Independent Investigation Into Pentagon Attack Yields Alarming Information

reply to post by twitchy


OK, twitch....so you're alleging the American Airlines flight hit the Pentagon, AND a missile too?

See? You either:

A) Have them both hit;

B) Have the American Airlines jet "filled with our citizens" hit; OR,

C) Have a 'missile' (of unknown design, fired from an unknown location, with no perceptible parts being found onsite....Maybe it came from Dick Cheney's inventory, and his 'undisclosed location'??)

Choose.
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And explain why I knew the First Office of AA 77. And explain to ALL the mssing victim's families.

AND come speak to ALL of the American ground employees at Dulles who worked the flight that morning. And, suggest an interview with the American dispatchers, and Flight Ops and Reservations....that is not a complete list, either...

[edit on 27 September 2009 by weedwhacker]

A highly recommended tour for people who somehow feel the government in broad daylight during rush hour as sending around operatives to knock down light poles.

counterknowledge.com...

One of the standard claims of 9/11 “truthers” is that they are merely sceptical individuals with a healthy and understandable desire not to swallow US government propaganda at face value. The mantra “just asking questions” allows them to pose as wary and intelligent souls too accustomed to the concept of duplicity in high places to accept the “official story” of Al Qaeda’s role in planning and perpetrating the largest mass casualty terrorist attack in modern history.

It also allows them to adopt an indignant tone when dealing with their critics, and to conflate attempts by debunkers to undermine their claims with both unquestioning acceptance of an “official cover-up” […] and a systematic effort to deprive them of freedom of speech. It goes without saying that in the process the “truthers” set up two straw-men for them to knock down, but then they’re not very good at dealing with tougher critics. The “just asking questions” approach has further advantages to those of a paranoid mindset and a less than scrupulous approach to evidence and facts […]

the claim that one is “just asking questions” is liberating, as it frees the truther of the obligation of actually constructing a coherent alternative theory - based on the evidence at hand - which is more convincing than the “official theory”. Why worry if the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolitions or not? Why worry if the hijackers were patsies or ghosts? Why worry if the Pentagon was hit by a missile or a jumbo jet piloted by remote control? Why worry if the passengers of the four planes are alive or not? […]

9/11 conspiracy theorists and their supporters do not actually outline a scenario which explains how and why the US government (in cahoots with the Israelis, or the military-industrial complex, or whoever else) slaughtered nearly 3,000 people - most of whom were American citizens - in a co-ordinated series of attacks which were then blamed on Arab Islamist terrorists.

Most truthers lack sufficient moral courage to produce a real theory about 9/11 being an ‘inside job’ which combines motive with method and which can be tested against the evidence. Deep down, they know that once they venture into specific claims their case will be torn to shreds, and they will be exposed as ignorant frauds.

it makes the task of a truther an easy one: all he or she … has to do is google to get the appropriate “story” from Prison Planet, 9/11 Blogger, What Really Happened or a similar website. Hey presto, they get what they want: “The FBI said there were no phone calls from AA77!”; “4,000 Jews didn’t turn up to work at the WTC on 9/11!”; “Silverstein ordered the demolition of WTC7!” And so on and so forth.

[edit on 27-9-2009 by mmiichael]

reply to post by weedwhacker


It is starting to smell desperate around here. Out of all the things that have been discussed about the legitimacy of the OS here, you want to pick that apart. Fine, go ahead. Can you pinpoint any part of my case that hangs on what Rumsfeld said? You want to 'correct' it, have a ball. It just demonstrates how unwilling so many of you are to tackle the real questions.

reply to post by mmiichael

9/11 conspiracy theorists and their supporters do not actually outline a scenario which explains how and why the US government (in cahoots with the Israelis, or the military-industrial complex, or whoever else) slaughtered nearly 3,000 people - most of whom were American citizens - in a co-ordinated series of attacks which were then blamed on Arab Islamist terrorists.

