God Commands You To Kill Gays

so i guess you just made me win this conversation ?
i am ignored ?

so you ignore, that what speaks from one ?
that what speaks from your god ?
love ?

i never give up on anything or anyone,
thats why you can run away as far you want,
i'll beat you one day, because you are wrong.
if you would have this character,
then you can judge others,
but you wouldn't , because the pain
of finding truth would kill you so much,
that you would want to take away this pain
from others.

until now you talk ignorance.
even if you run away.

come back, and do a serious discussion,
instead of screaming and running,
and reacting on honor, which is okay,
as long your honor can admit stuff too.



[edit on 2-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]

For Stylez, Bro, I am not sure where you are going with this, I'd like to read more of your posts, but they are too short. Maybe you can start a new thread and write your entire belief system so I can have a better understanding. I am not sure if you've stated what you belief system is... Sorry for my confusion bro, this is not an attack, I am seriously asking.

From what I understand from your posts: (I apologize ahead of time if I am off base.)

1. First you assume that all Homosexuals don't believe in God, is that fare to say?

Do all robbers, thieves, adulterers DON'T believe in God or are not Christians?

From what I understand, nowhere did God say that homosexuality is a deadly sin that requires death. It does state that homosexuality is a sin such as robbery, adultery and such... But we are all forgiven...


Next, you are condemning me for not setting the Gay community straight? Bro, I can only lead by example. You can talk/write until your head falls off, only the person who you think needs straightened out will decide to make a change...

It's all about acting on the sin.

I sin, and boy do I try not to sin, it is hard, and at times I do fall again, and again and again....

Okay here is my take on this and I sure hope I am making sense.

1. I travel for my job all over the USA, which requires me to stay in Hotels, 3 to 4 nights a week. Do I have a chance to cheat on my wife with other ladies knowing I can get away with it? YES, the opportunity is most definitely there. NOW, do I act on it? NO!

2. Have I ever been so mad at a person that I could just hurt them real bad, even to the point of death? YES. NOW, do I act on it? NO!

3. Have I ever stolen anything, yes when I was kid... Do have the opportunity to steal now? YES, do I act on it NO...

4. My point about homosexuality to me, "AGAIN I SAY TO ME" is that it is a sexual desire that should not be acted on. Is being gay a biological thing. I think not (this is where my wife and I differ), but some say other wise. Only the Gay person "themselves" will make the final decision to keep acting on it, or not. When my gay friends ask me if I agree with their gay life style, I am honest and I say no... We go into our debate and we just tend to drop it after about an hour...

Well Stylez, I see you are a new member and you are an eager beaver to post stuff and I will keep up on your postings...

I am still not sure where you are coming from?

Are you a Christian? Are you for the person who wants to kill Gay's?

in the gospel there is no mention about homosexuality,
read the original texts and the torah, and you dont even have to care
about loving the sinner, hating the sin.

the only sin is the sin against the holy spirit,
and the spirit is truth, one with god, not seperated,
it means grow or ignore.




[edit on 2-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]

Please explain: How do you sin against the Holy Spirit?

Question for pasttheclouds:

Are you saying that there is no accountability for the sins we act on and don't repent for?

Originally posted by syrinx2112
Please explain: How do you sin against the Holy Spirit?

In a nutshell, sin is sin which is disobedience to Gods will.

look, god can not be divided..

christian doctrine teaches the trinity,
which is partly correct, partly wrong.

why ? you can not contradict your own scriptures,
if you build your beliefs on that scripture

so, what scriptures really say is:
GOD IS ONE
the son said : i am one with the father, he didnt say i am not the father,
he said i am one with the father.

when god exsist he is the truth, sohis spirit is everything as one as truth.

This is Jacobs stone,
a stone with seven eyes, god can put on many faces, they still stay one.

There is no trinity, but there are many faces.

The spirit means truth will come towards you,
and you grow or don't
when you don't you act against the holy spirit
or against truth
and you do the sin, which is not sin, but choice,
against the holy spirit.

An atheist that searches truth is a believer,
that is the gospel,
god doesnt ask children to see the full picture,
only that they grow.

truth logically to be free, can not be subject to anything,
there logic makes god one with absolute truth.



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“I am the LORD; and there is none else” Isaiah 45,22

Hear, Israel: the Lord is our God; God is one: Deuteronomy 6:4

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength. Deuteronomy 6:4-5

“For the Father judges no one, but he has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn’t honor the Son doesn’t honor the Father who sent him.” John 5:22-23

“Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does likewise John 5:19

"But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set. John 5:45

“Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged. For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. Matthew 7:1-2


[edit on 2-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]

Originally posted by syrinx2112
For Stylez, Bro, I am not sure where you are going with this, I'd like to read more of your posts, but they are too short. Maybe you can start a new thread and write your entire belief system so I can have a better understanding. I am not sure if you've stated what you belief system is... Sorry for my confusion bro, this is not an attack, I am seriously asking.

