*Majestic Energies*[ Unlocking the secrets of energy work, The Kundalini, and Psychic Phenomena]*

Originally posted by phi1618
reply to post by MischeviousElf

 

i disagree. I have studied the ways of the kundalini for a very long time.

Quite, under which lineage, and practitioner then?

In this study have you read the original, and studied the text?

Could you name it, which translation you used (as it is known some where translated incorrectly), and early "western" seekers were given corrupted versions as the true holders did not give it freely so easily to tourists.

What was your experience of the preperations for being ready?

How long did it take you?

Who said besides yourself you were suitable and ready to start?

Or did you start driving without having a test first?

Are you aware of the "real texts" warnings on the trickery of the enrgy if not done properly?

How did you overcome or become aware of those initial "tests" or "teases" for the incorrect way.

That being the desire of the Kundalini to raise itself through its own desire , to use you as a vehicle for its expression when called and awakened, as apposed to controlling the energy yourself.

Energy is wrong, Godess or deity is more apt indeed.

What are your views on the snake like quality of it?

anything can be dangerous, a bottle cap can be dangerous if you try to swallow it.

Indeed which is why we do not allow certain sized objects to be given to children.

With proper energy work and enought time people will be able to open their kundalini. This guide is not only meant to help people open their kundalini energy, but also its purpose is prepair them to open their Kundalini.

You have made that obvious, and it is very apparent.

Why do you want so many people to open "their Kundalini" after you suggest it?

Kundalini isnt something that reveals itself if one is not ready to accept it, just liek an athlete cannot go to the olympics without first proving himself/herself in other competitions and through rigorous training.

I totally disagree so do the texts and teachings.

Once wakened from its sleep, it has no other self desire than its own raising and penetration, like the lust a man has to penetrate, which can be based on respect and love IF the ego is controlled or base energy and such like when drunk....

Oh my but what a hangover eh, and look what might be given birth to.

Like having a powerfull dog in the house if you do not show it who is boss it will run circles around you.

please do not bring this into this thread,

The Truth and not pop new age recklessness, why on earth not?

the fear will impede peoples progress, especially unfounded fears.

Oh trust me what I say is not unfounded, but spoken from an experience, study and standing way beyond what many would believe on ATs

Indeed some fear is neccesary sometimes in life, if I have created some fear in you with the consequences maybe you will think more next time in posting on the web with no mention of the dangers, whilst young, unbalanced and unsuiatable might read.

In others before approaching this, again I hope they understand and prepare themselves in a way fitting for a safe and true awakening. And hopefully only approach this with respect caution, and realise it is a lifelong path that takes many years training, and a face to face teacher who you trust.

Real spiritual, mental and physical dangers do lie in this practise if done incorrectly, at the wrong time in their life, for the wrong reason or with pre existing dispositions.

Elf.

[edit on 29-8-2009 by MischeviousElf]

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Ah, no disrespect intended, but our views of the nature of Kundalini differ. It seems to me as if your looking at texts and taking it literally, when in fact reading means nothing. The nature of any metaphysical technique and substance differences for practitioner to practitioner.

Its important to realize and understand its nature for yourself. How else do you think those who wrote the book knew this knowledge.

This thread, as stated in the first paragraph is based on personal experience and teaching conveyed to me from the various teachers i have be privileged to learn from.

I have read some books on the topic, but always took their teachings with a grain of salt. What good is reading about how to walk a path? you must walk it to understand it.

that is the purpose of this thread. This thread was created based on the questions i received from my previous thread. Just like the next one will be based around questions and relevant topics from this thread.

for me personally raising the Kundalini was amazing, in an effort to share this with people willing to experience it i posted this thread. Its that simple.

People can look into this more if they wish, this thread was meant to open up the possibilities.

No harm intended, just personal growth and personal realization. Beyond that everything thing else is trivial.

This being said, the neck technique im attempting to get out is not a widely know technique, with in which lies to secret to control the Kundalini. I would be surprised if there is any mention to it within any text or anywhere online...except this thread. It was passed down to me thought verbal tradition.