Well I don't know the how, but the billions of dollars and the overwhelming support of the American citizens may have been the why.

it makes the task of a truther an easy one: all he or she … has to do is google to get the appropriate “story” from Prison Planet, 9/11 Blogger, What Really Happened or a similar website. Hey presto, they get what they want: “The FBI said there were no phone calls from AA77!”; “4,000 Jews didn’t turn up to work at the WTC on 9/11!”; “Silverstein ordered the demolition of WTC7!” And so on and so forth.

It's not so easy, as I'm sure you can tell by almost any thread you find on ATS.

the claim that one is “just asking questions” is liberating, as it frees the truther of the obligation of actually constructing a coherent alternative theory - based on the evidence at hand - which is more convincing than the “official theory”.

Translation: bend over and take it like a good citizen. Don't ask questions, we will give you the answers. Mike if you have kids, or planning too, when they go to school tell them if the don't know the answer not to ask their teacher questions. They'll come home singing a song about the president, saying "Iraq we've always been at war with Iraq" and next thing you know they'll turn you into the cops for having thoughts and feelings.

Originally posted by pteridine
I discounted that video.

Casual readers to the thread, note how pteridine discounts McGraws own words!!!

pteridine chose to use McGraw as his star witness for the light pole hitting the taxi, but instead, McGraw never says that he saw it happen.

pteridine is putting his fingers in his ears, shutting his eyes and telling us all that it happened, just like he hoped it did.

pteridine has not proven his claim true.

reply to post by mmiichael


Let me see if I read this correctly. "Truthers" are automatically wrong for asking questions because asking questions is a bad thing? There are quite a few US soldiers that died in Iraq. While I cannot speak for all them, I can tell you that at least 3 of them died wishing someone had asked more questions about these weapons of mass destruction they were sent over there to do nothing about.
That sounds like a Sean Hannity diatribe about how only good US citizens do just as they are told and never question anything.

That is really stupid to even bother posting. Hey kids, truthers are all way the hell off because they ask questions. NEVER EVER ask questions unless you are some liberal socialist marxist communist fascist hippy democrat!

Originally posted by pteridine
Tezza can't even prove Melbourne exists.

Casual readers, chuckle along with me at pteridine's waste of server space with his above comment.

pteridine has not substantated his claim that the light pole hit the taxi. He even offered McGraw as proof, despite McGraw himself never stating that he saw the light pole hit the taxi!

pteridine has not substantiated his claim that I am a CIT/P4T drone.

pteridine has wasted server space by claiming that I can't prove that the city I live in exists.

The drivel that flows from pteridine only confirms that he is devoid of the intellect to argue consistently and logically.

[edit on 27-9-2009 by tezzajw]

Originally posted by TheAntiHero420
Translation: bend over and take it like a good citizen. Don't ask questions, we will give you the answers. Mike if you have kids, or planning too, when they go to school tell them if the don't know the answer not to ask their teacher questions. They'll come home singing a song about the president, saying "Iraq we've always been at war with Iraq" and next thing you know they'll turn you into the cops for having thoughts and feelings.

The US government, special interest groups, foreign powers, rob blind the American public. Concerned people try to do something about it.

Helpless hardwired automatons search for bits of minutia, circumstantial and anecdotal data to support looney toons conspiracy theories.

8 years later, where's your documented cited revelatory UNOFFICIAL STORY on paper and being shoved under the nose of legislators.

On Youtube?


M

reply to post by Lillydale


Sorry, Ma'am.

Your insinuation needed clarity, because it plays well into the nonsense promoted by "CIT" --- which is what has prompted this particular thread.

It contributes to the myth....and adds nothing in the search for actual truth, which IS the intent...despite your disparaging of mmichael as well.

You see...ASKING is not the problem here.

Too many of the 'truth movement' are "telling" --- stating their opinions based mostly on starting misconceptions, and misinformation that has blossomed into a certain paradigm, and has become a new "truth".

THEY are the 'emperor' in his new clothes. Because they have more and more sycophantic supporters who are anxious to believe ANYTHING, as long as it comports with their personal 'theories'...and the circus continues.

I've suggested a better approach. Stop distracting the issue with this sort of shenanigans...which is, really, ignoring real evidence that doesn't fit a pre-conceived conclusion. It is not very scientific, it is emotion.

