Has ATS become A Right Wing Side Show!?!?

yes... all of us democrats have to sit down and shut up, because of all the insults we throw on the right-wingers... we should just listen carefully and FINALLY!! realize what real communists we are for wanting healthcare we can afford. this is just so unpatriotic of us, because your right!!...insurance companies have the absolute constitutional right to not pay on claims, raise the premiums as high as they like, and stall as long as they can on claims, so their sick and disgusting "clients" will just die and go away. please, oh please except our forgiveness.

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


Sure you can call your insults whatever you want and you can continue to dodge the matter of people clearly being biased and extremely bigotory and in my eyes ANTI-AMERICAN. You seem to be quite set in your views so clearly there is no debating with you, you talk as if you know and clearly there isn't any room for debate. You contradict yourself by insulting someone then say it isn't that because it's the truth because it's what YOU say. Whatever keep on keeping on your in the majority have fun.

reply to post by jimmyx


Tahnk you one of the reasons I'm for the bill. Just let them continue to think "their" right, they're just continueing to forawrd my point.

The saddest side effect of all is that because the volume has been turned up so badly, good threads are starting to be ignored. And ATS has become nothing but partisanship.

Important issues are hardly getting any attention.

It used to be you could find an expert on anything. Now decent subjects are either insulted or ignored.



Whatever your contention is with a subject matter, you need to leave the baggage on that thread, and not ignore good material because of bad feelings.


This topic about newspapers should of been much more involved. YOur talking about the destruction of an American way of life. American would not of been what it is without newspapers. Yet it was hardly touched.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


I did this bit on Amelia Earhart, which certainly should of had some experts contributing but it hardly got anything.
Meanwhile, it has a decent conspiracy theory.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


That also goes with posting. If you start off with Bush or Obama are Nazis and this bill sucks and your this.. well basically you are already starting the thread off on the wrong foot, and turning on the volume full at the beginning.

instead of a mature and experienced: I don't like the health care bill because I think it would hurt the private industry. yea or nay?

People are gonna get a more amicable vibe and debate.

But you start off flaming, the whole thread is going to be flaming. And nothing gets done except raise people's blood pressure.

If you insist on flame bait, then you really don't care about the issues, you really don't care about educating posters or having a decent discussion. You don't care about the quality of ATS .You jsut want to be angry at something, anything,and you want to rile the masses to be angry with you.

ATS seems right wing at the moment because it's a conspiracy site, where people who don't trust powerful institutions come to vent their frustrations and concerns.

During the Bush Administration, people used to complain about how "left wing" the site was.

The truth is, we have a uniquely wide variety of beliefs & opinions on this site, united only by a common distrust of authority.

When the "left" is running things, they take the heat here, and when the "right" is running things, they take it.

That's just the way things are.

reply to post by NoJoker13

Sure you can call your insults whatever you want and you can continue to dodge the matter of people clearly being biased and extremely bigotory and in my eyes ANTI-AMERICAN. You seem to be quite set in your views so clearly there is no debating with you, you talk as if you know and clearly there isn't any room for debate. You contradict yourself by insulting someone then say it isn't that because it's the truth because it's what YOU say. Whatever keep on keeping on your in the majority have fun.

I'm not insulting you I'm telling the truth, it isn't because "I say so" it is because it is on display for everyone to see.

How am I being biased? By telling you the way things are and not how you perceive them to be?

Sure some people are bigots and biased, just the way life is. You are doing the same thing by trying to paint everybody with broad brush that doesn't agree with you. You did it in the op by calling everybody that you consider "right wing" nazi's communist, etc .

You can debate with me all that you want, I have an open mind, but after you make a thread complaining about "right wing bias" don't be surprised if people don't take you seriously.

I have not insulted you, I have simply told you about yourself, you opened yourself up to it by starting this thread. So if you don't like being told about yourself then don't start threads like these, and I can assure you I have not contradicted myself. More to the point I pointed out the contradictions that you have made.

Another thing, we are on a conspiracy site, people usually on a conspiracy site, that has a lot to do with government cover-ups and the likes, don't be surprised when people have an anti-government bias.

reply to post by xmotex

ATS seems right wing at the moment because it's a conspiracy site, where people who don't trust powerful institutions come to vent their frustrations and concerns.