In sharing this knowledge i hope to help people, not only to come to their own conclusions but their own truths.

i hope this answered some of your questions, if you have more which i failed to address please reply


[edit on 29-8-2009 by phi1618]

Originally posted by berrygurrl
reply to post by phi1618

 

I found some more symptoms that people might be able to relate to with kundalini awakening...

The following are common manifestations of the risen Kundalini:

* Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms.

* Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body

* Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations

* Intense heat or cold

* Involuntary bodily movements (occur more often during meditation, rest or sleep): jerking, tremors, shaking; feeling an inner force pushing one into postures or moving one's body in unusual ways. (May be misdiagnosed as epilepsy, restless legs syndrome (RLS), or PLMD.)

* Alterations in eating and sleeping patterns

* Episodes of extreme hyperactivity or, conversely, overwhelming fatigue (some CFS victims are experiencing Kundalini awakening)

* Intensified or diminished sexual desires

* Headaches, pressures within the skull

* Racing heartbeat, pains in the chest

* Digestive system problems

* Numbness or pain in the limbs (particularly the left foot and leg)

* Pains and blockages anywhere; often in the back and neck (Many cases of FMS are Kundalini-related.)

* Emotional outbursts; rapid mood shifts; seemingly unprovoked or excessive episodes of grief, fear, rage, depression

* Spontaneous vocalizations (including laughing and weeping) -- are as unintentional and uncontrollable as hiccoughs

* Hearing an inner sound or sounds, classically described as a flute, drum, waterfall, birds singing, bees buzzing but which may also sound like roaring, whooshing, or thunderous noises or like ringing in the ears.

* Mental confusion; difficulty concentrating

* Altered states of consciousness: heightened awareness; spontaneous trance states; mystical experiences (if the individual's prior belief system is too threatened by these, they can lead to bouts of psychosis or self-grandiosity)

* Heat, strange activity, and/or blissful sensations in the head, particularly in the crown area.

* Ecstasy, bliss and intervals of tremendous joy, love, peace and compassion

* Psychic experiences: extrasensory perception; out-of-body experiences; pastlife memories; astral travel; direct awareness of auras and chakras; contact with spirit guides through inner voices, dreams or visions; healing powers

* Increased creativity: new interests in self-expression and spiritual communication through music, art, poetry, etc.

* Intensified understanding and sensitivity: insight into one's own essence; deeper understanding of spiritual truths; exquisite awareness of one's environment (including "vibes" from others)


* Enlightenment experiences: direct Knowing of a more expansive reality; transcendent awareness

Source: www.elcollie.com...

not to be rude...but basically you named almost EVERYTHING that can happen to you, when your alive or just laying down period. I dont really see how the above helps, i feel it MORESO confuses me than anything. Lol i experience some or most of those whenever i do anything in life...as im sure others

BTW....picturing a clock in your mind moving bit by bit...wow...within ONE MINUTE (obviously i counted) i got into such a deep trance. Was literally amazing

Edit to remove long post,

And just to say

All should approach this with respect, caution and a realisation it will profoundly change your internal and external world.

If you dont have the strength of mind to watch your breath for 20 minutes first with no other thoughts or distractions I would suggest leave it alone.

If as said you cant do that, meditate till you can then the "fruits" of such an experience will far outway any experiences of Kundalini work and your Chakra and therefore Kundali system will arise naturally, cleanly and safely.

Elf

[edit on 30-8-2009 by MischeviousElf]

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
If you dont have the strength of mind to watch your breath for 20 minutes first with no other thoughts or distractions I would suggest leave it alone.

Most people couldn't do this, even those who have raised Kundalini probably might not.

If we are going to focus on something, such as our breath, then why not focus on the processes that can work. It will save years of energy learning how to be mentally silent.

As you know when we focus on our practice/ methods we are using, simply focusing and doing, then the chatter fades into the background. More practice and it is no longer a symptom of not focusing.

I certainy don't suggest for all comers to try raising Kundalini for an initial enlightenment experience as many will not be suited to it just yet. And, I do think Pre-requisite #1 is to have access to the higher-self or a person who knows the experience and can guide where necessary.

At the same time I see no reason why anyone cannot experiment with feeling and directing the energy within them anyway. It is great practice and provides personal 'proofs' for the experiencer, as well as showing them they really are a powerful being, even without raised Kundalini.

