Swimmers are told to wear burkinis

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by Death_Kron

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
Like i said before.... the best way to beat them is to go out in your short tops/tight tops, shorts, short pants, mini skirts (for girls). Shorts, vests, no tops (for guys)..... walk around in your areas like this and i think they'll soon get the message.........

Did you mean walk around their areas dressed like that?

I fear if we did we would probably get shot!

I just meant here in Britain! It's summer now and i still see these Burqa clad women walking around..... I'm saying that if you go out in dress as stated in last post then most Muslims who don't like it will more than likely leave..... or even decide to stay at home all day everyday......

Haha, oh right now I get you!

They can't honestly enjoy wearing those Burqa's all day surely!

reply to post by Death_Kron


I've often asked myself why? Why do they put themselves throught it? We live in a free & democratic society so why do you still feel you need to wear this dress? We fought in Iraq & Afghan for your freedoms so why do you still feel you need to dress as if you are still opressed? I don't get it.... they are free over here so either integrate and join in or leave..... it's simple. We don't want your opressive ways working it's way into our Free World!

Originally posted by Freeborn
I am overweight and am self-conscious of how I look.

Genuinely, that is the only reason I don't go to the public swimming pool and get some much needed exercise.
Can we fatties have our own private sessions?

I think not.

So what makes Muslims so bloody special?

You are right. Muslims aren't any more special than anyone else. And your example is a good one, because they choose not to go to open public swim sessions for personal reasons, just like you. Unlike you however, they seem to hold swimming exercise as important enough to them to try to find a reasonable solution.

If the pool is a public resource, then special interest groups get access to it all the time, swim clubs, schools, exercise classes, etc, etc, etc. Why don't you think a group of 'fatties' couldn't arrange something appropriate?

So why don't you try drumming up enough 'fatties' who want a special session and go to your local council with a proposal. Their schedule may already be full, but if your proposal is strong enough and room can be made you should be celebrated for your efforts.

reply to post by ashnomadonte


All this is done for a noble cause! - to teach young muslim boys & girls how to swim!

So in many European countries the have launched this campaign, to give muslims 1.5 hours a week to have access to public swimming pools under their dress-code.

Background information regarding this:

In many European countries according to the law, school-children must learn how to swim in swimming-classes - usually done during school hours one day a week in the nearby public swinning pool.

Suddenly during 2005 many muslims were upset with this because of their strict swimming dress code, so they refused to let their children to attend these swinning classes because it went against their religion.

For example:

German Court: Muslim Students Must Swim

The administrative court of Düsseldorf dismissed a complaint brought by two Muslim parents from Wuppertal who wanted to keep their son out of a co-ed school swimming class in a landmark case.

The deeply religious Muslim parents of the 11-year-old student were trying to prevent their son from attending swimming classes, where he would mix with girls in bathing suits. They filed a complaint in a Düsseldorf court against school officials. But the court rejected their case, saying that religious beliefs are not a reason to prevent children from attending swimming classes and said that the boy must attend them in the future.

It was not easy for the court to reach such a decision, Chief Judge Uwe Sievers said during the proceedings.

"Religious convictions stand, in this case, against the duty of the school," he said. "But it is not the task of this court to challenge the Quran. Instead, we have to try to reconcile both interests."

Initially, the parents had repeatedly requested that their son be excused from school swimming lessons that both boy and girls took part in. They called such activities "a dangerous influence on the emotional world of young people." The Quran dictates that children over the age of 10 should be segregated by gender.

In the swimming pool, the young boy couldn't help avoid seeing his female classmates, scantily clad in their bathing suits. That is "an unacceptable sight," the complainants' lawyer told the Westdeutsche Zeitung. She said the dismissal of the complaint was tantamount to allowing the local government to interfere in the rights of parents to raise their children.

The suggestion by the parents for girls and boys to receive separate swimming lessons was rejected for "organizational reasons." Judges instead said that separate changing rooms should suffice.

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Berlin officials have said that they have received seven applications from parents asking that their children be exempt from swimming lessons and 18 from sex education classes this year, of which they granted three. Similarly, Hamburg officials denied a request from a Muslim mother to keep her two teenage daughters out of sex education classes. They argued that it is the duty of the school system to teach biology.

www.dw-world.de...

This was in 2005

Since then many religious muslims in many European countries refused to let their children take part of the swimming courses - with the result that young muslim girls & boys didn't learn how to swim!

So what we now are seeing in many European countries is a compromise that have been made between the authorities and the Islamic community to give muslim children & adults swimming skills.

