NAVY Space Command Uncovered

reply to post by Sam60

What winglets do is (in effect) increase the effective wingspan which reduces induced drag but wingtip vortices cannot be eliminated. They go hand in hand with the production of lift.

Re: The photos. They are not the same effect. The top image shows the wingtip vortices "capturing" the contrails separately, they are not merging. Note how they spread. The lower image demonstrates the Crow Instability in action. The counter-rotating vortices merge and form independent vortex rings.

Don't ask me why it happens sometimes and not others.

Originally posted by zorgon
NAVY Space Command Uncovered

Many of you know that for years John and I have insisted on there being a secret astronaut program.

Originally posted by Aliensun
The premise of this thread proves to be really disappointing. First, the video is for viewers of about a first-year college level. It has some educational value, but the only portion important to the argument offered is the naval logo at the very beginning, and that is meaningless when you consider that it is merely a patch of a part of a part of a system.

Zorgon ... you've provided a good deal of interesting info but mainly relating to hardware/technical issues.

However, I'm in agreement with Aliensun's comment above and unless I've missed something vital and illuminating, I'm sorry to say but I feel I'm completely missing the point you're trying to make with this lengthy thread of yours.

You title your thread "Navy Space Command Uncovered" and the initial impression I get from reading that sentence is that you're about to make a revelation that there is a completely seperate and for all intents and purposes, a clandestine organization that trains, maintains and supports a cadre of "off the books" astronauts along with all the supporting hardware/infrastructure required for such an organization.
Furthermore, a further implication inherent within the thread title is that this clandestine and unknown "Navy Space Command" was created and therefore exists to perform some required role or to undertake some kind of tasks that NASA must obviously be completely unsuited to perform.

So I guess I have 2 question for you:

"What EXACTLY are the SPECIFIED roles, duties and missions that these "secret" astronauts and specifically the Navy Space Command WOULD be called on to perform ?"

"What missions and objectives have ALREADY been assigned to, and COMPLETED by, these "secret astronauts" and the Navy Space Command since it's inception ?"

A sonic boom is created because as an aircraft approaches that barrier soundwaves are compressed onto one another until they literally EXPLODE over the leading edge of the wing that is still holding them together because they have no other place to go.
And yeah, it creates a pretty cool halo effect around the plane.

However, I think Phage was probably referring to 'visible effect in the contrail of the jet'.
In that regard there is none. Unless you are arguing that the plane breaks the barrier 30 times per second to create that effect. Slowing below the barrier each time...

But in reality, it is simply an effect of the atmosphere.

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by Sam60

 

Like I said, I don't think that the doughnut contrails indicate any sort of pulse directed propulsion system.

I just thought it would be interesting to post a little info "for" & "against".

On balance, "against" seems to win.

To my mind, the pulse repetition frequency, the turbulence issue & the PDE operating parameters (as mooted) work to pretty well kill off PDE as a possible cause of the "donut contrails".

I leave the "door ajar" just a tiny, tiny bit in view of some other material that I've read, with reference to a small set of satellite pictures of such a contrail. I might have a another look at that today, if I get time.



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Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by wonderworld

 

This thread was diverted into CONTRAILS when someone used the picture of a doughnut vapor-trail as an illustration of some sort of advanced propulsion.

That was me.

Like I said previously, I was a little concerned this might get off topic.

However, I was conjecturing as to how some of the mooted advanced propulsion aircraft projects might tie in with the whole concept of the Navy space program.

reply to post by JayinAR

No.
There is no visible or any other sensible effect which occurs at the "instant" an aircraft exceeds the speed of sound. The formation of a cone shaped cloud by high speed aircraft is commonly misinterpreted as "breaking the sound barrier" it is not. It occurs at transonic speeds and is not related to the shock waves produced by supersonic flight. It is called a Prandtl-Glauert Cloud.

As has been pointed out, a sonic boom is a continuous phenomenon produced by the passage of the shock wave of an aircraft flying at supersonic speeds. It is not produced by "breaking the sound barrier".


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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Sam60

 

What winglets do is (in effect) increase the effective wingspan which reduces induced drag but wingtip vortices cannot be eliminated. They go hand in hand with the production of lift.

Re: The photos. They are not the same effect. The top image shows the wingtip vortices "capturing" the contrails separately, they are not merging. Note how they spread. The lower image demonstrates the Crow Instability in action. The counter-rotating vortices merge and form independent vortex rings.

Don't ask me why it happens sometimes and not others.

OK.......thanks Phage.

I'm a little unclear about that, so Ill do some off-line reading about it so as not to distract this thread.

reply to post by Sam60


I was just adding what I could. Which isn't really anything.

Anyhow, from my vantage-point in regards to your photos, I would disagree with Phage.
Mainly because of difference in view angles in question. I could see how those differing contrails could converge in the proper atmospheric conditions, due to a lack of pressure between the two trails.

