Swimmers are told to wear burkinis

Originally posted by St Vaast
Kindly do not presume to lecture to me in that condescending manner.

Thank you.

I'm sorry I upset your delicate sensibilites. Its just that what you posted simply wasn't true, as shown in my text.

The British government is elected by the people. In the case of the legislation I quoted a Labour Government led by Clement Atlee passed the relevant act, in the first of two successive terms in office, which suggests the electorate liked the policies offered enough to give the party a second bite at the cherry.

If the elected British Government is not representative of the British people who voted it in to power, then - do tell me - what is it?.

For all the people that are against this? Should we also complain about the program Songs of Praise (www.bbc.co.uk...) that runs weekly on public television and is paid for with tax payers money. Forcing their religion down people's throats, I know we got other tv channels, but what if at that time of the week I want to see BBC?

Originally posted by St Vaast
It's up to the migrants to adapt to the host nation's culture .. or ship out. No 'ifs' or 'buts'.

This is not true now; has never been true in the past; and will not be true anytime in the near future.

Show me a single instance where a group of people moved to a region and did not change it.

If the world worked the way all the scared-of-everyone Brits wanted it to work, the US would be full of white descendants who venerate the mother earth and Africa would be full of Pagan white tribesmen.

It seems that "No 'ifs' or 'buts'." applies only if it is your own crappy culture nearing the end of its life.

Jon

People say we need to respect these religious views and ideas. Why should we respect a religion that puts down women and conforms to ridiculous ideas like women need to be completely covered even while swimming.

Sorry, I don't respect stupidity.

reply to post by neformore


Gordon Brown was NEVER elected as Prime Minister. Never.

Nor did any Australian government win any election by declaring it intended to drag more 3rd world migrant Muslims into the country.

You're being transparently cynical in what you say, surely ?

I find it difficult to believe that you're unaware most governments gain power because the populace is eager to be rid of the current bunch of fools.

And of course, in the UK as in Australia and the US, voters are provided the illusion of two parties and a few inconsequential, token, 'independents' (who in any case give preferences to one or other of the allegedly 'two' major parties) -- when in fact BOTH of the major parties are put in place by the shadowy controllers of this planet and are in reality ONE party with two faces.

I'm hoping Brits will vote in the BNP and shake off their programmed fear of being labelled 'racists' etc.

As for history and supposed 'rights' of those from former British colonies and protectorates to make their way to Britain .. in my opinion, all bets are off.

I certainly feel no obligation to tolerate ignorant, backwards, third world ingrates who flatter themselves they are 'entitled' to ignore their hosts' culture and laws, just because their grandparents or great-grandparents lived for a period under British rule.

reply to post by ashnomadonte


Overreacting? So, for SPECIAL swimming sessions, for a block of time on a weekend, if you want to go swimming, you have to follow the special rules. If you don't...don't go swimming...or find an alternate location to go swimming.

What if it were juniors day, where little kids came to the pool and they had a dresscode that said no "revealing" or suggestive bathing suits. Would you comply then? For the kids?

I live in Florida, so swimming is not something you normally travel far to do...either you have a pool, someone you know has a pool, or just go to the beach.

It appears to me that these swimming pools are privately run? Am I correct? So, to me, it's just another way to bring in a demographic for profit. Don't like it...well, don't patronize that private pool.

And if I'm wrong that they're private and instead they are publicly funded like a park or recreation center, well, I wouldn't complain if the seniors had underwater basket weaving and I couldn't go into the pool during their scheduled class time (unless I wanted to join the class and ADHERE TO THEIR RULES DURING THAT TIME). I'd go at another time.

Why do I have to pander to anyone's illogical, unproven, supernatural belief? Why can I challenge anyone on any subject except for religion - which is beyond critical examination within society.

I refer to all religions. Christianity is just as bad - just look at the crazy Sunday trading laws.

It's about time we removed the shackles of religions and started to become a civilized people, with some real fundamental rights, for all regardless of religion. Now that's progressive!

reply to post by Cara-G-Pow


I think you'll find that the swimming pool in question is a local council pool.

