NAVY Space Command Uncovered

reply to post by zorgon
I don't always (often?!) see eye to eye with your interpretations...but credit where it's due, this was a very interesting thread. The OPs had my attention all the way and some of the links are pretty intriguing too. It was well written and laid out and no extraordinary claims either. I even made it through all the replies. Well done to Exie as well. There's a handful of OP writing experts around ATS lately...this is one the best IMO. I know when I've read a good thread...it's when I learn something new. I learned plenty here

The Navy Space Command has been an openly public topic in the NAV, at least among sailors for 20 years. The goal has been to harvest resources from other planets, starting with the moon. The Navy knows that the only way to get there is advoid taking a craft through the atmosphere. A stable space station with sane people on it is a good start. The first step is to be able to shuttle people on and off every month. This will require a fuel efficent manner of getting there. Once that is established, creating a ship that can travel at least to mars is hightly feasable. Next step is to build a refueling station there and develop speed to get you there in days, not years.

Honestly, look at our advances in the last 50 years. If we get our heads out of the hershey highway and look up again. We can develop some sort of "next step" travel. I for one, would give my left nut to be in space, I have never been the best at math so getting in space was never an option.

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Your source is incorrect. A PG cloud occurs at transonic speeds (speeds close to the speed of sound).

Finally, it should be clear that Prandtl-Glauert condensation has nothing to do with "breaking the sound barrier" and is not a Star Trek-like "burst" through Mach one. An aircraft can generate a Prandtl-Glauert condensation cloud without ever exceeding the speed of sound.

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This photograph was taken by a civilian photographer and published in Aviation Week and Space Technology. It won a photo contest. The B-2 is not a supersonic aircraft and this is not a demonstration of an exotic propulsion system. I doubt the photo would have been made public if it were displaying any untoward phenomenon.

We were fairly low in altitude when the shot was taken, and heading home from the mission.

There is enough moisture over the ocean to actually cause that phenomon to happen at various speeds, not just supersonic. That is why people on the navy carriers can get that shot more often than most land-based aircraft photographers.

wilk4.com...

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Originally posted by Phage The B-2 is not a supersonic aircraft and this is not a demonstration of an exotic propulsion system.

Somehow I knew you would use that picture but I will leave that for another day

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Somehow I knew you'd know.
That's why the preemptive disclaimer.

I had the opportunity of working in SpaWar as a contract employee with appropriate clearances. I do recall every single door in that building locked and had proximity badges, while other doors were literally like Bank Vaults. There were also some areas of the building that had "Radiation" warnings. I do recall walking down a hallway which had dozens upon dozens of photographs, that had emblems that were matted and autographs from various engineering, scientific, and other teams. Some of these photos were fascinating!!!

I was not allowed to bring any electronic device in the building. Or cell phones, USB thumb drives, wrist watches, and anything else electronic had to be turned over and given to an officer, so I had no way to photograph anything. But I remember some of the photos showing "astronauts" in black suits, and black helmets. Others in Blue suits/white helmets, and still others in the typical suits that you showed in this thread. They would have a project name under it and many times the frames had photographs of the scientific or engineering teams matted in them as well. There would be signatures all over the pictures. I am guessing these were part of a ceremony to commemorate a project coming to completion or successfully being deployed.

One frame caught my eye in particular, it showed a large group of astronauts in black suits, black helmets. Then it had the project name under it, which I do not recall, and then a badge. The badge showed the earth, and these rings/orbits going around it, and then it showed a submarine darting from the earth and some latin words around the border. I remember there being white stars, a red star, and a blue star and a small grey circle that looked kind of like the moon partially covering the earth. There was also a red dot in one corner of the badge. In the two lower corners of the frame were smaller photos, one showing a group of scientists in typical white lab coats, and on the other side some folks in suits and more formal attire.

I wasn't able to look at many of the framed photos for very long, as I was being escorted by a navy guy and he told me to "hurry it up" and so I complied.

Rockets are for NASA...

Triangles are for the Navy... I don't know that for Fact but as we have seen in this rather 'well detailed research presentation' that the Navy took over Space command in the the early 80's which correlates to some sightings around that decade; It makes you wonder......

