I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

Originally posted by TheAftermath
reply to post by joe82

 

It isnt a secret that public schools are a joke, and very few people come out actually possessing something even remotely close to intelligence.


[edit on 19-8-2009 by TheAftermath]

Thats funny, like this high school drop out danced circles around you for five pages the other night...

LIKE YOU ARGUED ABOUT A DEFINITION I PROVIDED IN NUMEROUS DICTIONARIES?

Im saying your application of modern day definitions and refusal to acknowledge definitions change over time is wrong.

second attempt here; read the bottom portion dating the appearance of the word in the lexicon...

Main Entry: 1wel·fare
Pronunciation: \ˈwel-ˌfer\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from the phrase wel faren to fare well
Date: 14th century

you are wrong, what next?

For a conservative you are sure are a SNOB and you should request a full refund from the source of your fantastic education .

BTW intelligence is the portion that refers to a humans CAPACITY to learn sir

Harvard could not intelligence an unintelligent person

IS that you George W???

Originally posted by mental modulator


For a conservative you are sure are a SNOB and you should request a full refund from the source of your fantastic education .

BTW intelligence is the portion that refers to a humans CAPACITY to learn sir

Harvard could not intelligence an unintelligent person

IS that you George W???

Attacking someone for their bad typing bores us.

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by mental modulator


For a conservative you are sure are a SNOB and you should request a full refund from the source of your fantastic education .

BTW intelligence is the portion that refers to a humans CAPACITY to learn sir

Harvard could not intelligence an unintelligent person

IS that you George W???

Attacking someone for their bad typing bores us.

Your Insurance Industry talking points are just as boring I assure you.

How much are you and your boy getting per hour?

reply to post by mental modulator


I'll remind you just once that the Internet does not protect you from legal action for slander

Originally posted by VinceP1974
reply to post by mental modulator

 

I'll remind you just once that the Internet does not protect you from legal action for slander

If I wrote it, so the crime would be LIBEL not SLANDER provided you had a case...

But considering you are protected by anonymity and are engaged in a public forum
your case would be a sinkhole.

Plus I am only stating my opinion...

There is the ignore button?

However I suspect you enjoy being inflammatory just as I do Mr' DOUBLE WARN.



[edit on 20-8-2009 by mental modulator]

government run health care is not a good idea for many reasons.
it gives the government too much power over us.
higher taxes.
people who do not pay taxes or contribute to society can leach.
I'm not opposed to the government helping us Americans out when we need it but we can make decisions for ourselves and shouldn't always rely on "big brother" to handle out #.
and you sir had total control over you situation and it just proves that you cant handle your life because your a leaching drug addict.
i don't care if you paid your taxes.
medicare is for emergency and for people who really need it,not drug addicts that cant control his meds.
I've done stupid things but its been paid for by an isurance company that my family pays and not other people.

Originally posted by mental modulator


Plus I am only stating my opinion...

Making declarative statements and asserting certain facts (I am being paid by certain companies) that you know are falsehoods is not opinion

well, im usually much more of an observer on this site, and less of a poster. but this argument about health care is making me sick. I live in Canada. WE have free universal health care and every person I have ever known who needed the care they needed...got it. and left the hospital or doctors office...without paying. it is a glorious thing. i personally would never in my life want to live somewhere without this type of health care. and i cant understand why many Americans are so opposed to the idea. why should your taxes go up? I think Americans pay enough tax as it is, and certainly you pay enough for your country to provide health care. If they want to raise your taxes, you tell them no. you tell them Canadians pay less taxes than you do, and they have free health care. and that you expect no less from your country. There is enough money in America to provide every person in the country (note: i said "person" not necessarily "citizen") free health care several times over. Tell the greedy rich people that they need to share. If they do not understand that concept...drag their stubborn asses back to kindergarten for a refresher course.

I find it very hard to understand the people who are talking about having other people leech off of them. you would honestly rather keep your money to yourself and be selfish than help out your fellow man? thats sad. i truly feel bad for you and i do hope that in your lifetime, you do "get it". because until either you "get it" or until you die, the country will not move forward.

and all this talk about drug addiction being a choice. get your heads out of your rear ends and practice a little something called EMPATHY. for those of you who may not be familiar with what empathy is...its putting yourself in the shoes of another person and trying to see things from their perspective. Drug addiction is called "addiction" because its something that you cannot live without...your body becomes hooked on these substances. more so than your head. Which is why there are plenty of people who would love to get off of drugs, but they cant. its an involuntary addiction. you cant just "choose" to stop taking drugs. I've been down a road where my body has been physically addicted to pills that i HAD to take. not even pain medication either. but when i would try and stop taking them i was convulsing and having tremors and nausea...go through that. addiction of other drugs, like prescription pain meds and illegal drugs are FAR HARDER to stop taking. So. until you've walked a mile in those shoes...you have absolutely no place in that type of a discussion.

and i think thats about all for now.

Originally posted by redhatty
No, I did not miss that you say you are a tax PAYING citizen. So tell me, did you get a refund last year or did you have to write a check and actually PAY taxes with your return??

There is a difference in case you didn't know. Refund means the .gov only BORROWED your money for a while. Having a tax liability higher than the money they take out of your paycheck is being a REAL taxpayer.

[edit on 8/15/09 by redhatty]

Sorry, but this statement is laughable and just plain wrong. In case you didn't know, if you work, you pay taxes. If you get a refund, it means you paid more than you were required to pay over the course of the year. If you have to send in a check it means you paid less than you were required to pay. Everyone who works pays, or should be paying, taxes.