By Jove, I think you've got it!

reply to post by nixie_nox


Very well said nixie ... and ty for the thread pimpin'.

This is slightly off topic, but since some folk seem hellbent on dumping their blog masters' talking points onto ATS with increasing and aggravating regularity, I wish the boss would consider doubling up the size of the "recent posts" page, or give us the option to turn off the political forum (like we have for swine flu) so we can take a breather every once in a while. Waaay too many thoughtful, considered, and quality threads, on the topics many of us came here in the first place to discuss, are being buried under a mountain of dogma and vitriol.

After a while, sifting through all this partisan nonsense becomes an ordeal.

I'm not saying stop people from speaking their mind, just give some of the other topics and discussions a fair opportunity to be seen.

[edit on 16 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by schrodingers dog

The threads that draw the most interest end up in the queue on recent posts. If a thread is not of interest, it drops off quickly. Perhaps your threads just aren't that interesting to members. Maybe you're just trying too hard. Go with the flow. Do you really need to create threads to get your points across? It seems like there is plenty going on, so something should interest you. If not, wait until you have something of real interest to create your thread.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


I am fully aware my threads aren't that interesting.

Thanks for the great advice thought.

Edit: Btw, if your ability to turn something, that was earnestly meant as helpful suggestion for everyone's benefit into a foundation for a personal insult, we are in even bigger trouble than we thought.

[edit on 16 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

The threads that draw the most interest end up in the queue on recent posts. If a thread is not of interest, it drops off quickly. Perhaps your threads just aren't that interesting to members. Maybe you're just trying too hard. Go with the flow. Do you really need to create threads to get your points across? It seems like there is plenty going on, so something should interest you. If not, wait until you have something of real interest to create your thread.

Wow that isn't insulting.
or maybe people can't figure out what is a real issue or what isn't.


Or people have become so hellbent on the partisan bickering that they don't care to participate in anything else, since it isn't as emotionally driven.

reply to post by nixie_nox


Agreed I started a thread a few weeks ago about a possible radiation spill in my local dump where 100 people were sickened and it got a few views. I thought the subject of possible volatile chemicals in our back yard definently deserved more play, just like some of the threads you hinted too. I'll take a look and I do agree, this thread was to basically prove a point and I think that point has been proven.

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


Like I said debate done your set in your ideals... have a party; if you can't understand the foley in your logic then whatever to me your lost and you apparently have a few trolls following you around to star every one of your threads. Why are they trolls because they don't respond to why their giving your thread props. Regardless of that you haven't once taken my point of view into consideration all you've done is stated why in your eyes it's incorrect. Like I said have fun believing what you want you seem to be on your own path.

Also this: 'Another thing, we are on a conspiracy site, people usually on a conspiracy site, that has a lot to do with government cover-ups and the likes, don't be surprised when people have an anti-government bias.'

You clearly have entirely missed my point and this statement says it all. My point is not being Anti-government but being Anti-american, these people seem only to want to cause chaos and get nothing done rather then something. Again clearly you've missed my point over and over and over and over again.


[edit on 16-8-2009 by NoJoker13]

reply to post by xmotex


If you'd read my other posts you would've relized I was just against the biased views of the left while bush was in office. We are for america as americans and giving into chaotic disorder will help nothing.

reply to post by NoJoker13

Like I said debate done your set in your ideals

No I'm always open to better ways to do things, but trying to get me to go back to an ideology that I have since broken away from because I saw the complete lack of logic associated with isn't going to happen.

have a party; if you can't understand the foley in your logic then whatever to me your lost and you apparently have a few trolls following you around to star every one of your threads. Why are they trolls because they don't respond to why their giving your thread props.

More complaining, insults, and assumptions.

Regardless of that you haven't once taken my point of view into consideration all you've done is stated why in your eyes it's incorrect.

What point of view is that? That you are complaining about this site having a "right wing bias" when we are on a conspiracy site where most people that come to this board are anti-government.

What point of view is that? The point of view that you called the supposed "right wing bias" people, communist, Nazi's, fascist, etc? Also you said that after you started complaining about how those same people were calling Dem's those same names. It really sounds like a school yard kindergarten argument, "I know you are but what am I".

Then for people to come into this thread and mention that the "loonies and crazies should be run off" and those are the people that are agreeing with you, maybe you should try looking at it from a different view point. It's written right there. If you have to wonder why the supposed "right wingers" are labeling people those names, is because certain people have proven that is the way they are acting. Once again truth, it's all right here in the thread.