Originally posted by kaskade
BTW....picturing a clock in your mind moving bit by bit...wow...within ONE MINUTE (obviously i counted) i got into such a deep trance. Was literally amazing

Its a very good technique at focusing the mind, personally i picture a golden clock

Qigong master Chunyi Lin permanently magnetized my pineal gland -- in his Level 3 he touches your forehead. Since I had trained intensely this laser-bliss went to the center of my brain. Even if I don't sit in full-lotus my brain remains magnetized and during the full-moon the meditation is 10 times stronger -- my skull has this intense magnetic bliss pressure from the pineal gland.

Also the vagus nerve from my stomach transduces serotonin and anaerobic bacteria up to my pineal gland where it is ionized and shot out of my pineal gland as electromagnetic fields for healing energy and paranormal powers.

Because of this permanent opening of my chakras I can't eat normal food -- I do -- but I have to eat garlic to kill off the anaerobic bacteria going to my brain. Spiritual training was first adapted for a famine diet! So it goes the opposite of civilzation -- that's why there's monasteries, etc.

I'm still not adapted to mainstream civilization and the highest level of Freemasonry, as per Professor Hugh B. Urban, is to sit in full-lotus, just like the qigong masters of springforestqigong.com...

So to answer your question -- I went 8 days on just half a glass of water -- I transcended death, saw dead spirits, and now that I'm back it's like I'm the undead. There is no way to turn off the chakras once you become a Number 4 person, as Gurdjieff details. The center of gravity is permanently in the brain.

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More to come in later threads please stay tuned

Yes please!

P.L.U.R.I
-B.Morrison

I've been meditating for about 4 months. I got exposed through a self hypnosis cd trying to quit smoking. Although I never quit, I enjoyed the calming effect of controlled breathing and picturing myself in a grassy field on a sunny day.

I've been more intuitive than the average person and like many on ATS, my intuition tells me something is happening. My emotions have run the gamut from stockpiling food last year and being consumed with dread to a more recent feeling that I shall somehow know what to do when the time comes.

I have had chance meetings with a couple of very interesting people who told me I am not who I think I am.

My problem is that I've seemed to have hit a wall in my meditation. It is difficult to keep stray thoughts out of my head. I begin to see a white spinning ball at the base of my feet but it is fleeting. I jump at the slightest sound when I meditate and feel very vunerable.

Any suggestions for a complete beginner? I feel a powerful drive that this is very, very important and I can't explain why.its much more than a common desire to find peace for 30 minutes a day.I'm driven to expand my idea of who I am and why I'm here. Please help me.

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Here a good way to build concentration and focus.

While in meditation tell yourself you will focus on not breaking focus ..then do this.

each noise as it comes up focus on it and tune it out..one by one...slowly....tune....everything....out.......

practice meditation with alot of noise also helps(such as music). You dont get stronger by lifting stuffed animals

I find it fascinating how many people there are feeling the pull. Can you feel it? Our solar system and everything in it is changing. Can not feel something is different?

I agree with Phi.

The best way for me is to focus on something else. Visualization and body/energy sensations.

One of the most ancient forms of meditation is breath awareness.
Focus on your breathing. If you desire a trance state imagine that with every exhale your body sinks a bit and relaxes more and more. When the desired state is achieved (trance depth) I visualize energy moving from above and below flowing through me in sync with my breathing. The most important thing here is you are trying to actually 'feel' the energy passing up and down the body with the breath.

This will do many things at once. You have relaxed the body. You have entered an altered state. You have begun energy work within the body. All these will be making changes to YOU even if you are not consciously aware.

Speaking of feeling the pull qigong master Chunyi Lin says the full moon energy is 10 times stronger than normal meditation and that the full moon energy is stronger 3 nights before the full moon. Here's my report back from yesterday's astral chakra energy experience:

Let's repeat yesterday's experience. I'm innocently reading at a picnic table on a hill in a park. I see a young couple walking towards me from the bottom of the hill. They have a blanket but I think maybe they want to use the picnic table (the only one in the park) so I grab my stuff, walk with my back to them, and sit down at about 20 meters away.

