National Geographic - 9/11 Science and Conspiracy Special 8/31/09

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Sorry to say but you misquoted Bruce Lee.

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Wow EMRTC brought us this show. Well now I guess I wasn't just imagining the
one sidedness of this #ty documentary. Thanks for the info. I would be ashamed to televise my half assed experiments if I were in his shoes but then again who put him up to it?

I loved the condescending psychobabble towards the shows end.

On the bright side maybe Swampy and jthomas will feel sorry for us now. We just don't understand that the world is a dangerous place and that sometimes bad things happen to good people. We have been traumatized and weak minded people(truthers) need to feel "in control". So we invent a conspiracy theory.

Here's one for you NatGeo you didn't even touch LIHOP! Forewarnings, Nor WTC 7(not hit by a plane)?!?! Freefall speed, conservation of momentum the list is endless. One I personally love is that the elder Bush was actually dining with the bin laden family during 9/11

Those tests were such obvious lame dumbed down attempts to discredit any person who has a question. I was actually embarrassed for them until I realized their target audience would accept those tests with bland indifference as the gospel truth proven by scientists!

Why did we invade Iraq after 9/11 and not Saudi Arabia????

No mention of the Gulf of Tonikin. That used to be a conspiracy now it's just a fact. How about Operation Northwoods??

I watched the show this evening and I have to say, the truth is getting out because all I saw was damaged control. A one sided story to *try* to support the OS. The experiments were a joke to say the lease, a desperate attempt to create a way to fool people into believing their experiments justified their means to prove Professor Jones is wrong.

Come on! Look how much air time Professor Jones and the other scholars got compared to the governments science fiction disinformationist damage controller got! I just love the way how he had to mention that people who come up or support conspiracy theories may have a psychological problems, therefore enforcing what the lying mainstream media continue to say about people who do not believe in the OS like “nut jobs”, “Tin foil hats”. You all need to turn that government propaganda tool OFF that we call TV it is an idiot box, nothing but disinformation.
I like the way how the government didn’t mention anything about the pentagon’s flight path that has been proven a lie. Since that has been proven a lie by Pilots for 911 truths who have obtain the actual FFA data records and the records to the alleged Shanksville, PA crash, also showing the plane was still airborne PASSED the crash site according to FAA data. The government is trying to sell their lies by saying if you believe in the conspiracy theories then hundred even thousands of people had to be involved into pulling off 911. Don’t fall for that Tactic because that is a lie.

I and a lot of people believe only a small tiny group of people in the government using probably a small group in the black OP’s top secrete programs who are experts into highly classified materials into demolition and experts into flying remote control Boeing aircraft, (old technology) that our military has been using since the 1960s.

The FBI job was to cover-up the crime and they did a sloppy job in doing so, the FBI has been caught lying in just about everything they have touched concerning 911, furthermore, refusing to turn over information under the FOIA.

Does anyone have the video that shows how “regular” Thermite is used to weld railroad track together? Thermite is used because it creates a stronger bond than traditional welding methods. (Discovery channel?)

We are winning the “TRUTH FIGHT” because the government had to come out and do DAMAGE CONTROL!

National Geographic really disappointed me with this Doc I should not be surprised they have pretty much been debunking fringe subjects for a few years now.It's easier to support the official story and not rock the boat then it is to ask some difficult questions what caught my attention is the fact they glossed over Shanksville until they covered it in the drone theory I have noticed most debunking docs avoid it like the plague until the very last possible min. I suppose it's very uncomfortable for some to even think about the idea that the USAF shot down a plane full of Civilians and alleged terrorists that day.

Originally posted by fleabit
See, no surprise. 100% guaranteed that any truther would call it outright lies, bias, nonprofessional investigation (like what they do is), etc. No surprise, whatsoever. I give up at this point. There is no reasoning with them.

You are not only intuitive but easy. Please don't go!

Originally posted by twitchy
I didn't catch the show, we cut our television off about a year ago.... best thing I've ever done for my family, I highly reccomend it.
They actually had the unprofessional gall to use 'truthers'? That's some fine journalism there boys, and this new stereotype they are trying their damndest to create should tell us something really important...
They aren't attacking our information, they are attacking us. It is the inevitable last ditch tactics employed when your own arguments don't hold up to investigation.
If the official story works out so well, and so many people believe it as the gospel truth, then why are they spending millions upon millions of dollars to demonize the opposition? If the official story is true, then why are they calling us the 'truthers' and how the hell do you spin the word truth to mean something negative anyway? They're loosing, and the panic response has them scrambling to gain a foothold here and on other forums, using the same tired talking points but this time attacking us with the stereotypes one might use on a third grade playground.

Good luck National Geographic, it's a tough sale because while yeah, the dumbing down has been pretty effective, any tom fool can look at the buildings collapsing and realize that they are looking at a carefully planned, well executed, controlled demolition.

Didn't mention WTC 7? I don't blame them for not mentioning it though, why would they?