Local council, public swimming pool paid from resident's council tax

what happens if a swimming pool decides to make an atheist hour and no muslims and christians where allowed to go??
this muslim hour is discriminating against others and it has to be stopped..
more and more the whole we have to do this and do that to please the islam.. is looking like an facist occupation.. more and more things are going to like in wo2 when we had a facist nazi occupation..
people are angry about this and are voting in a ricing trend on party's like the BNP , Vlaams Belang, danish volkspartei ect because the other political party's are saying we have to support islam and let it grow and have it gain more and more foothold.. just like party's like the Dutch National Socialist movement ( NSB ) did before wo2 and in the first 2 years of ww2.
we even see groups of people attacking people or trying to intimidate people or groups who are saying something about this facist act of occupation.
People in the Netherlands are fet up being neglected by there own government as the people of our nation who have build it up after WW2 are now of old age and in care centres and have even get care 24/7 .. but islamist and criminals from the middle east are getting subsidist by the state and local governments when commiting crimes and like theft , rape , attacking homosexuals , the elder , and females who wear skirts ect are being molested and shouted at with profenaty.

but surely we may not tell the facts as they are and when Iran is attacked by Israel or what ever nation even when its staged by Iran it self .. and the imams and radicals will shout for jihad and we will have a civil war at our hands in Europe is the place hardest hit .. Nations like UK , netherlands , belgium and the major city's in france will burn by violance and people all over the world wil say how is this possible how has it come to this why werent we warned .. but we where but we didn't listen .. so the things leading to ww2 are repeating again in this time of age.

just saying the obvious , the feelings and the tensions around here the netherlands and all over the Europe.
even if not everybody will accept it .. time will prove me wrong or right .. hopefully I am wrong just like the other hundreds of thousands of people standing behind PVV in the Netherlands when they gave the PVV ( geert wilders party for freedom ) 9 seats latest national election and prognossed to get 30 seats of the 150 when elections where held today.. The PVV was even the second biggest party just behind the Christen democrats with the EU elections this year.

people who are against islam are pictured here as if they are nazi's and that the muslims are the new jews.. but its just the other way around.. if things go wrong and they one day will as I believe the atheist and other non believers the jews the christians who are not willing to become muslim will be put to death and a mass genocide will happen if we are not beware of it.

I am not trying to offend people ect but like I said earlier think about it and debate it and see how great a change there is I am right or wrong.
I am not here to discriminate people just trying to get attention of how things are heading in my point of view. I have nothing against muslims as people only against the thing they stand for and are trying to do in name of a faith which is in my view facist and evil and is just as bad as christianity was 300 years and later back were.
And that out of the mouth of some one raised and thought to be christian from the age of 4 until 18 years of age.

Originally posted by St Vaast
Gordon Brown was NEVER elected as Prime Minister. Never.

Gordon Brown wasn't Prime Minister in 1948. Clement Atlee was.

How Gordon Brown came to be Prime Minister - as leader of the labour party by the way, the PARTY that was elected into power (we vote on a party not a person - you knew that right?) has nothing to do with the immigration act I mentioned, which was passed in 1948.

(Gordon Brown has been leader of the Labour Party, and Prime Minister since an uncontested Labour leadership change in June 2007 AND he wasn't even born in 1948 - he was born in 1951).

You stated that the British people never invited muslims into the country. You are wrong, because the act I quoted gave them citizenship and allowed them to enter the country unhindered.

You have been proved wrong on that count. Its no big deal. We're all here to learn.

I can't speak for Australia, as I don't live there and haven't studied the immigration laws. I suspect its different there, but then by your standards you shouldn't really be there (if thats where you are) because the Aborginies never invited you in the first place.

Maybe they should send all the non-aboriginies who have usurped their culture and - in some cases ruined their way of life - home?

As I see it, Muslim migrants throughout Europe and in Australia and elsewhere, have gone too far.

Because of their appalling ignorance, they've had no clue about how to behave in their new countries which were so generously made available to them, albeit reluctantly, by first-world populations.

Now the backlash. And it's been a long time coming. No-one can ever claim that the host nations haven't been patient and extremely tolerant.

France is stepping up and telling Muslim migrants to fit in or get out.

Australia's former Treasurer, Costello, made it abundantly clear to Australia's Muslim migrants that THEY will adapt to Australian culture .. or they'll be shown the door.

Britain has had a gutful of them.

So have the Scandinavians, the Germans, the Dutch.

It's over.

The free ride and pig-ignorance are over.

It's up to Muslims to change their tune, pronto, or they're going to wish they had.