Like I said have fun believing what you want you seem to be on your own path.

I'm not believing what I want, I am seeing it happen with my own two eyes with an open mind. Actually yea, I like being on my own path, I'm an individual and can think for myself. I'm just saying I've done the research and expanded my mind to the goings on of the world.

I'm very open to debate, but I've also lived a lot of life and seen a lot of things and seen different sides of a lot of things. I will tell you one thing, I'm all for stuff that works and very open new ideas that work or at least new ideas that haven't been implemented or tried I will gladly hash out why it would and why it wouldn't work, but if you are going to try to push upon me a viewpoint that has been tried and tired and tired again and has failed, I'm not going to listen to you, it's pointless to try the same failed thing over and over again hoping that it works.

Maybe if you spent the time asking the right questions instead of complaining about things because they don't agree with your viewpoint, you might actually learn something.

I'm an individual and do cut my own path, and proud of it.

You clearly have entirely missed my point and this statement says it all. My point is not being Anti-government but being Anti-american, these people seem only to want to cause chaos and get nothing done rather then something. Again clearly you've missed my point over and over and over and over again.

What is anti-American? Questioning the government? No sir, that is why we have a country called America, questioning your countries government is the right thing to do. It has nothing to do with chaos many people offer up solutions, but they get dismissed because some people only want one thing, that is a single payer system, it is either that or nothing at at.

I'm sure if we took a poll the overwhelming majority would want health care reform, just nothing to do with a government option of single payer system.

What point is that? The point you are trying to label everybody on this site that disagrees with you a Nazi, or Fascist, or Communist, etc?


[edit on 16-8-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


Blah blah blah keep up the double standard, it's really working. Not so funny when the insluts are coming your way. Also when did I call you a Nazi? I believe I stated that co-workers of mine called Obama that but clearly I haven't said that about anybody, I'm sure with your superior debating skills you can find that somewhere in this thread where I called someone a Nazi or a facist or a communist that didn't already label the other side that first.

[edit on 16-8-2009 by NoJoker13]

reply to post by NoJoker13

Blah blah blah keep up the double standard, it's really working. Not so funny when the insluts are coming your way.

What double standard? The only double standard is the one you are throwing out. If you don't believe me go back and read the whole thread over again. You are the one that painted the "right wing bias" and everybody that contribute towards it as Nazi's Communist, fascist, etc. It wasn't me.

Yes, I disagree with you because these people are anti-government, they are in no way Nazi's Communist, or Fascist, or any other name you try to label them.

Actually I'm laughing at you, because you started a thread insulting people, but when it is pointed out to you that you are doing the same thing that you are accusing people, you claim you aren't doing it. Then you are accusing me for having "failed logic".

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


Like I said copy and paste where I said that before it was said to the other side first, you can't cause clearly you read the papers and watch the news. The Repub's threw out that card first and all I'm doing is tossing it back.

Originally posted by contemplator
The best forum communities I have ever used catered to the liberal mindset and ran off conservatives & religious loonies. It is a shame ATS can't do the same. The fact is (proven scientifically) that conservatives are not open to differing viewpoints. In fact the more evidence they are presented with the firmer their twisted stance becomes. This site has a conservative christian cabal that almost renders it useless.

I find this to be completely true.
I didn't really expect to encounter it here, so I was unpleasantly surprised.

reply to post by NoJoker13


Now you are just making excuses. Like I said goes right back the "I know you are but what am I" argument.

The fact is you said it, the government has been setting up a fascist dictatorship now for years. That is the truth.

Obama is just furthering that plan right along. That is the facts no spin no bias. If you really expect people to look at things from your viewpoint you are going to have to do better than, "They said it first, I'm just simply turning it around".

Now you have turned the argument around and I'm debating you on it. You have not come up with anything to prove that your assertions are based in reality, just a bunch of insults towards me which, let me remind you, you instigated by complaining about a thread that I participated in that you could have just as easily participated in, but instead you chose to complain about how the thread is going to have a right wing bias before the thread was even close to being finished.

The fact is, you have proven to me that you are lazy and want people to do all the work for you, and when you "think" something is going to have a certain spin you immediately scream "right wing bias".

Those are the facts.