Click and look, watch the top of the building, the center, the core of it go first, and ask yourself why or better yet, how that is possible in a fire related collapse even with Mayor Ghouliani's fire code violating fuel tanks. In order for this to happen, at the speed it happens, ALL the load bearing supports have to fail simultaneously. Fire doesn't account for this, neither does the official story, nor do they account for the molten steel that Loizaeux confirmed at the WTC 7 site either.
I think Dan Rather, who was later run through the ringer and retired, said it best when he said... " it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.”

You can see the squibs (demolition charges) progressing upwards towards the point of collapse...



To mention WTC 7, they would have to explain things like this footage the otherwise meticulous BBC has since 'lost'...



Here's four pages of some interesting information about WTC 7... 1, 2, 3, 4.

As to what firefighters were saying about WTC 7, oddly enough, they were told to back off by someone who knew it was going to collapse...
Reports of Foreknowledge of the Collapse of Building 7 in the Oral Histories
These collapses are unprecedented in the history of modern steel framed construction, yet they were able to predict the collapses sufficiently enough to tell key personell to evacuate the building 7 and measure the safe distances? They were so sure it was going to collapse, they released it to the media before it happened for crying out loud.

No they probably didn't mention WTC 7.
That would be alot like not mentioning the guy that ran around cutting up the taped conversations between ATC and the pilots with scissors and depositing them into seperate trashcans, or not mentioning that the guy who wired Atta a hundred grand was meeting with Sentate Intelligence Committee members that morning, or not saying anything about the Bin Laden Construction Group being on site during it's construction and asking about explosives, or avoiding the subject of Israelis running around in vans full of explosives who turned out to be ex-mossad and IDF explosives experts that were given a free ride home by dual citizen Chertoff. I bet they didn't mention the flight schools in question were the same bunch of Bush era CIA fronts that gave us Oswald and co. either.
Oh the things they probably didn't mention...

Edit:
We all know that Silverstien said 'pull it'... even if he wasn't talking about demolishing the building, which he was IMO, what the hell is he doing involving himself with pulling fire fighters off of a building he has an insurance policy on? Can you imagine the insurance adjuster's relief when you tell him you prevented the fire fighters from doing their job for hours before the building collapsed? He got paid though... billions.

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Thanks Twitch
I didn't see the show either. Glad I didn't. I probably would have hurled.
Could be the kids of the moon hoax films that are producing the NG footage!
Thanks for your post. I know you could continue for pages.
Looking forward to more.

What a show....I would say the biggest BLOW to the "truether" movement, more like it blew 1,000,000 holes into the "truether theories"

AND 100% predictable reactions on the part of Avery and the 2 so called "PHD's at the table.

Where are the "truethers" experiments?

It's easy to just sit there and deny everything they saw.

Could some one please tell me what "super thermite" is....

Maybe its alot like Kryptonite.....

This could be the biggest reason why ATS is killing ATS

Originally posted by tomfrusso
What a show....I would say the biggest BLOW to the "truether" movement, more like it blew 1,000,000 holes into the "truether theories"

AND 100% predictable reactions on the part of Avery and the 2 so called "PHD's at the table.

Where are the "truethers" experiments?

It's easy to just sit there and deny everything they saw.

Could some one please tell me what "super thermite" is....

Maybe its alot like Kryptonite.....

This could be the biggest reason why ATS is killing ATS

And what is it you tell the dead and injured of that day? And the problems of the folks that suffer from the clean-up off that day?
The total incompetence of your cuddly government that day and every day since? Come -on keep that jack jaw movin!

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
I loved the condescending psychobabble towards the shows end.

I loved the ominous, scary background music (also borderline annoying), but it was like being back in the Saturday matinee horror movie theater, when you know "they" are trying to scare ya.

I don't mind being labeled a "truther". The appellation contains the appropriate substance. What woud be the appropriate name for the others? Non-truthers? Government Believers? Doubters? Matrix Marchers?

I thought that the 3 "Truthers" on the show did an admirable job of saying "I don't know" when it was right to so state. The young man did an excellent job of letting his enthusiasm for truth override the resentment of the OS which was perceptible in his manner.

I RESENT natgeo for portraying the millions of Truthers as mentally imbalanced. Natgeo can KMA. I, for one, am more resolute than ever and have something more to talk about in mixed company.

I watched this last night and walked away feeling like nothing was really resolved. I think they may have sufficiently shut down the thermite theory...but I'm no expert.

The one thing that struck me though was the jet fuel burning and weakening the steel beam. I do not feel like they did a good job of debunking that. I say this because they used a much smaller steel beam, but didn't scale down the temperature to adjust for that. In my mind it's kind of like grilling a thin burger patty and a thick burger patty on the same grill. Of course the thinner patty is going to cook faster. Same theory applies to the steel beam.

Just my 2-cents

I also was very disappointed in this show!

BUT - for what ever reason - it CONVINCED my husband (an engineer) that there was NO Cover-up!

He bought it hook, line and sinker!

He NOW firmly believes that the WTC buildings WOULD fall that way after a plane hit. That there would be too much prep-work to pull off a Thermite bombing(s). Steel would melt/bend/collapse after the fuel fire etc etc.