When I look up from my book, now reading on the ground, the female has chosen to sit on the ground directly in line with my eyesight. The electromagnetic energy from my pineal gland begins shooting into her but since I'm not in full-lotus it's not that intense. I keep reading but the mutual attraction keeps building and now she has her legs up with her backside directly centered in line with my eyes.

So after a while of reading I go into full-lotus and the energy level I shoot into her intensifies, as I keep reading. There's the O at a D -- the psychic mutual climax. Along with that there's the transduction of serotonin and anaerobic bacteria (#) into my brain from my lower body. As the energy is building to the second O at a D I'm thinking that not only is she being ballsy positioning herself so blatantly at me right in front of her boyfriend, but now they can smell my #.

I keep reading but when I look up next she has repositioned herself so she's spread eagle on her stomach with, again, her nether-region directly in line with my third eye energy. I haven't moved but since the energy has intensified after the O at a D the next psychic mutual climax is stronger. So I think well if that's what she wants and I focus the energy into her for maybe 30 seconds and then the second climax happens.

Soon after this she moves so that she is no longer in view with me and her boyfriend definitely seems to have noticed the energy. Meanwhile I smell like # but I've released a lot of stress, my brain is more magnetized and the book I'm reading is excellent -- on I.G. Farben -- the 4th largest corporation in the world, as a crucial part of the Nazis. It's a smooth, fast read, unlike the Henry Morgan biography I just finished. Very excellent read but the writing style was SLOW. The book took almost a week to finish.

So now I move farther back so that they don't have to deal with my # smell. It depends on the wind of course but the smell carries pretty far and I don't have any garlic on me. The O at a D electromagnetic energy though is NOT constricted by the wind -- I tested this very directly earlier this summer.

Once again the female is in view but this time I'm twice as far away and I'm reading with the book in front of my face so I'm not staring. The O at a D energy goes through books, walls, ceilings but it's best focused directly. So that if a female is on the floor above or in the room next door the O at a D happens more easily if the female is directly in line or close to it -- the energy is omnidirectional. So if a female sits behind me when I'm in a booth and she's in a booth and we're back to back then the O at a D happens from the pineal gland out the back of my head.

Anyway I'm reading away as the third O at a D is building up quickly. The third O at a D is the "real" one -- the first two are build-ups. I'm talking from the female internal climax vagus nerve perspective. The third O at a D is like the male's first climax. I'm not thinking about this though -- I'm enjoying my book but the energy is intensifying as I'm in full-lotus. My skull is cracking as the blockages clear out.

BTW my coworker asked me how I can read so much -- and that's how -- the O at a D's clear out any stress from the information clogging my brain. Being "possessed" by information means that there's an emotional imbalance -- that you are processing and transforming the information you've taken in. My coworker asked: "All this reading, doesn't it change you?" Yes, of course.

I glance over my book and I notice that the male has now lined up so that his nether region is right behind the females and now I'm shooting energy into him just as much as the female. I have a quick thought -- oh now he's going to get charged up and he'll want to have sex. How do I know this? Because that's the typical modern male reaction after I charge them up -- ejaculation. And since the female has been forward with me, all the more with him.

But I quickly dismiss the thought -- we're in a park in public. It would be absurd. I continue reading and get lost in my book. I couple minutes later I glance up and to my shock the male is now on top of the female thrusting up and down!

I quickly and immediately look back into my book. They're having sex right in front of me, knowing full well that I'm in direct line of view with them. There's another guy sitting on a bench to my right about 15 feet from me but he's facing the other direction and doesn't see what's happening.

So the three of us all have a mutual climax. Strange but true. Then next when I look up after a couple minutes they're now playing frisbee! haha. Frolicking in post-coital bliss. The female has her backside to me so once again the energy is shooting into her. I'm thinking that guy only lasted one time but I'm ready to keep going.

Right as the 4th O at a D happens they decide to leave and the female stands now facing me, now looking at me and me at her while she waits for her boyfriend. The 4th O at a D is what I've called the "come down" O at a D because it's again not a full climax, like a typical male climax, but it also doesn't have to be a build up to the 2nd full climax spike. Which would be 6 mutual climaxes for you math geeks out there -- but who's counting? My last ex-girlfriend told me she once had 50 climaxes in a row. Then I learned this is also a fad on Howard Stern. It's not the same as shooting electromagnetic energy into a person but it's related since it's based on the female internal climax.

