National Geographic - 9/11 Science and Conspiracy Special 8/31/09

reply to post by jfj123


You're right, and any human being that thinks they know exactly who was 'in on' the conspiracy is fooling themselves.

Originally posted by jprophet420
any human being that thinks they know exactly who was 'in on' the conspiracy is fooling themselves.

This sounds like the tag line for a movie trailer.

Is the implication that the Area 51 aliens were in on it?


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Originally posted by mmiichael
and again

Pentagon not in NYC with cameras everywhere.

You are not serious are you? Why do you suppose I stopped reading your post right here? Can even try to guess what is either horribly wrong with your thinking or is horrible wrong with this sentence?

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by K J Gunderson

 

The only photos released of bodies was at the Moussaoui trial

Be warned - this is disturbing

Pentagon




www.vaed.uscourts.gov...






Satisfied ?

I imagine you will find some stupid reason why this cant be true.....

LOL, yep I sure will.

First of all, the orange jumpsuit wearing guy we already know was a pentagon employee - because of his uniform. The two other charred bodies....um...how do you know they were passengers on the plane that supposedly crashed into the pentagon?

These 3 pictures are old news and in fact you are leaving out two pics that usually accompany them.

This has already been covered but shucks thanks. You showed us 3 pictures of charred bodies and the only one who did not lose his clothes is already known to have been in the pentagon, not the plane. That knocks one out. How about the other two? Did the family id them? Did you ID them? Was this another magical event where they just happened to have reference dna for everyone aboard, including the terrorist?

Originally posted by mmiichael
They exist, but no released pictures inside the Pentagon walls of smashed airplane parts and dead bodies.

All this should be obvious why.

Not everyone can have exactly what they want.

Throwing a temper tantrum doesn't work.

Grow up.

if any of that were true, I would be every bit as understanding as you would like me to but your logic is wrong. First of all, you complain there were not enough cameras around and people were more concerned with saving lives. OK!

Do you know how many stationary cameras were trained on just that one wall of the pentagon? How many tapes were seized by the government from securit cameras OFF pentagon property, not to mention all the pentagon security cameras. Are you trying to tell me that security cameras stopped filming because of their concern for lives? Are you saying the government confiscated over 100 video tapes becaue there was a lack of photographic evidence? Apparently there were lots of pictures of something, they admitted that much. And all we get is one choppy little bit of of blurry footage of a shiny thing blowing up the pentagon.

It was not about saving lives, security cameras could care less.

It was not about lack of cameras, ask the government how much footage they have that they took from off the property as well as the security cameras all over the pentagon, inside and out.

It is most certainly not about getting what I want. Do you really think I am looking for a gorefest? Do you think I just want to see pictures of dead people?

Let me try to explain this, and I will do it slowly, just for you.

I said there was no evidence of a plane full of passengers there. You said there was tons. You said there were all kinds of photos to prove that if I would just go look.

I doubted that very much so I asked for them. Two different debunkers gave me links to pages full of links that again, link to even more other pages...and on and on. Just show me this evidence that is sooooooooooo abundant? Neither of you could so I called you out on it.

If that is what you think is a temper tantrum then either you better not ever have kids or you need to have the ones you have now taken away because you obviously have no clue what a temper tantrum is.

I am not on this thread to get what I want.

I said there was no evidence that the plane in question, or any of the people on it, crashed there.

YOU claimed there was an abundance of this stuff. Where is it? According to your 'explanation,' even you have not ever seen them. So exactly what evidence is it that you claim is so abundant and yet neither you, nor any of your ilk here can seem to show me???

[edit on 30-8-2009 by K J Gunderson]

Originally posted by jfj123
reply to post by talisman

 

Something to consider is that if the construction company was in on it, the employees doing the work were in on it, the owner was in on it, the inspectors were in on it... etc.. etc.. etc..

And then you ramble on some more. For at least two years now I have been watching this old tactic get tossed around as well. Did you all get the exact same instruction manual? It never ceases to amaze me how you all wander around, repeating the exact same talking points and then pretend like you are just some UFO enthusiast that happend by or whatever. You either all have the same script or are the worst pile of sheep I have ever seen.

Let's start again, anyone and everyone who feels that there are unanswered questions about the events of that day are now also accumulating a huge list of suspected conspirators? You are going to have to bring some quotes along. Where is the 'truther' long list? You all keep saying that truthers are putting everyone and everything into this. Where? When? Because the Popular Mechanics article was so funny? Because people knocked that?