He is also convinced that the "wreckage" at the Pentagon is from a passenger AA plane.

Ho-Hum - Not too sure HOW I can turn him around to see what I SEE??

I missed the last 10 minutes of that show. Can anyone tell me if Tower 7 was discussed? If so, what was said?

I also noticed that they did not discuss the "explosions" jetting out the side of the towers as they were collapsing. As shown in this photograph:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/802e99cc792b.jpg[/atsimg]

Originally posted by mappam
I also was very disappointed in this show!

BUT - for what ever reason - it CONVINCED my husband (an engineer) that there was NO Cover-up!

He bought it hook, line and sinker!

He NOW firmly believes that the WTC buildings WOULD fall that way after a plane hit. That there would be too much prep-work to pull off a Thermite bombing(s). Steel would melt/bend/collapse after the fuel fire etc etc.

He is also convinced that the "wreckage" at the Pentagon is from a passenger AA plane.

Ho-Hum - Not too sure HOW I can turn him around to see what I SEE??

Get him posting on these threads.
You could try leaving him during the Holidays.

Originally posted by Aggie Man
I missed the last 10 minutes of that show. Can anyone tell me if Tower 7 was discussed? If so, what was said?

I also noticed that they did not discuss the "explosions" jetting out the side of the towers as they were collapsing. As shown in this photograph:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/802e99cc792b.jpg[/atsimg]

I think if you check back through the thread you will see posts saying NOT.
All GL spooks stay way clear of SEVEN also. I couldn't watch so just goin by what others have posted.
The Seventh has started a thread with alot of explosive tech talk. Check it out.

I'm mad at this. You know why?

Because now ALL the people that watched it, are going to believe that 9/11 was real, and not an inside job, and they are making "9/11 truthers" Look crazy.

They didnt even say anything about WTC 7 or about the bombs going off ahead of where the WTC was falling.

Now people are going to support the government more and believe everything they say.

I saw it last night thinking its about time somebody has the balls to stand up for the truth, but what I saw was the complete opposite. they totally made it seem like the truthers movement is nothing but a bunch a whacko conspiracy theorists , who would rather believe in" fairytale conspiracies " (thats exactly what they said)
than to believe that we were actually infiltrated by forces outside our country. the whole show was nothing but a complete smearing of all the theories > just another propaganda tool, dont you like how at the end of the show they say maybe its better if we never know the truth?? yeah right!!!! a bunch of bull ****
I cant even describe the anger .

and to the people who call the truthers a bunch of tinfoilers and what not , why are you sceptics even here??? your not going to change our minds and were probably not gonna change yours, so just drop the whole name calling and condescending language and use your brains, think for yourself, or are you just to scared to think for yourself and come to your own conclusions. this is a conspiracy site so if you dont believe in conspiracies like this than you probably shouldnt be here. and just to mention everything about the official story that you believe , raises flags to us who are capable of thinking for ourselves. at least we ask questions and try to answer them.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million

Originally posted by mappam
I also was very disappointed in this show!

BUT - for what ever reason - it CONVINCED my husband (an engineer) that there was NO Cover-up!

He bought it hook, line and sinker!

He NOW firmly believes that the WTC buildings WOULD fall that way after a plane hit. That there would be too much prep-work to pull off a Thermite bombing(s). Steel would melt/bend/collapse after the fuel fire etc etc.

He is also convinced that the "wreckage" at the Pentagon is from a passenger AA plane.

Ho-Hum - Not too sure HOW I can turn him around to see what I SEE??

Get him posting on these threads.
You could try leaving him during the Holidays.

Hmm - wonder if he would at least READ these boards? Good thinking Donny!

[edit on 1-9-2009 by mappam]

Originally posted by KommonKnowledge
why are you sceptics even here??? your not going to change our minds and were probably not gonna change yours, so just drop the whole name calling and condescending language and use your brains, think for yourself, or are you just to scared to think for yourself and come to your own conclusions. this is a conspiracy site so if you dont believe in conspiracies like this than you probably shouldnt be here.

Because a conspiracy sub-culture and it's own marketing have evolved
does not mean the impressionable and kids need to be fed disinformation.

Willfully malicious propaganda comes from many fronts, not just governments and MSM. It needs to be exposed at every opportunity.


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Originally posted by tomfrusso
What a show....I would say the biggest BLOW to the "truether" movement, more like it blew 1,000,000 holes into the "truether theories"

AND 100% predictable reactions on the part of Avery and the 2 so called "PHD's at the table.

Where are the "truethers" experiments?

It's easy to just sit there and deny everything they saw.

Could some one please tell me what "super thermite" is....

Maybe its alot like Kryptonite.....

This could be the biggest reason why ATS is killing ATS

why don't you answer your own question and google "super thermite"

look it's really simple for the government...answer the questions with reasonable answers and you won't have anymore "truthers"
questions i have not seen answered

1. why won't the government release the passenger manifests?, every other civilian plane crash has released these
2. why won't the government release the scores of video from security cameras around the pentagon, including from private property?.
3. why did the BBC broadcast 23 minutes early the collapse of building #7?