Anyway I'm pondering what I just saw -- public sex. I didn't want to see the guy but the female had her skirt up. It was provocative to say the least. Obviously the couple didn't have a problem with me being in their space. In fact quite the opposite -- the female knew exactly what I was contributing to the scenario and she worked it. She looked at me and I at her and we knew. That's just how it is. Meanwhile I had some wetness -- after the third O at a D there is some loss of the clear fluid. I kept reading but then soon after cleaned out my mouth with soap and went to buy garlic and then some shoes.

When I got to work, as usual, even though I wasn't in full-lotus my brain now magnetized from the O at a Ds, the electromagnetic energy was sucked out of my pineal gland into my coworkers. I kept eating garlic as the pineal gland also pulled up the electrochemical energy in my lower body -- the serotonin bliss and the # smell -- via the vagus nerve on the right side of the neck.

Finally I went down stairs where I'm directly below my coworkers. I went into full-lotus and then had another couple O at a Ds with the females above me. Then I took another crap. I ate more garlic. My body was clearing out. I had cleared out my body that morning -- with first some coffee and then half a bunch of kale and a bunch of beet greens. Pulverized in a Vitamix blender. The cellulose fiber clears you out quickly. But then after biking a few miles towards work I had dumpster-dived food and ended up with donuts and egg sandwiches with some ham. Energy but dirty energy to be sure. I had only half a bulb of garlic for that food and so brought three bulbs of garlic to work.

The magnetic bliss in my brain was overwhelmingly strong last night. I kept going to the bathroom, clearing out the waste, eating more garlic, drinking water, and the electromagnetic energy kept being pulled into my coworkers. But the electromagnetic intensity was way stronger than usual.

Something was different so I finally realized that it must be the full moon. A coworker said bye to me. He was clocking out. I asked him if he knew when the full moon was. He thought I was crazy but he didn't say so - just responded no. I asked him how was Honduras. He said to read:

counterpunch.com...

where he has a new article on Honduras. Joe. He's a "real" activist -- one of the only ones at work. Meaning he is educated enough to apply his critical thinking for problem solving in politics. That's real activism. So he was helping out democracynow.org... with spanish translations and he's been volunteering in Honduras.

We talked about paranoia. He said he's being getting weird emails that he thinks are from the CIA. He said his activist friend in Honduras was interrogated by the FBI in the airport! I asked him if he gets paid for his writing. He said no. I said I have lots of articles online but I've never been paid. I said I was paid when I worked for the U of MN Daily but I outed a Nazi and then was threatened and censored. He said he remembers me telling him that (I'm pretty sure Joe is Jewish but I only remembered that after I mentioned the Nazi deal). I said it's good to be paranoid. I said that the Argentinians trained the Hondurans and the Nazis trained the Argentinians. He said the Hondurans were trained at the School of the Americas (the military massacre school in the U.S. for Latino juntas). I said yeah CIA, Nazis -- they're the same. He agreed. I said the FBI messed with me as well and that they use sex blackmail.

I'm eating garlic while we're talking but still the # smell escapes a bit and anyway Joe is leaving; so he does. My other coworker had asked me if I knew about "African Fractals" and how it's a circle within a circle within a circle or a square within a square within a square. He's African-American. So I point out that fractals are Western science. I ask him do they use the irrational number? He says yeah - it's a white guy teaching this. Then when I resubmit my "Against Archytas" paper -- Walter said he'd get back to me. haha. Anyway it ends with me stating how I revealed the secret of why 2/3 was sacred in Egypt. So that was a strange synchronicity and I point that out to my coworker.

His reaction: #! I pop some garlic in my mouth. haha.

He's playing African-American qigong master Jim Nance's music -- his "world blues" c.d. that I bought from him. I used to play "world blues" with this street musician flutist who got disability money (free food and rent) because he had lead poisoning growing up in New Bedford Massachusetts. He's African -- we'll Cape Verdean -- Portugese actually. And then he moved back to Boston a long time ago but our music got reviewed in Germany! Free jazz improv.