After all, these tolerant host nations have had to put up with their corrupt politicians urging them to travel to 3rd world Muslim crap holes to 'fight terror' .. and then to return home, bloodied and wounded and discover that people who are so terrified of their own lack of control that they force women to dress in bedsheets are demanding an end to traditional Christmas customs.

All along, well-meaning first-worlders have been fighting each other tooth and nail about the 'rightness' or 'wrongness' of invading Muslim strongholds such as Afghanistan and Iraq.

If the migrant Muslims who currently are fortunate enough to reside in the first world don't start keeping a VERY low and well-mannered profile, they're going to discover that the bottle of Milk of Human Kindness has run dry !

I'm so disgusted by migrant Muslims' behaviours and attitudes that they have almost convinced me that I should not be defending them against Western powers in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Lebanon or elsewhere. And I'm sure I'm not alone in this.

Muslims themselves are pushing me to support wholesale battery of Muslim nations .. are convincing me I should support the US intent to grind Islam into powder.

At the moment, Muslim migrants are not impressing ANYone in any of the host nations. Yet those hosts let them in, gave them everything for free, put up with their incessant demands, tolerated their barbaric, atavistic attitudes, beliefs and behaviours.

Yes, the Muslim migrants have been given it inch by inch. And they've demanded yard after yard.

They've been given plenty of rope ... and look what they've done with it

Sorry I can't help this one.

"God Forbid that ever happens!"

Realtruth: laughs to himself

Originally posted by mithrawept
Why do I have to pander to anyone's illogical, unproven, supernatural belief? Why can I challenge anyone on any subject except for religion - which is beyond critical examination within society.

I refer to all religions. Christianity is just as bad - just look at the crazy Sunday trading laws.

It's about time we removed the shackles of religions and started to become a civilized people, with some real fundamental rights, for all regardless of religion. Now that's progressive!

reply to post by neformore



I have no intention of being derailed by you

You've heard what I have to say

Then was then. Now is now.

And you know it

Originally posted by madeioo
For all the people that are against this? Should we also complain about the program Songs of Praise (www.bbc.co.uk...) that runs weekly on public television and is paid for with tax payers money. Forcing their religion down people's throats, I know we got other tv channels, but what if at that time of the week I want to see BBC?

hummm

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i could keep going ill think you will find out the BBC pumps all Religion down our necks not just the one and i dont think this topic is about what we are being fed about Religion but more about how were are being forced to make Exceptions for a religious group that demeans equal rights but they live in a country of equality you carnt have equal rights if rules dont apply to you but apply to outhers if we all got treated the same if they could accept that we are differnt and we do have different rules that need to be followed im sure alot more of us would be alot more understanding of them and there needs with out having to keep our distance this matter should not be about being made to wear a different swim suit at a swimmingpool at a certen time but more about that swimmingpool having a muslim aimed theme at a certen time that could be used to educate us about their religion i think the media just put this kind of stuff in the news to fire people up with a few cleveley misplaced words you can make anything sound bad.

SORRY I LOST WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT POST IS A BIT ALL OVER THE PLACE ?)

Originally posted by madeioo
For all the people that are against this? Should we also complain about the program Songs of Praise (www.bbc.co.uk...) that runs weekly on public television and is paid for with tax payers money. Forcing their religion down people's throats, I know we got other tv channels, but what if at that time of the week I want to see BBC?

Yes wee bloody well should and yes I bloody well have.

I have also written to the local authority in relation to the swimming pools. I have asked them for the segregation of fat bastards and that all fat bastards be required to cover their lard from neck to ankles.

Before anyone starts taking offense I include myself as a "fat bastard" and find the sight of other fatties stretch marks totally repulsive reminding me of my own plight.
This situation of course, makes me less likely to use the pool and spend more time comfort eating (it's me glands) thus giving skinny wasters more time in the pool that I pay for.

I consider the entire situation in relation to public pools, a complete conspiracy against everyone who would consider themselves in a minority.

its wrong, this is the uk not some muslim state, end of.

look if i went to some mosque and said theres a group of us who want to come in here for a few hours a week and wear shoes, it wouldnt be allowed, my wife wouldnt be able to wear a short skirt and heels and trample about and niether would i.

and i`m not saying a pool is a place of worship , just an extreme of simple rules, we have our ways and beliefs here and if you dont like them sod off to a place where your beliefs are right.

plus, were an island, go to the sea, wear your clothes there and swim, oh and finally does anyone know the answer to this??

at this pool i assume there will be life guards, you know in case anyone started to drown, are they having to cover up? are there women life guards there, i bet you if there are they will be wearing small bathing suits, and if this strict muslims got into trouble in the water , they would suddenly have no problem with a scantily dressed woman saving there asses!!

