that many in this thread don't want to reason so I think I will leave it here. I have no opinion on whether the OS is true or not.

What is this? You offer your opinion on what you speculate could possibly have been the circumstances even if research would show you wrong. Then you claim to not have an opinion and say it is about reason which here is lacking. Does your reasoning understand you cannot offer that are not going to offer after you just offered?

I see a lot of disinfo here in this form. People pop in and express an opinion or idea based on NOTHING and then explain how they are unbiased, for really real though. Then they claim the thread sucks for some reason so they will not be back. It even got a star, how sad.

Oh yeah and another thing, "the DNA remains were found...." Read something will you?
So I guess you need to tell the pathologist the DNA does not count as remains because his reports are all pretty stupid then.

[edit on 10/21/09 by Lillydale]

to yellowcard- actually the wall damage would look like a cartoon imprint due to a single fact- kinetic energy of the object( the claimed speed of the government reports).. Even if the arplane was made of cucumbers it would stiil have made a huge damage because of kinetic energy being dissipated into a static object . and believe me 2 trillion dollars were not `lost ` in military accounting , they were lost in deep pckets. imagine if an independent bureau made an investigation as what objects of `secret projects` have actually been built and which were just money laundering under pretense of secret projects, you would be very surprised. And probably disappointed.........

Video comes to unsound conclusion.

The Truth Movement keeps slamming into a brick wall with the debunkers, because they have foolishly locked onto to a group of assumptions which seem obvious but are actually quite possibly wrong if not certainly so.

There is a central premise of the Truth Movement that is not logical...

On the one hand they say that anyone who did this is a treasonous criminal, but on the other they say that all the conspirators were patriotic enough only to use American personnel and equipment.

If this unsond premise is removed, then it opens up the possibiltiy that someone OTHER than Al Qaeda or the Governemnt did the actual mass murder.

Sherlock Holmes said remove what is not possible and whatever is left, no matter howunlikely then becomes the certainty.

I have taken a long time at looking at the facts and the only way in which they all fall together is isa third party carried out 9/11...and disturbingly the facts actually fit, leaving the Pentagon involved only in an unwitting cover-up.

Just suppose, for a moment, that you were Dick Cheney orsomeone in the Bush clan and you wanted to plan 9/11.

Would you use the Pentagon and the Government?

No, not if you could help it.

So, who else could do it? Well, actually, as far fetched as it might seem, it is actually perfectly possible for Halliburton to have done 9/11, using only a small branch of KBR subsidiary and some of their subcontractors could have been pressured or infiltrated into doing it. And by using an offshore branch of KBR, it would ensure that everyone is looking in the wrong place - and yes, that includes firing Tomahawk missiles into the Pentagon.
If one workon the basis NOT of who had the power to do the crime, but who had the actual ability to do it, there is a simple loophole that wold have allowed KBR access to gain illicit use of one particular country's missiles, beat the NORAD system and make the missiles and aircraft invisible to electronic detection systems as if their bleepers had been switched off.

Furthermore, a lot of evidence that everyone has ignored that is right in front of us back this up, yet sadly it s ignored by the Truth movement as trivial and irrelevant.

reply to post by aristocrat2


That maybe so, but the government and military have shown before their willingness to sacrifice money and equipment to use how they want. Ships, building and people alike; they don't care about us.

i've been screaming the facts with the pentagon attack didn't line up since it happened. during my stint in the navy, and discharge, i've seen up close and on approach, fighters, bombers and other aircraft, and when i seen the damage of the pentagon, and what they claimed hit it, i've screamed bloody murder....

it's gonna be a hard fight to get the absolute truth but, FIGHT. my girlfriend has called me a nut for my beliefs, as the truth of life for one who is too scared to understand, a closed mouth doesn't get fed. likewise, for a closed mind.

tragic.

during avionics training in Nattc Pensacola, the Saudi "Nationals" WERE there. being trained for all things aviation(including "BB stackers"...aviation ordnance), and were separately trained from the rest of us airmen. the only way we knew of them was the fact that they shared our smoke-pit during breaks. they stood on the opposite end and NEVER, ever, attempted contact with US airmen, though attempts were made to speak. that was 1997-98.

the AE barracks was abuzz with questions of why they were there....and especially WHY their trainees were secluded from the rest of us and in our young jealousy(i was 18), why they were given the officers barracks adjacent to our Bravo barracks, which resembled a hotel.

my own room faced their barracks. but when they were finished with training and left, that same day and this is fact, our barracks and the section of the base was LOCKED DOWN. no explanation given. but rumor was, that house keeping found a nasty calling card(of the BB stacker kind) in their room when she went to turn the room over (clean it). we were restricted to our barracks, phone calls "monitored" or restricted and NO ONE allowed to leave. shipmates of mine knew my room face the barracks and we all piled into my window, or those below with views of the courtyard and seen the swarming of personnel at the next building.

Im sorry guys, for that blab, but nothing has added up for a very long time. but very few questioned it, those that did, were beaten back or had their patriotism challenged til they fell silent, or were called crackpots and dismissed.

i had to let that out. been holding onto those memories for a very long time. lol!

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reply to post by ahmonrarh


Soooo...you are saying WHAT??? exactly???


Oh, I see...the SAUDIS are behind it...yeah, I agree....

OBL is SAUDI....BUT, the connection the Bushes had WITH the SAUDIS....we won't discuss....or maybe we should.....because it POINTS to the errors in "trust".....

Look....9/11 caught US off guard....it happened.

The BUSH family is not clean, we know that already...it's been covered.

BUT!!!! IF Bush (and company) wnted to go into Afghanistan or Iraq....they would NOT have needed something as elabarate as 9/11!!!!

They could have orchestrated something else.... Darn it, this is just nonsense!!!!

I HATE BUSH as much as the next guy....but neither HE, NOR his compadres were smart enough to pull this off!!!!!


It was a terrorist attack --- pure and simple!

We will NOT let it happen again, and that is truth.

All the rest???

NONSENSE!!!!!



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