Then I tell my African-American coworker that it was just discovered that white people are only 5,300 years old! That being white is a genetic mutation from farming and before that Northern Europeans were dark-skinned. I say there was a recent Nat. Geo. show with a black dude and he was told his DNA said he's from Europe. The black dude was shocked -- so was my coworker! I said "remember when you said white people came from the Ice Ages?" I said actually being white is only 5,300 years old and before that we ate fish -- it's because farming causes a Vitamin D deficiency. A real shocker for an Afrocentric activist. His response: So you're my brother more than ever! haha.

Anyway I finally check the calendar -- amazingly I'm right. 3 nights before the full moon. The energy in my brain keeps getting more and more magnetized that I can barely have any left-brain focus. I talk about how language and writing actually go against shamanism. My friend says but isn't writing magic? I say well it is but in the opposite sense -- to be used for mass ritual sacrifice along with technology.

I tell him that indeed it is 3 nights before the full moon and Chunyi Lin said the energy is 10 times stronger before the full moon. I say see -- "ask Joe" -- I asked him if it was the full moon because the energy was so strong in my brain. My coworker asks is that the "Goddess Cult"? -- I laugh yeah it's a cult -- and then say actually there's no turning back. Then I mention how when Jim Nance was driving across the U.S. he had this goddess vision and then when he went to Egypt the same goddess almost killed him in a temple.

My coworker, the African-American, he's a manager. He's at the computer and he states: "Joe didn't check out!" I say -- "See I was talking to Joe right when he was clocking out at the computer. I distracted him." And so there it was proof, or at least circumstantial evidence, that I had asked Joe about the full moon before I knew -- because the electromagnetic pressure was so overwhelming.

On the way home I end up dumpster-diving again -- at this point I've cleared out all the waste from my body and I've ate 3 BULBS of garlic. I'm hungry from biking 5 miles in the cool weather. Soon we'll get freezing weather overnight. I've biked all winter in subzero snow for the past 7 years or so. Anyway I hit the "jackpot" meaning that there's a certain type of disposal at a certain chain of stores where they throw out perfectly good sandwiches -- double-deck three meat sandwiches, etc. It's the mother-load. I just quickly put some crammed in my jeans as time is of the essence. The cops have chased me from this dumpster and there's a lot of crack dealers across the street.

I've gone professional in the past month or so and it's time to ween myself. Security cameras have appeared in front of dumpsters that previously had been my daily cache. Besides smelling like # all the time is not too conducive for civilization.

Speaking of which as I biked home a month ago I heard "pop pop pop!" I thought it was fire crackers. Then I saw, half a block away, a young black male with a gun held up, aimed, and three other young black males running away. I was on my bike and got turned around, slowly and awkardly, meanwhile the man with the gun could easily see me as I could him. I wasn't able to check if he had seen me but I could have been shot as I biked away.

As I'm half a block away suddenly I realized that I had a dream EXACTLY THE SAME as what had just happened. There's a marshy area right next to the sidewalk I had turned on and so the marsh separated me from the man with the gun. It was a memorable dream and after I had it -- a traumatic dream being shot at -- I asked myself why did I have that dream. The dream was a few years ago!

I've had many precognitive dreams and one I wrote down in detail. It came true three years later. The question is that in deep meditation if we can tap into our own future so that when it happens the emotional intensity is not so traumatic -- if we can be prophets -- then who are we exactly? What is free will?

Why is the Moon Energy so strong? Yet when strong enough it bends spacetime! It's automatic now. I turned it off a bit with meat sandwiches. Food shuts down the third eye but makes me smell like #. The food then turns into electromagnetic energy and returns to the Moon. So the solar energy is electromagnetic while the lunar is electrochemical yet when the moon is full the electromagnetic solar energy feeds the moon "spirit" and spacetime is bent. The moon is the reflection of the female formless awareness.

The Goddess Cult -- the Mendacity of the Moon. Nature is in control.

About 18 yeas ago, I've now recently recalled, had been given three opaque 6 sided crystals of 3 different colors. One was purple or violet, one was red or rose colored and the 3rd was white.

These crystals were also cut at an angle on the ends to form a diamond shape, like some crystals. These cuts were parallel and the 3 crystals could than be placed end to end. I'm not sure about the degree of the angle.