As David Bowie wrote.... *Take your Protein Pill and Put Your Helmet On* ( I really wonder if that guy was connected to more than Coke at that time LOL )








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[edit on 16-8-2009 by Somamech]

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Exub1, I think what Sam60 is asking is valid. I'd like to include a follow-up to his questions: Why did you use what appeared to be an artist's rendering of a speculative space plane system design?

Sorry to pipe in among the titans.

C'mon WW my man. If they are black-ops how would one gain pix?

As Wonderworld pointed out pages ago, the "public" never saw the Blackbird SR71
until after retirement.

Plus, didn't "they" do a fine job keeping F117 Stealth fighter under wraps: (8 years from delivery to public view.) I'm sure thousands were involved in it's development/production. No?






Bold emphasis mine.

The first F-117A was delivered in 1982, and the last delivery was in the summer of 1990. . .The stealth fighter emerged from the classified world while stationed at Tonapah Airfield with an announcement by the Pentagon in November 1988 and was first shown publicly at Nellis in April 1990. The 4450th TG was deactivated in October 1989, and was reactivated as the 37th Tactical Fighter Wing.

Source

Several pix with support crew:
www.fas.org...

Just sayin'.

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Funny you mention that as the public in this day and age where people in well to do country's have recorded Triangles left right and centre on their handy little devices they have at hand since the 80's

Zorgon hello,

I hope I didn't miss this in your great thread here but I'm getting old and I might have.

The Sea Launch Facilities...... it tells of the launch platform Odyssey which was a former North Sea oil drilling platform. It tells about the ships and how the rockets are transferred to the Equator, I don't know if this is old news probably is but...

www.boeing.com...

Sorry if I am barking up wrong tree

Next:

I was watching a show I had on DVR called That's Impossible and it was about Death Rays and Energy Weapons Sci-Fi into Reality.

They talked about a place called Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory 50 miles East of San Francisco, Cal. weapons facility

Inside they have a special division known as the National Emission Facility and they are working on the most powerful Laser Project. The goal to create a laser that produces an energy level of a Nuclear bomb.

They plan to fire all 192 laser beams at once...each beam starts slowly and builds in power they merge into one beam 500 PETAWATTS in 2 billionth of a second (500 times entire peak power of US) it cooks the Hydrogen pellet to 800 million degrees creating Nuclear Fusion creating more Energy then our Sun.

They say when these Lasers go on line in 2010 are we looking at a dawn of a new age in Energy or something else.

They also said tomorrows wars will need far less laser energy and all this is intended to be used for the good but what if it isn't.

Military

It is said that the DOD in 1962 was weaponizing lasers as part of arsenal known of course as Directed Energy Weapons and 'Zeus" anti- mine lasers were used in Afganistan in 2003

The Army at White Sands Range, N.M the year 2000 was preparing to test the Tactical High Energy Laser known as "Fel" goal to test firing range and accuracy which was to shoot a live rocket out of the sky. The Pentagon wants this weapons ready to deploy by 2015. In June 2006 they tested rocket going mach1 and shot it out of the sky.

Now to be honest I thought most new it was the Navy that has most to do with all this however weather in just a small way all departments of our military have there hands in the till and work together in one way or another knowingly or not.

One last thing and yes, I have to get my Alien point in here. At some point you will know if you don't already that Raytheon has involvement in all this Now stay with me. Vannever Bush who was a part of the MJ12 started a Company with two others knows as American Appliance which name had to be changed due to another Company owning the name first. They named this new Company Raytheon.

I hope you see the humor in this most don't and I do laugh but:

"RAY"comes from "Rai" and old French word meaning "BEAM OF LIGHT" and "THEON" comes from Greek meaning "FROM THE GODS"

Look up Raytheon the History Early Days.

www.raytheon.com...

Elitist, UFO, Aliens, Technology, Deepest waters, Navy, Space... oh, my.





[edit on 16-8-2009 by observe50]

Originally posted by DJM8507Then it had the project name under it, which I do not recall, and then a badge.

Too bad, because a project name would be very useful I'll see if I can find that badge

Originally posted by Somamech
Rockets are for NASA...

Triangles are for the Navy... I don't know that for Fact but .....

I do

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z, would that tantalyzing sneakaroo pic be of the storied "black triangle" silent hovering with-a-light-at-each-corner type thingy observed, well, ALL OVER the World? (Brussels and Phoenix pop into my head, for some reason...)??