But I digress. This is why Phage is considered an expert in this stuff. He knows his stuff.

reply to post by Phage


Oh, I see.
Is this why I have seen it argued, and even parroted the argument, that the actual "speed of sound" is variable, based on atmospheric controls?

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by Phage

 

Oh, I see.
Is this why I have seen it argued, and even parroted the argument, that the actual "speed of sound" is variable, based on atmospheric controls?

You are correct.

It is variable.

reply to post by JayinAR


The SR-71 was known to leave similar contrails, as the one shown.

reply to post by wonderworld


I've seen a 737 leave these contrails.
2nd line.

reply to post by Phage

As has been pointed out, a sonic boom is a continuous phenomenon produced by the passage of the shock wave of an aircraft flying at supersonic speeds. It is not produced by "breaking the sound barrier".

I'm not trying to be argumentive here, so bear with me please. I'm trying to better understand it.
But from what I understand the barrier IS actually a catalyst, but that the speed in which it takes to get there is what may change.
Now, once that barrier is broken, yes, it is a prolonged "blast" if you will, as the compressed waves simply have nowhere to go. So they erupt over the leading edge continually.

I didn't realize, however, that the cloud you speak of wasn't a result of breaking this barrier.

Don't take it the wrong way. I am reading more on it as we speak.

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by Phage

 

Oh, I see.
Is this why I have seen it argued, and even parroted the argument, that the actual "speed of sound" is variable, based on atmospheric controls?

Here's a little info (I think I'm off topic again.....sorry Z)

I recall having to calculate compressibility & hence "speed of sound" when I was in aircrew officer training many years ago.

The lower the density that of a medium, the faster the speed of sound and the higher the compressibility is, the slower the sound travels. The speed of sound in air is approximately 331.5 m/s at 0 °C or around 1200 km per hour. The speed of sound through air is approximately 343 m/s at normal room temperature, which is at 20 °C. The speed of sound through air is 346 m/s at 25 °C. The speed of sound in air is approximately figured out by the formula …

speed of sound (m/s) = 331.5 + 0.60 T(°C)

For example, the speed of sound in air is 386 m/s at 100 °C. The sound of speed in air is increased by 0.60 m/s for each increase of degree in air temperature. The speed of sound is faster at higher temperatures because molecules collide more often.

hypertextbook.com...

I once recall that just for the sake of showing us the calcs, our course commander "proved" a 747 could go supersonic under (very) extreme atmospheric conditions.

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reply to post by Sam60


Thanks.

I have a basic understanding of it. I am actually reading more on it now.
But as you said, we are off topic. So I'll drop out now.

Thanks again.

reply to post by wonderworld


Did I say anything about chemtrails?

You did mention the ionosphere so I assumed the direction you were heading was HAARP, apologies if this isn't the case.

I will ask again though, what you are getting at when you say that breaking the sound barrier is more than just sound?

So maybe LSWONE can tell us what day he took this photo?



I think it was August 1 around 2PMish.

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ahm i remember also some hacker that hacked into the mil mainframe or so and posted some info and documents with also

Off world officers

space command

Navale space command

etc etc etc


In 2002, Gary McKinnon was arrested by the UK's national high-tech crime unit, after being accused of hacking into Nasa and the US military computer networks.

He says he spent two years looking for photographic evidence of alien spacecraft and advanced power technology. The U.S. Bush administration now wants to put him on trial, and if tried there he could face 60 years behind bars.

The search for proof of the existence of UFOs landed Gary McKinnon in a world of trouble.

After allegedly hacking into NASA websites -- where he says he found images of what looked like extraterrestrial spaceships -- the 40-year-old Briton faces extradition to the United States from his North London home. If convicted, McKinnon could receive a 70-year prison term and up to $2 million in fines.

"I knew that governments suppressed antigravity, UFO-related technologies, free energy or what they call zero-point energy. This should not be kept hidden from the public when pensioners can't pay their fuel bills", says McKinnon.

McKinnon told Wired Magazine that he found a "book with 400 testimonials from everyone from air traffic controllers to those responsible for launching nuclear missiles. Very credible witnesses. They talk about reverse-(engineered) technology taken from captured or destroyed alien craft."

McKinnon also provided Wired Magazine with testimony from, "A NASA photographic expert said that there was a Building 8 at Johnson Space Center where they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. I logged on to NASA and was able to access this department. They had huge, high-resolution images stored in their picture files. They had filtered and unfiltered, or processed and unprocessed, files."