My personal take on this:

Do I like it? - not much since I think immigrants should assimilate to the society as much as they can, and I think the Islamic Shariah dress-code is way too extreme.

I would prefer if all muslim women only had to wear a head-scarf, and not be forced by their men or fathers to obey strict Shariah Laws. But this is their version of religion and they want to keep their young ones in innocence and cover their ladies from mens eyes!

And this is of course just my humble opinion! - if it was up to me, I would forbid all Sharia Laws in Europe!

Most muslims I have met in my life are great people! - just don't like the extreme version of it though!

Just my two €uro-cents!


[edit on 18-8-2009 by Chevalerous]

Another thought i just had is 'if they don't like swimming in our mixed pools then they should try out a Turkish bath..... that would throw them'

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Death_Kron

 

I've often asked myself why? Why do they put themselves throught it? We live in a free & democratic society so why do you still feel you need to wear this dress? We fought in Iraq & Afghan for your freedoms so why do you still feel you need to dress as if you are still opressed?

It is precisely because of the fact that they are still very much oppressed. They come from a country/culture/religion that considers women the property of their men. Honor killings are tolerated. Any woman that dares to disobey her master is beaten, or worse, and there are no penalties for the beaters.

The single most effective cure for this, education, is either denied to women or strictly controlled to prevent them from being influenced by outsiders.

This is why most of them still wear the burqas.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by jsobecky]

reply to post by jsobecky


Yeh, i thought that was the reason but only if they could get the help from a lawyer or friends or something then they could free themselves from it.... all they really need to do is go out one day with their passport, buy some casual clothes, go round to a friends house, change..... then skip country..... go someplace where they wouldn't be found..... then they have their freedom from their restrictive religion and their fanatical husbands!!!!

Oh look, the council has backed down...

Swimming pool's dress code for non-Muslims is scrapped

Croydon council has removed the guidelines from its website after being criticised for barring non-Muslims if they refused to comply with the dress code.

They were put in place for weekend swimming sessions for Muslims at Thornton Heath Leisure Centre despite a general ban on wearing T-shirts in the pool.

So we can all turn our attention to the fact that France is kicking women out of pools for wearing burquinis and considering banning them. We do care about that too, right?

Originally posted by Duzey
Oh look, the council has backed down...

Swimming pool's dress code for non-Muslims is scrapped

Croydon council has removed the guidelines from its website after being criticised for barring non-Muslims if they refused to comply with the dress code.

They were put in place for weekend swimming sessions for Muslims at Thornton Heath Leisure Centre despite a general ban on wearing T-shirts in the pool.

So we can all turn our attention to the fact that France is kicking women out of pools for wearing burquinis and considering banning them. We do care about that too, right?

I just don't see why they have to get special treatment in a Country which isn't theirs..... they are trying to implement their ways everywhere they go.... it's opressive ways! Do you want that? As said before this only creates seperatism!!! Maybe if their religion wasn't so strict people would not be so bothered..... not to mention the absurdity of it.... i'm not anti-religious but that religion is just the worst one out there.....

[edit on 18-8-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


They aren't getting special treatment anymore so it's a moot point.

I'm Canadian, separatism is a way of life here.

Originally posted by Duzey
Oh look, the council has backed down...

Swimming pool's dress code for non-Muslims is scrapped

Croydon council has removed the guidelines from its website after being criticised for barring non-Muslims if they refused to comply with the dress code.

They were put in place for weekend swimming sessions for Muslims at Thornton Heath Leisure Centre despite a general ban on wearing T-shirts in the pool.

So we can all turn our attention to the fact that France is kicking women out of pools for wearing burquinis and considering banning them. We do care about that too, right?

Well that is not the subject of this thread. So no I will not concern my self with France and them kicking those people out for wearing burquinis perhaps you should go start one and we can debate this there. As I do not want this thread derailed.

Well I suppose you can't derail a thread that holds no merit anymore thank you for the info on the council backing down.




[edit on 19-8-2009 by ashnomadonte]

reply to post by ashnomadonte


I'm all for tolerance and respecting the ways of different cultures. So if muslim people feel the need to cover up parts of their body for what ever reason i can respect this but.....

shouldn't they equally respect the ways of other cultures and not be bothered by non-muslims and their way of life??

Tolerance is a two way street, it should come from both directions!!!

If bridging the gap in their tolerance is to big then the answer should be to create your own place to do as you believe and not take over something already in place.