Originally posted by cooler
when you put lots of different religions together (multiculturism) it will at some point through breeding & or mass immigration (both in & out of the country) end up in some relgious getting smaller & bigger but eventually one religion will become dominant.
now this wouldnt be a problem if all the religions intergrated together under one common law, wich most religions are happy to do.
but when you add a religion that refuses to intigrate & promotes none intigration, this causes huge problems in law/society/human rights/treatment of animals/dress code/alcahole/marrage/relationships/honor killings/freedom to express/freedom to speak/religious hatred/terrorism/gang rape/guns/knife crime.
these are just some of the problems none intigration can & often does cause.
if a religious group that practices none intigration because it sees its self as superior in some goddly way, & decides to use a free society to force its religious dogmas on every one els, the origonal freedoms will be removed as they will have become a threat to the new extreme religion.
if islam ever becomes a magority in the uk/france/germany/denmark/norway/holland/itali/spain/sweden/austria & other countrys out side the eu, will you be happy to lose your freedoms ?.
the lefty loonys will of coarse say this is not happening, but then if islam gets its own way wich is predicted in some years, will the lefty loonys be crying about their lost freedoms wich they like to use so often to protest for so many things.
im only saying this because it is what i & a growing number of brits are watching happen.
i would prefere to see england destroyed with nuclear weapons than to see old blighty become (islamic republic of england) & lose my freedoms.

Some of what you say is correct but some of it also smacks of BNPism!!!

The answer to this problem is not the far right

[edit on 17-8-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by cooler
when you put lots of different religions together (multiculturism) it will at some point through breeding & or mass immigration (both in & out of the country) end up in some relgious getting smaller & bigger but eventually one religion will become dominant.
now this wouldnt be a problem if all the religions intergrated together under one common law, wich most religions are happy to do.
but when you add a religion that refuses to intigrate & promotes none intigration, this causes huge problems in law/society/human rights/treatment of animals/dress code/alcahole/marrage/relationships/honor killings/freedom to express/freedom to speak/religious hatred/terrorism/gang rape/guns/knife crime.
these are just some of the problems none intigration can & often does cause.
if a religious group that practices none intigration because it sees its self as superior in some goddly way, & decides to use a free society to force its religious dogmas on every one els, the origonal freedoms will be removed as they will have become a threat to the new extreme religion.
if islam ever becomes a magority in the uk/france/germany/denmark/norway/holland/itali/spain/sweden/austria & other countrys out side the eu, will you be happy to lose your freedoms ?.
the lefty loonys will of coarse say this is not happening, but then if islam gets its own way wich is predicted in some years, will the lefty loonys be crying about their lost freedoms wich they like to use so often to protest for so many things.
im only saying this because it is what i & a growing number of brits are watching happen.
i would prefere to see england destroyed with nuclear weapons than to see old blighty become (islamic republic of england) & lose my freedoms.

Some of what you say is correct but some of it also smacks of BNPism!!!

i was expecting this post to be accused of an ism or an ist sooner.
when any one points out whats happening or even mentions (islam/muslim/quran) suddenly fascist/racist/islamophobe/xenophobe are all used in various combonations to discredit any one who speaks the trueth about the current nightmare known as multiculturISM
so to only smack of bnpISM isnt so bad.
your reply slightly smacks of (uaf/searchlightISM) too
but thanks for trying to see past the ISM`S & ISTS to confirm some correct bits in my post

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And then where does it stop. Are these groups not imposing on others in other cultural, by instructing them what to wear in front off muslims.

I am sorry, but no one will tell me what to wear and what not to wear, When I go swimming. Nor would they force me to cover my chidlren up either. Even if they sneered, I would sneer back at them. If this works for one group thenmaybe, the Christians and other religious groups should ask for the same rights as Muslims.

The Nanny state UK has gone OTT.

If they do not want to swim in the pool while there is others in that pool, whom do not wish to wear the exact sme attire as them, then they should build thier own pools, simple.

reply to post by ashnomadonte


Ok,

WHO is gonna be the 1st one on their block

to get one of these things? ..

You'll be THE TALK OF THE TOWN !!!..

You'll never hear the end of it!!!!........