THEN, peel away that nonsense, and focus on activities of the major players. Intel agencies, lack of co-ordination...embarrassment for missing the signs and being arrogant, and ignoring the warnings offered by our friends overseas. Focus on the boobs who let this happen under their noses, because THEY are doing the CYA dance to protect their careeers (what's left of them).

AND, they enjoy it when 'truth movement' diverts attention from them....because most is so outlandish...heck, THEY might be behind most of the disinfo that LEADS to the outlandish 'truth theories' in the first place!!!

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by TheAntiHero420
Translation: bend over and take it like a good citizen. Don't ask questions, we will give you the answers. Mike if you have kids, or planning too, when they go to school tell them if the don't know the answer not to ask their teacher questions. They'll come home singing a song about the president, saying "Iraq we've always been at war with Iraq" and next thing you know they'll turn you into the cops for having thoughts and feelings.

The US government, special interest groups, foreign powers, rob blind the American public. Concerned people try to do something about it.

Helpless hardwired automatons search for bits of minutia, circumstantial and anecdotal data to support looney toons conspiracy theories.

8 years later, where's your documented cited revelatory UNOFFICIAL STORY on paper and being shoved under the nose of legislators.

On Youtube?


M

What are you saying? I'm not a government OFFICIAL I can't put anything under the nose of legislators and if I could you wouldn't want to know what that thing was. Ahh yes, I am a little bit loony.

reply to post by Lillydale


As I recall, this thread is about a “3 year long investigation” by a group of citizens from southern California into the attack at the Pentagon.
In their investigation they “concluded” “unequivocally and irrefutably” that the U.S. Gov´s version of the 9/11 attacks is a “monstrous lie”.
And what did this investigators base their findings on?????
EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS. Let me repeat that, EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS.
What about ALL THE OTHER EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OUT THERE????
(They only take what they want to use.) I REST MY CASE.
About the DNA, I´m afraid you are the ignorant one Lillydale.
How many things in your body can survive a big long fire? Can some bone fragments still have usable DNA data? How about a fraction of your fingernail or some teeth?
In a big crash and fire like this, can there be remains that didn´t burn completely and still have usable information in them? How about belongings? Many belongings provided identities of many of the passengers. Documents, Ids, credit cards, luggage tags , cell phones, and even jewelery. Even a very small fragment of a credit card or a passport can identify a person.
You know, not absolutely everything burned down to ashes.

Originally posted by rush969
reply to post by Lillydale

 

As I recall, this thread is about a “3 year long investigation” by a group of citizens from southern California into the attack at the Pentagon.
In their investigation they “concluded” “unequivocally and irrefutably” that the U.S. Gov´s version of the 9/11 attacks is a “monstrous lie”.
And what did this investigators base their findings on?????
EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS. Let me repeat that, EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS.
What about ALL THE OTHER EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OUT THERE????
(They only take what they want to use.) I REST MY CASE.

So...that is why you can say we are all no-planers???? Pick your case back up.

About the DNA, I´m afraid you are the ignorant one Lillydale.
How many things in your body can survive a big long fire? Can some bone fragments still have usable DNA data? How about a fraction of your fingernail or some teeth?

LOL, no. No they could not have. DNA is very heat sensitive. Besides, the coroner's report does not have any bone fragments or teeth listed as being found either. Sorry you fail.

In a big crash and fire like this, can there be remains that didn´t burn completely and still have usable information in them? How about belongings?

Sure, that can happen but it did not. Not one passenger or airline crew body survived the fire or crash. There were no remains in this crash. Sorry.

Many belongings provided identities of many of the passengers. Documents, Ids, credit cards, luggage tags , cell phones, and even jewelery. Even a very small fragment of a credit card or a passport can identify a person.

We were not talking about identifying who should have been on the plane, we were talking about DNA specifically. You are wandering off.

You know, not absolutely everything burned down to ashes.