From what I understand from your posts: (I apologize ahead of time if I am off base.)

They are too short? Surely you're being facetious right?
I don't have time for this guy, if you're serious I'll consider it but right now, I think I'm the target of some of the games I have seen played here when a group or certain set of individuals don't like the truth, a certain philosopy, ideology, sexual orientation, or animal race. They get reinforcemrents and either try getting someone to go over the edge in a bait em bash em and ban em play or wear them out.

I think I have been perfectly clear on where I stand with this minister. and Hunka Hunkas double standards for writing the op.

1. First you assume that all Homosexuals don't believe in God, is that fare to say?

Absolutley not fair to say no.

Do all robbers, thieves, adulterers DON'T believe in God or are not Christians?

By their fruits you shall no them. Just because someone says he is doesn't mean he is, or just because he is gay doesn't mean he isn't a Christian. My best friend was a gay pastor who struggled with that all his life and by the grace of God there go I. That's about the best way I can explain it.

From what I understand, nowhere did God say that homosexuality is a deadly sin that requires death. It does state that homosexuality is a sin such as robbery, adultery and such... But we are all forgiven...

Christ came for "those he came to save" that doesn't mean un-repentant sinners.

Next, you are condemning me for not setting the Gay community straight? Bro, I can only lead by example. You can talk/write until your head falls off, only the person who you think needs straightened out will decide to make a change...

I have NOT condemned you or anyone else and I take it as a personal afront you would even suggest it. Hell I don't even KNOW you pal. This is the first posts I've seen of yours.

It's all about acting on the sin.

Ok

I sin, and boy do I try not to sin, it is hard, and at times I do fall again, and again and again....

Ok

Okay here is my take on this and I sure hope I am making sense.

1. I travel for my job all over the USA, which requires me to stay in Hotels, 3 to 4 nights a week. Do I have a chance to cheat on my wife with other ladies knowing I can get away with it? YES, the opportunity is most definitely there. NOW, do I act on it? NO!

Ok

2. Have I ever been so mad at a person that I could just hurt them real bad, even to the point of death? YES. NOW, do I act on it? NO!

Yeah, some people are alive today simply because it is illegal to kill them LOL but whats your point?

3. Have I ever stolen anything, yes when I was kid... Do have the opportunity to steal now? YES, do I act on it NO...

*sigh*

4. My point about homosexuality to me, "AGAIN I SAY TO ME" is that it is a sexual desire that should not be acted on. Is being gay a biological thing. I think not (this is where my wife and I differ), but some say other wise. Only the Gay person "themselves" will make the final decision to keep acting on it, or not. When my gay friends ask me if I agree with their gay life style, I am honest and I say no... We go into our debate and we just tend to drop it after about an hour...

I don't believe gay is a species, a race or any other kind of class distinction I think it is a thorn in there flesh and that thorn is what many of us wrestle with everyday. They may be different they may be easier than others but it is not something we are but is what we do. If you were talking about over eaters, they say that's genetic too and eating is something we MUST do but not having sex isn't going to kill anyone but thinking it must be given satisfaction by making excuses to continue in any sin what ever it is can cost you your mortal soul

Are you a Christian? Are you for the person who wants to kill Gay's?

Yes and no








[edit on 2-9-2009 by Stylez]

Originally posted by pasttheclouds
look, god can not be divided..

christian doctrine teaches the trinity,
which is partly correct, partly wrong.

why ? you can not contradict your own scriptures,
if you build your beliefs on that scripture

You have a misunderstanding of the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity does NOT divide God.

Please tell me what the doctrine states?

reply to post by TangoVooDoo


ah so, you agree with me that a searching atheist
is saved ?

i think you don't, if you are a christian in the classical sense,
if not, then this is not for you.

if the trinity is divided, then you can say, if you don't believe
in jesus you have the chance to miss salvation.

if the trinity is one, then it makes everyone who searches
the son as one with the father as being truth
a believer, including those that do not believe in god.

Originally posted by TangoVooDoo

Originally posted by pasttheclouds
look, god can not be divided..

christian doctrine teaches the trinity,
which is partly correct, partly wrong.

why ? you can not contradict your own scriptures,
if you build your beliefs on that scripture

You have a misunderstanding of the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity does NOT divide God.

Please tell me what the doctrine states?

I take it you have taken up my defense against pastiecloudies ignorance.
I think that is worth a a sincere Thank you and appreciation so you have mine. I also think you're wasting your time, you see, you and I still know we have lots to learn but pastie, he thinks he already knows it all.

He came in here all knowing saying lil tid bits of one lined sentences repeating over and over asking if we heard him demanding we give him attention and the biggest mistake I made was giving him that attention.

He can't begin to grasp the concept of the triune God and their is not much chance his ego and his constant innuendos he is a specially gifted prophet of some sort will allow him the humble disposition to even consider that he is only undermining present efforts by Christians arguing with them and not the enemy for he thinks WE are the enemy.