We don't convert churches to mosques every Friday to please our immigrant friends, do we?? We allow them to create their own place of worship. So why would it be different with swimmingpools...??

Having said this, i bet if you asked any muslim immigrant if they agree with the periodic conversion of public places to suite their needs they will also say it is ridiculous. This is just another legislature gone wild, thinking they will bring cultures closer by seperating them!!!

TOLERANCE is the magic word here......

Peace


[edit on 19/8/2009 by operation mindcrime]

Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by ashnomadonte

 

I'm all for tolerance and respecting the ways of different cultures. So if muslim people feel the need to cover up parts of their body for what ever reason i can respect this but.....

shouldn't they equally respect the ways of other cultures and not be bothered by non-muslims and their way of life??

Tolerance is a two way street, it should come from both directions!!!

If bridging the gap in their tolerance is to big then the answer should be to create your own place to do as you believe and not take over something already in place.

We don't convert churches to mosques every Friday to please our immigrant friends, do we?? We allow them to create their own place of worship. So why would it be different with swimmingpools...??

Having said this, i bet if you asked any muslim immigrant if they agree with the periodic conversion of public places to suite their needs they will also say it is ridiculous. This is just another legislature gone wild, thinking they will bring cultures closer by seperating them!!!

TOLERANCE is the magic word here......

Peace


[edit on 19/8/2009 by operation mindcrime]

Yes that is what im saying if they want to push there religious crap on us I say we heap it back on them equally. I don't think any one should force there religion on anyone I say keep it to yourself.

Originally posted by ashnomadonte
Yes that is what im saying if they want to push there religious crap on us I say we heap it back on them equally. I don't think any one should force there religion on anyone I say keep it to yourself.

I agree but the way you bring it i'm reading a hint of anger and like Yoda said...

anger leads to......blablabla

I respect their way of live and i would even be willing to help out in building the facilities they need to feel at home. Like you would treat any other guest, i suppose.

As long as our laws and ways are equally respected.

Peace

reply to post by rnaa


Because I don't want 'special' treatment.
If I wasn't so vain and susceptible to society's conditioning then it wouldn't be a problem, but that's an arguement for another thread.

My arguement is why is it that the only religion that demands such special treatment for it's followers is the repressive and bigotted Islam?

reply to post by operation mindcrime


Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
—The Sith Code

that is the code I live by so at yoda

but I agree with you if they need special bathing suits for females to swim and you want to push it on us go some ware ells in fact I will help you build that some ware ells! I am for what fare is fare you know.

reply to post by Freeborn


Well the argument could be made that Jews and Christians are bigoted I think your following a path that is leading to a bad bad place.

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist


I think you forget many Muslims were born in this country, which makes it their country. Britain has a very long history of immigration. I imagine if you look into your own family tree, it wont take long to see that your ancestors probably weren't born in Britain.

So its not a case of Muslims coming here from other countries, they were born here and have as much right to public services as you and I. And as discussed in earlier threads, pool times can be organised for specified interest groups at certain times.

I imagine the reason the council pulled the decision is because it adds ammunition to thick biggots.

200% behind all your posts St Vaast!

Some here are saying that we're making a mountain about a mole-hill (it's JUST 1.5 hours and about swimming pools etc), but it's totally NOT. This is all about insidious small steps (thin edge of the wedge), long-term Muslim tactics to undermine Western culture, so that one day YOU wake-up and find that YOU are the OUTSIDER!

I despise the weakness of so many PC governments around the world forcing this situation upon us (thank goodness we got rid of HELEN CLARK here in New Zealand, and may stand some hope of slowing down the PC rot).

Banning things like CHRISTMAS for FS! See what Aussies though of the one: BAN XMAS

Suggest some of you OPEN your eyes. peruse and book mark this site: JIHAD WATCH

In my book, if they come to OUR countries, then they should learn to ASSIMILATE to our ways.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

I think you forget many Muslims were born in this country, which makes it their country. Britain has a very long history of immigration. I imagine if you look into your own family tree, it wont take long to see that your ancestors probably weren't born in Britain.

So its not a case of Muslims coming here from other countries, they were born here and have as much right to public services as you and I. And as discussed in earlier threads, pool times can be organised for specified interest groups at certain times.

I imagine the reason the council pulled the decision is because it adds ammunition to thick biggots.

I never said there were no Muslims born here..... what i'm saying is they shouldn't be trying to get everything to run according their religion!!

Next they'll be trying to ban men walking around with no tops on on a summer day........