Or, more 'conventional' flying machine....I see it has a nosewheel....

Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Exub1, I think what Sam60 is asking is valid. I'd like to include a follow-up to his questions: Why did you use what appeared to be an artist's rendering of a speculative space plane system design?

Sorry to pipe in among the titans.

C'mon WW my man. If they are black-ops how would one gain pix?

As Wonderworld pointed out pages ago, the "public" never saw the Blackbird SR71
until after retirement.

Plus, didn't "they" do a fine job keeping F117 Stealth fighter under wraps: (8 years from delivery to public view.) I'm sure thousands were involved in it's development/production. No?

And yet somehow...some internet guy who claims to have proven there are bases and domes on the moon can find all the info about top secret navy spacecraft rather easily. It is a valid question. The post is not clear and the evidence of everyone's claims so far are as impressive as the best bigfoot hunters in the world!

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Nope. She don't hover. She stays in the atmosphere too.
X-47B

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I thought was the new UAV!!! I'm getting lazy --- making you do all the research!! Sorry....

Cool beans, they say that thing wil be able to operate off of a Flat Top. Eventually......

Originally posted by evil incarnate
The post is not clear and the evidence of everyone's claims so far are as impressive as the best bigfoot hunters in the world!

Maybe this will help you out.

Circumstantial evidence is evidence which requires or allows a trier of fact to make an inference which supports the truth of an assertion (in criminal law, an assertion of guilt or of absence of guilt). That is, the evidence only supports indirectly the truth of the assertion. By contrast, direct evidence supports the truth of an assertion directly—i.e., without need for any intervening inference.

Testimony that the witness saw the defendant shoot the victim gives direct evidence. A forensic scientist who testifies that ballistics proves the defendant’s firearm killed the victim gives circumstantial evidence, from which the defendant’s guilt may be inferred.

Similarly, a witness who testifies that she watched the defendant stab the victim gives direct evidence. A witness who says that she saw the defendant enter a house, that she heard screaming, and that she saw the defendant leave with a bloody knife gives circumstantial evidence.
SOURCE

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reply to post by weedwhacker

would that tantalyzing sneakaroo pic be of the storied "black triangle" silent hovering with-a-light-at-each-corner type thingy observed, well, ALL OVER the World?

You mean like this???
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/48934e92be07.jpg[/atsimg]

That sure doesn't seem like your standard atmospheric aircraft now does it?



I think what the point of the pictures of the stealth UAV and such are is to show that is only what becomes public knowledge, how much further do you think they have possibly taken the triangular design?



[edit on 8/16/2009 by jkrog08]

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by DJM8507Then it had the project name under it, which I do not recall, and then a badge.

Too bad, because a project name would be very useful

I'll see if I can find that badge

I do apologize for not being able to provide it. A lot of the text in these matted/framed photographs were pretty small and I was walking pretty brisking down that hallway.

I spent the past hour or so searching for various patches/badges/logos online and I wasn't able to find it. I'll try to do a photoshop "Mock-up" of what I can remember when I get a chance. I doubt that the Navy is actually launching Submarines into Space, as it was probably symbolic, but the dark colored/blackish space suits were interesting. I do wonder if it was a super dark blue or green now that I think of it. The lighting in the hallways wasn't exactly the best either.

The room I eventually was led to had a lot of these "glass walls" that separated various rooms, and a lot of the computers/terminals had black pieces of paper on the monitors and over the keyboards. Some computers had a Green sticker and others had a RED one, I believe it said "Unclassified" and "classified" and there were others that said NSA or something or the other. They were really tight and kept us from wandering and/or looking around too much. I was there to literally remove outdated computers and throw them in boxes.

I have worked dozens of contracts on military bases, mainly to build up my resume. SpaWar and some "Crypto" school that had copper sheeted walls, and bank vault rooms/doors was the closest I really got to interesting stuff. But I have spoken to many and heard much interesting hearsay over the years.

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Nice one Jkrog!
That's it or rather one of them.
If i were the admiral in charge of the U.S. Triangle Starship fleet,
I would station 3 off the east coast and 4 off the west coast.
7 miles from shore at an altitude of about 10,000 feet.
Call it U.S. Navy Space Command for how but change it to
Starfleet Command when people from other nations are
encouraged to attend Starfleet Academy.