"My dialup 56K connection was very slow trying to download one of these picture files. As this was happening, I had remote control of their desktop, and by adjusting it to 4-bit color and low screen resolution, I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. It was a silvery, cigar-shaped object with geodesic spheres on either side. There were no visible seams or riveting. There was no reference to the size of the object and the picture was taken presumably by a satellite looking down on it. The object didn't look manmade or anything like what we have created. Because I was using a Java application, I could only get a screenshot of the picture -- it did not go into my temporary internet files. At my crowning moment, someone at NASA discovered what I was doing and I was disconnected."

I also got access to Excel spreadsheets. One was titled "Non-Terrestrial Officers." It contained names and ranks of U.S. Air Force personnel who are not registered anywhere else. It also contained information about ship-to-ship transfers, but I've never seen the names of these ships noted anywhere else.

Banned from using the internet, Gary also spoke to Spencer Kelly to tell his side of the story, ahead of his extradition hearing on Wednesday, 10 May. You can read what he had to say here.

Spencer Kelly: Here's your list of charges: you hacked into the Army, the Navy, the Air Force, the Department of Defense, and Nasa, amongst other things. Why?

Gary McKinnon: I was in search of suppressed technology, laughingly referred to as UFO technology. I think it's the biggest kept secret in the world because of its comic value, but it's a very important thing.

Old-age pensioners can't pay their fuel bills, countries are invaded to award oil contracts to the West, and meanwhile secretive parts of the secret government are sitting on suppressed technology for free energy.

SK: How did you go about trying to find the stuff you were looking for in Nasa, in the Department of Defense?

GM: Unlike the press would have you believe, it wasn't very clever. I searched for blank passwords, I wrote a tiny Perl script that tied together other people's programs that search for blank passwords, so you could scan 65,000 machines in just over eight minutes.

SK: So you're saying that you found computers which had a high-ranking status, administrator status, which hadn't had their passwords set - they were still set to default?

GM: Yes, precisely.

SK: Were you the only hacker to make it past the slightly lower-than-expected lines of defence?

GM: Yes, exactly, there were no lines of defence. There was a permanent tenancy of foreign hackers. You could run a command when you were on the machine that showed connections from all over the world, check the IP address to see if it was another military base or whatever, and it wasn't...

SK: Over what kind of period were you hacking into these computers? Was it a one-time only, or for the course of a week?

GM: Oh no, it was a couple of years.

SK: And you went unnoticed for a couple of years?

GM: Oh yes. I used to be careful about the hours.

SK: So you would log on in the middle of the night, say?

GM: Yes, I'd always be juggling different time zones. Doing it at night time there's hopefully not many people around. But there was one occasion when a network engineer saw me and actually questioned me and we actually talked to each other via WordPad, which was very, very strange.

SK: So what did he say? And what did you say?

GM: He said "What are you doing?" which was a bit shocking. I told him I was from Military Computer Security, which he fully believed.

SK: Did you find what you were looking for?

GM: Yes.

SK: Tell us about it.

GM: There was a group called the Disclosure Project. They published a book which had 400 expert witnesses ranging from civilian air traffic controllers, through military radar operators, right up to the chaps who were responsible for whether or not to launch nuclear missiles.

They are some very credible, relied upon people, all saying yes, there is UFO technology, there's anti-gravity, there's free energy, and it's extra-terrestrial in origin, and we've captured spacecraft and reverse-engineered it.

SK: What did you find inside Nasa?

GM: One of these people was a Nasa photographic expert, and she said that in building eight of Johnson Space Centre they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. What she said was there was there: there were folders called "filtered" and "unfiltered", "processed" and "raw", something like that.

I got one picture out of the folder, and bearing in mind this is a 56k dial-up, so a very slow internet connection, in dial-up days, using the remote control programme I turned the colour down to 4bit colour and the screen resolution really, really low, and even then the picture was still juddering as it came onto the screen.

But what came on to the screen was amazing. It was a culmination of all my efforts. It was a picture of something that definitely wasn't man-made.

It was above the Earth's hemisphere. It kind of looked like a satellite. It was cigar-shaped and had geodesic domes above, below, to the left, the right and both ends of it, and although it was a low-resolution picture it was very close up.

This thing was hanging in space, the earth's hemisphere visible below it, and no rivets, no seams, none of the stuff associated with normal man-made manufacturing.

SK: Is it possible this is an artist's impression?

GM: I don't know... For me, it was more than a coincidence. This woman has said: "This is what happens, in this building, in this space centre". I went into that building, that space centre, and saw exactly that.

SK: Do you have a copy of this? It came down to your machine.

GM: No, the graphical remote viewer works frame by frame. It's a Java application, so there's nothing to save on your hard drive, or at least if it is, only one frame at a time.

SK: So did you get the one frame?

GM: No.

SK: What happened?

GM: Once I was cut off, my picture just disappeared.

SK: You were actually cut off the time you were downloading the picture?

GM: Yes, I saw the guy's hand move across.

SK: You acknowledge that what you did was against the law, it was wrong, don't you?