The last or white one was for some reason; broken in half. Maybe this also represents a disconnect or the pineal gland? David Wilcock had mentioned the pineal gland has been fractured in people with schizophrenia. Maybe some people can't handle higher energies due to health and or environmental reasons?

What was even more interesting; was that the one who brought them was a darker, taller and older grey. I had these in my tool box for many years not recalling where they had come from until long after the tool box was stolen.

They were more likely made with commonly known materials, so would have likely been debunked as fakes or useless as proof.

Bu the story is interesting anyway. I hadn't realized the connections until I'd seen information such as with this thread topic. I've mentioned this here before, but with little or no replies and as connections to aliens etc.

It's now also very interesting how some of these pieces fall into place here on this site as if planned that way. I'm soooo slow. Maybe that's from having been dumbed down most of my life by unknowns.

Someone has been systematically interfering with our progress and with disclosure.

There are likely many who've been chosen for disclosure on various topics such as this one.

If the preceeding two posts are examples of enlightenment it sounds as if extreme caution is warranted.

It reminds me of an experience with a particular fungus where for a moment I was endowed with extreme clarity. It was overwhelming. I prayed for a return to ignorance because my mind was not mature enough to integrate comprehending everything about everything.

After ten minutes of praying on my knees, I was restored. Are schizophrenic symptoms common with a release of the kundalini? I am not kidding.

Originally posted by zarp3333
If the preceeding two posts are examples of enlightenment it sounds as if extreme caution is warranted.

It reminds me of an experience with a particular fungus where for a moment I was endowed with extreme clarity. It was overwhelming. I prayed for a return to ignorance because my mind was not mature enough to integrate comprehending everything about everything.

After ten minutes of praying on my knees, I was restored. Are schizophrenic symptoms common with a release of the kundalini? I am not kidding.

And no doubt that mushroom was also thinking; " WTH did I get myself into now?" Takes one to know one as they say.

Pardon me if I insulted anyone. It was not my intention. I should have started out with a thank you. Focusing on the noises works and the suggestions on visualization helped too.

Try to imagine how far out this topic may appear to the unintiated and western educated.

The potential is fascinating and very seductive. Reading this thread makes me feel like a child who has found a bow and rod for starting fires. It requires much practice and perserverance to start a fire using such tools but without respect...

thanks to those who have shared.

Here's a post I did on schizophrenia 5 years ago -- from my old blog at

gnn.tv...

And here's a more recent one where I mention Professor Robert Sapolsky's take on schizophrenia and shamanism. Enjoy!

druhempel.gnn.tv...



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[edit on 2-9-2009 by drew hempel]

Amazing post. I realize there are a lot of replies, but if you get the chance to answer, I have a few questions

I have always been fascinated with the ideas of spirituality, the energies inside our bodies, meditation, OBE unduction, etc. Unfortunately I can't even come close to meditation as I quite simply cannot get my brain to stop distracting me with images and soundsm no matter how hard I try (or don't try, whichever way you look at it).

What I CAN do, whether it makes any difference, is create a strange sensation in my body on command that almost feels like im about to come out of my body (I've tried to induce an OBE, but have never been successful). It's very hard to describe how I do this...the best way I can put it is, I sort of "trick" my muscles throughout my body and make myself feel like I am straining hard to move them but at the same time do not move them at all. I'm sorry if that's hard to understand, it's very very hard to describe lol. But sometimes when I am lying down I try this and I get a very strange sensation (it almost feels like I am falling, like on a big drop on a rollercoaster). Do you know what this is, or have you heard of people doing what I am doing?

Also another weird occurance that I have always wondered about is, sometimes when I smell a certain smell, or walk into a certain room (for some reason it's usually a very small one like a closet), I am blasted with a similar strange sensation so strong that sometimes it almost makes me have to sit down. I always get a slight suspicion that it is somehow linked to a certain memory that I cannot recall.

I have always had a feeling that these are both somehow connected with spirituality in some way, is there anything you can tell me about them? You seem to know a lot about the subject. Sorry about the long post

Great Post!
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I was going to post something simular but you answered all my questions. Does it matter if your sitting up or laying down while meditating?