Why is it that in almost any other thread on ATS, all the mainstream media is in the same boat? It is all government controlled and it all tells the same lies. For some reason, on a 9/11 thread, the mainstream media is all seperate individual free bodies. Interesting logic there.

Anyway, if this list of people truthers suspect is getting so long, please show me the list. Which construction company was implicated by truthers? All employees or just the ones on that job? Seems to me this thread is just as easily about how they got duped too. Maybe the people at NG are good patriotic Americans like you who believe whatever their government tells them, except when they say "missile,""Shot down," and my personal favorite "I saw the first plane hit on tv." Those were all slip ups right? Or lies? Either way, we should believe Bush and Rummy except when they say things that confuse you because they put holes in the neat little "My president is my hero (Unless he is a black democrat) and would never lie to me or endanger the people of his own country" mindset you have built up so well around yourself.

I am sorry that life is not perfect and neat and tidy. If you want a nice homgenous mindset and a good herd to fit into, try a socialist contry. I am in America and I can decide to not believe you, Bush, and National Geographic if I like. Why are you not on one of Zorgon's threads telling him how silly it is to keep claiming shadows are forest, statues, bases, etc. Why is it just this subject that you feel you need to shut out others who think differently?

Originally posted by mmiichael
You know what? I'm not an expert on what pictures were taken at the Pentagon on 9/11 and what's avaiable.

Nope, you are barely even a novice so why are you arguing about what there is photographic evidence of and what there is not? If you do not know, then shut the hell up. You cannot tell people they are wrong and you are right and then admit that you really do not know, you just kinda came up with that but you are still corrrect.

I kinda imagine an airplane smashing into one side knocked out power in some sections. And a lot of chaos with few thinking about recording it all for posterity.

That is why are justice system is NOT built around what people IMAGINE. You can imagine all you lie, that will not make it true. Are you trying to tell us that the pentagon is so vulnerable to attack that all someone has to do is sneak up to that side and cut the power and there go all the cameras?

More importantly though, let me repeat. When you have to admit that you do not know, you are not an expert, and all you have is what you "imagine" happend, then you really are in no position to tell anyone they are wrong.

reply to post by mmiichael


It sounds like pretty damned good reasoning to me. Make fun of it all you want but look at the facts:

The "mastermind" was caught and named co-conspirators, they weren't charged with any crime.

We invaded Afghanistan to combat a crime committed by Saudis.

Yeah that makes sense.

the last NG 'documentaries' I saw could have came straight out of a fox news report, I was NOT impressed, quite upset actually. They seemed wholly unbalanced, was a while ago now though..


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reply to post by 7redorbs


To be honest I have never seen a 911 documentary that focused on facts instead of conspiracy. I'm sure they will just use science to debunk conspiracy theories rather than present unbiased evidence.

Presenting unbiased evidence is the way to go but nobody does it coz it doesn't get ratings.

reply to post by jprophet420


No, we invaded Afghanistan because they were harboring Al Qaeda. I am not sure why that gives so many people problems.....

reply to post by K J Gunderson

Do you know how many stationary cameras were trained on just that one wall of the pentagon?

Do you?

Was this another magical event where they just happened to have reference dna for everyone aboard, including the terrorist?

Magical event? There was absolutely nothing magical about the families of the victims providing toothbrushes, hairbrushes, blood samples etc to the authorities so the remains of their loved ones could be identified. Likewise, there was nothing magical about the authorities gathering DNA samples from rental cars, hotel rooms, visa applications and in a couple cases from their families to identify the terrorist remains.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by jprophet420

 

No, we invaded Afghanistan because they were harboring Al Qaeda. I am not sure why that gives so many people problems.....

You mean Osama Bin Laden who was in Pakistan?

Or how about, ok why did we go into Iraq again?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999


Do you?

No, I do not. Are you going to tell me none or just a few or is my point still valid? What is your point?

Magical event? There was absolutely nothing magical about the families of the victims providing toothbrushes, hairbrushes, blood samples etc to the authorities so the remains of their loved ones could be identified. Likewise, there was nothing magical about the authorities gathering DNA samples from rental cars, hotel rooms, visa applications and in a couple cases from their families to identify the terrorist remains.