Cool, please show me what the coroner failed to find. I am more than open to new information so I would really welcome all your things that survived the explosion at the pentagon.

reply to post by rush969


The eyewitness acounts alone contradict each other. Go read their statements and see if you can peice together a unified story, that isn't contradicting to a single statement. Impossible, yes that nasty word, Impossible. The only way to get a solid story is to cherry pic and that is what has been done by everybody, even you and me and her and him lol.

reply to post by Lillydale


You said there were no remains in the crash.

You sound so certain of this. Why?

Nuclear DNA testing (along with dental records and
fingerprints) of the remains from the victims aboard
American Airline (AA) Flight 77 and within the Pentagon
was useful for identifying 178 of the 183 victims. Five
missing individuals (four within the Pentagon and one
aboard the airplane) could not be identified due to lack of
biological material from the crash.

Go to Page 83 of the report by: S.M. Edson, J.P. Ross, T.J. Parsons and S.M. Barritt

Are you claiming that the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville, MD faked all of their data?



[edit on 27 September 2009 by weedwhacker]

Originally posted by rush969
As I recall, this thread is about a “3 year long investigation” by a group of citizens from southern California into the attack at the Pentagon.
In their investigation they “concluded” “unequivocally and irrefutably” that the U.S. Gov´s version of the 9/11 attacks is a “monstrous lie”.
And what did this investigators base their findings on?????
EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS. Let me repeat that, EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS.
What about ALL THE OTHER EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS OUT THERE????
(They only take what they want to use.) I REST MY CASE.

You have no case. The CIT scam has been outed. You've been duped.

Selective editing ignoring contradictory hard evidence. Manipulation of prompted witnesses. Are a few thousand ordinary people part of a massive government cover-up. Or are there a couple guys trying to cash in on gullibility and ignorance?


Explained here:

To Con a Movement:Exposing CIT's PentaCon 'Magic Show'
911review.com...

Pentagon Flyover Theory: RIP
How the Double Tree video released in 2006 conclusively debunks CIT's flyover theory
arabesque911.blogspot.com...

CIT, Craig Ranke, Aldo Marquis, and the PentaCon Flyover Theory:
Origin, Debate, and the ‘Smoking-Gun’ Anti-Controversy
arabesque911.blogspot.com...

The Pentagon Flight Path Misinformation, Stand-Down, War Games, and the Three Mysterious Planes
arabesque911.blogspot.com...

A Critical Review of ‘The PentaCon - Smoking Gun Version’
arabesque911.blogspot.com...

# 9/11 and the Pentagon Attack: What Eyewitnesses Described
arabesque911.blogspot.com...

Google Earth Exposes Pentagon Flyover Farce
911research.wtc7.net...

Mike

[edit on 27-9-2009 by mmiichael]

reply to post by Lillydale


"Sure, that can happen but it did not. Not one passenger or airline crew body survived the fire or crash. There were no remains in this crash. Sorry."
----Prove it Lilly. You made the statement.

Originally posted by mmiichael
You have no case. The CIT scam has been outed.

mmichael, before you concern yourself with the CIT scam, you better address your own scam.

On page 21 of this thread, you made a claim that passenger bodies were found strapped to airline seats.

You have not proven this true.

Please do so, or issue your retraction.

Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Lillydale

 

"Sure, that can happen but it did not. Not one passenger or airline crew body survived the fire or crash. There were no remains in this crash. Sorry."
----Prove it Lilly. You made the statement.

How exactly do I prove that no bodies were found? I am all ears. You could check the coroner's report for yourself but what the heck, you tell me how to prove something was NOT found.

Originally posted by weedwhacker


Are you claiming that the Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory in Rockville, MD faked all of their data?



[edit on 27 September 2009 by weedwhacker]

That depends, are you claiming that the coroner's report is full of lies when it states that there were no identifiable remains of any passenger or crew from the aircraft?

reply to post by tezzajw


Note mmiichael's post above about lack of moral courage. Perhaps you'd like to contribute your theories on the Pentagon rather than lead cheers and waste server space.

I have provided a witness that saw and described in detail the entire impact sequence of an AA jet at the Pentagon. This makes lamp post collision semantics moot. Even you might be able to figure that out.