I think it's kinda silly myself but your willing to try. I don't have time for arguing with people so full of themselves they think they know me better than I do telling me who I hate, no insisting I do.

It's like arguing with a mind reader

To Pasttheclouds: I appreciate your posts, I see where you are going. Look what Martha says in the last paragraph below, I get goose bumps when I read this. Thank you for your points!! I so appreciate them...

Is Jesus God? How he described himself:

Jesus therefore said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world." They said therefore to Him, "Lord, evermore give us this bread." Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." (John 6:32-35)

Again therefore Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life." The Pharisees therefore said to Him, "You are bearing witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true." Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true; for I know where I came from, and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from, or where I am going." (John 8:12-14)

Jesus therefore said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal, and kill, and destroy; I came that they might have life, and might have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep." (John 10:7-11)

Martha therefore said to Jesus, "Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died. Even now I know that whatever You ask of God, God will give You." Jesus said to her, "Your brother shall rise again." Martha said to Him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day." Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me shall live even if he dies, and everyone who lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" She said to Him, "Yes, Lord; I have believed that You are the Christ, the Son of God, even He who comes into the world." (John 11:21-27)

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To Stylez: Bro it is apparent you are eager to get your point out and I do appreciate that... No, I was not being facetious, blogs and forums are for short thoughts and ideas, I simply could not follow you. I truly don't mean to offend, and if I did. I am sorry for that.... My point about being angry to a point where one could just kill a person is about "acting on a sin". That's all man... I think it was clear...

So is it fair to say that we all disagree with the topic that originally started this thread?

To Styles: I just re-read your post about thorns and such and I think that is so right on!!!

I was thinking about something regarding the Trinity... What did Jesus say when he was on the cross, didn't he speak to God his father?

what is your point ?


martha sees god where he is,
she sees god in his sons,
she sees god in his many faces,
god is one.

to be divided you first have to become one,
to be like jesus you first have to become one,
one with christ or one with god, tell me the difference ?

christ became after glorification not the son, but the father,
the son is the stage before glorification,
the son is what you are now, but not adopted yet.
you become the son when you gave god full freedom.

Jesus is one with god, so if he returns he can do it with
another face, and that face will be seen by religion as false prophet,
when it is the elijah to come.

you are all god, but you all are not in the fucntion of god
as long you don't set god free, and you set god free,
by forgiveness of god, and god is all, so forgive all.

god is one, is love.

if you talk in your mind, you talk to yourself, but you still talk,
jesus talks with the father, because god is partly divided after he is one,
they are one but seperated but one, not full divided.

the stone with seven eyes.
how can god enjoy himself if he has to be one without
stepping in some roles ?



[edit on 2-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]

[edit on 2-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]

Originally posted by syrinx2112

To Stylez: Bro it is apparent you are eager to get your point out and I do appreciate that... No, I was not being facetious, blogs and forums are for short thoughts and ideas, I simply could not follow you. I truly don't mean to offend, and if I did. I am sorry for that.... My point about being angry to a point where one could just kill a person is about "acting on a sin". That's all man... I think it was clear...

So is it fair to say that we all disagree with the topic that originally started this thread?

Apology accepted Christian, and I disagree with the minister saying we should kill homosexuals in that I think it is wrong to kill them NOT that he doesn't have a right to say it and Thats where this thread and the homosexuals arguing in it were attempting to bring this. Into a hate crimes discussion which means we shouldn't say nasty stuff about gays.

I am real wary of that kind of thing and am totally against it.

Great scriptures you posted there too!

Originally posted by syrinx2112
To Styles: I just re-read your post about thorns and such and I think that is so right on!!!

I was thinking about something regarding the Trinity... What did Jesus say when he was on the cross, didn't he speak to God his father?

I think you already answered that when you said this

Again therefore Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall not walk in the darkness, but shall have the light of life." The Pharisees therefore said to Him, "You are bearing witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true." Jesus answered and said to them, "Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true;

seems to sum it up right there how that can go

God = one
truth = one

it means love all.

[edit on 2-9-2009 by pasttheclouds]

reply to post by Stylez


So do you also agree that gays should have the right to advocate this pastor's execution, and that of those who agree with him?

After all, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

Personally I'm not sure whether the First Amendment covers incitement to murder, but I doubt it.

To pasttheclouds: One more question, who was Jesus talking to when on the cross?

Matthew 27:46

About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Mark 15:34

And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" - which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Luke 23:46

Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last.

John 19:30

When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

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pasttheclouds has something very tangible... Thank you for sharing with me and I am seeing this clearer... I had trouble understanding the words "begotten son"... I think it is clear now... There was a reason why I went to ATS today... Thanks to all.

www.icr.org...

Originally posted by TangoVooDoo

Originally posted by syrinx2112
Please explain: How do you sin against the Holy Spirit?

In a nutshell, sin is sin which is disobedience to Gods will.

hehe apparently he has not been to the Blaspheme challenge website.
www.blasphemychallenge.com