LOL, right. OK. Sure thing. Whatever you say. I would really like to see the chain of posession of all this DNA that was all over rental cars and hotel rooms.

So Joe Smith says, 'my daughter was on that plane, here is her toothbrush, can you ID her?'

GO: Sure thing, give us that toothbrush, we will call you back.

JS: Great, thanks. I just really want to know for sure that she was on that plane and died in that crash.

GO:RING RING!

JS: Hello?

GO: Hey Joe, good news. The toothbrush checks out, you can go back to sleep now.

and another wonderful government agency completes its mission.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by jprophet420

 

No, we invaded Afghanistan because they were harboring Al Qaeda. I am not sure why that gives so many people problems.....

Because we funded the founder of Al Qaeda in the past most likely. A classic case of "Oh yeah thats the bad guys now".

Originally posted by Donny 4 million


Swampy time to reboot. We are on SEVEN not TWo no floor mentioned, Get some coffee and get back to us .

Reading comprehension Donny, reading comprehension!
Swampfox was clearing up a mistake done by Twitchy in regards to the fires. He claimed that there were small fires in WTC7 and firefighters claimed they could take it out with a few hoses:

originally posted by Twitchy:

Oh yeah, you mean the fires that fire fighter accounts said could be taken out with a couple lines? Too bad the 9-11 commission wouldn't allow them to testify. They would have heard accounts of explosions and how the fires had mostly been supressed.

He mixed up reports from WTC South Tower and WTC7. Swampfox had to correct this. Do you ever comprehend what you are reading? And what amazed me is the fact that HE got three stars! Three stars for incorrect information!

It honestly doesn't matter. For all of those who have decided without a doubt that this was an "inside job," I 100% guarantee that NOTHING said will convince them otherwise. Even if they have very solid facts, the truthers will find a way to twist it so it sounds like more coverup, non-complete study, etc.

What's sadly funny is this: In one clip for this show, Purdue spent 1000's of man-hours creating an exact duplicate of the WTC, the plane, the fuel, and the resulting and unfolding disaster. Yet truthers here, who have probably spent a mere dozens of hours only regurgitating what others have said, and who are NOT experts nor themselves done any real research, will dismiss it out of hand. Because apparently, a truther's opinions and personal "expertise" is so much greater than those who actually are experts. Just ask them, they will tell you so.

reply to post by CameronFox

As I predicted in my OP.

what's up op. have you been develeping your psychic ablitys lately? you sure got that one dead on.any thoughts on the lottery? i mean
really, what else could happen? that's like me saying, their only going
to reinforce the corrupt version, of what went on. at the same time make
truthers, who do seem to have the real truth well in hand, look like nut jobs.
no predicting just a fact. what kind of bozo crap?

i can't figure out why some, just refuse to believe their govt is lying to
them ,when that's all they do. Jack Nicholson even told us why."because you can't handle the truth", i guess after awhile the lies become their truth.

and that is DELUSIONAL!

[edit on 31-8-2009 by randyvs]

Originally posted by fleabit
It honestly doesn't matter. For all of those who have decided without a doubt that this was an "inside job," I 100% guarantee that NOTHING said will convince them otherwise. Even if they have very solid facts, the truthers will find a way to twist it so it sounds like more coverup, non-complete study, etc.

What's sadly funny is this: In one clip for this show, Purdue spent 1000's of man-hours creating an exact duplicate of the WTC, the plane, the fuel, and the resulting and unfolding disaster. Yet truthers here, who have probably spent a mere dozens of hours only regurgitating what others have said, and who are NOT experts nor themselves done any real research, will dismiss it out of hand. Because apparently, a truther's opinions and personal "expertise" is so much greater than those who actually are experts. Just ask them, they will tell you so.

I've come to that conclusion too. I rationalize entering these discussions thinking impressionable kids read this stuff and need to be shown the Truther stuff they read is not exactly Gospel.

The Truthers make sure they have the advantage. They cherry pick anything that supports their suppositions, and dismiss anything conflicting as part of the Great Big Coverup. It's a win-win situation for them.

Except when they hit the cold outside world where hard facts and solid evidence trumps speculaltion, gut feelings only backed up by a handful of academic opportunists and their snake oil.

Cults sustain themselves by creating communities and literature. And that's what the Truther movement has become.


Mike

[edit on 31-8-2009 by mmiichael]

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