Back on topic; health care. What I don't get is that statistics have shown that countries that have universal health care can provide it at a cost that is about $2000 less per capita than the average cost of private health care in the US. So, how is it that Americans will be paying more? No, you should actually be paying less, if they can implement it at least as competently as other countries. Of course, that may be a problem.

[edit on 21-8-2009 by TheComte]

I don't know if it has been said, since the thread is too long to read, but here is an idea: why not simply pay the doctor/hospital for your treatment? forget medicare, NHS and all that stuff. Think simplicity. The simplest and best method is to pay a doctor/hospital what you can for the treatment you want.

Of course this creates a problem when you don't have money. Then it's up to your fellow humans to contribute: if they don't, you are out of luck. But in most cases they will do, and then there is going to be no problem.

Our era has become extremely complex. We have forgotten all the simple solutions...

Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by iamjesusphish

 

So, YOUR BAD CHOICES have been subsidized by my taxes.

You CHOSE to do drugs, and this caused health problems, but MY TAXES are paying for your rehab and your medical treatment.

Of course you want to keep your free health care going, Me and the rest of the american tax-payers are paying your bills!!!!!

America really has become a nation of leeches, your post is just another example of that.

The existing social services in this country are what keep a very large portion of the populous out of the dirt. Without them one would expect to see shanty towns (Tent cities) on the outskirts of every major population center. Without going on and on please consider what this country would be without the social services. Yes you are paying some bills, but it’s what enables America to be the country it is.

You should be more concerned with the fact that the Army pays $500.00 a piece for claw hammers, rather than bitch about the taxes spent bettering this country and its people.

Originally posted by masterp
I don't know if it has been said, since the thread is too long to read, but here is an idea: why not simply pay the doctor/hospital for your treatment? forget medicare, NHS and all that stuff. Think simplicity. The simplest and best method is to pay a doctor/hospital what you can for the treatment you want.

Of course this creates a problem when you don't have money. Then it's up to your fellow humans to contribute: if they don't, you are out of luck. But in most cases they will do, and then there is going to be no problem.

Our era has become extremely complex. We have forgotten all the simple solutions...

because thats not my job to pay for health care. its the governments job to provide the people in their country with that. they have more than enough money to do that and i expect no less from them
its a great concept...but there are too many rich stubborn people out there who refuse to help.

reply to post by devilishlyangelic23


The only job of the Federal Government is to protect our rights. Rights are not entitlements. Govt does not grant rights nor do they pay for your exercise of them , they are intrinsic to your human nature and precede the establishment of the government.

wow, some of you are just straight up self centered a holes... I am sick of checking in on my thread and seeing statements that so entirely disgusting that you make me want to puke... human?

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
wow, some of you are just straight up self centered a holes... I am sick of checking in on my thread and seeing statements that so entirely disgusting that you make me want to puke... human?

Dehumanizer?

Originally posted by VinceP1974
reply to post by devilishlyangelic23

 

The only job of the Federal Government is to protect our rights. Rights are not entitlements. Govt does not grant rights nor do they pay for your exercise of them , they are intrinsic to your human nature and precede the establishment of the government.

rights? thats all they should do? protect rights? every person on this planet should have the right to the basic necessities of life without jumping through hoops to get it. things like adequate food, water, shelter, health care and education. oddly enough...these are all things people are forced to pay for. why? because the tail is too busy wagging the dog and the dog is too preoccupied with finding ways to pay for it all to notice that they shouldnt have to.

Originally posted by devilishlyangelic23

Originally posted by VinceP1974
reply to post by devilishlyangelic23

 

The only job of the Federal Government is to protect our rights. Rights are not entitlements. Govt does not grant rights nor do they pay for your exercise of them , they are intrinsic to your human nature and precede the establishment of the government.

rights? thats all they should do? protect rights? every person on this planet should have the right to the basic necessities of life without jumping through hoops to get it. things like adequate food, water, shelter, health care and education. oddly enough...these are all things people are forced to pay for. why? because the tail is too busy wagging the dog and the dog is too preoccupied with finding ways to pay for it all to notice that they shouldnt have to.

Now you're complaining about the basic reality of economic scarcity?

Why not start complaining that you lack wings to fly with? It makes just about as much sense as the rest of what you said.

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by devilishlyangelic23

Originally posted by VinceP1974
reply to post by devilishlyangelic23

 

The only job of the Federal Government is to protect our rights. Rights are not entitlements. Govt does not grant rights nor do they pay for your exercise of them , they are intrinsic to your human nature and precede the establishment of the government.

rights? thats all they should do? protect rights? every person on this planet should have the right to the basic necessities of life without jumping through hoops to get it. things like adequate food, water, shelter, health care and education. oddly enough...these are all things people are forced to pay for. why? because the tail is too busy wagging the dog and the dog is too preoccupied with finding ways to pay for it all to notice that they shouldnt have to.

Now you're complaining about the basic reality of economic scarcity?

Why not start complaining that you lack wings to fly with? It makes just about as much sense as the rest of what you said.

and why do we have economic scarcity? oh, right...greedy selfish people who cannot seem to master the concept of sharing their resources and helping to replace resources that they've taken from. (things that small children can do very effectively on a regular basis) why can the government spend billions of dollars on war, but they cant take care of their own people? its all a matter of priority. Its time for the government to step up and put the people in the country as the top priority. not war, not bailouts...the PEOPLE need to be taken care of first and foremost. Then *IF* there is money left after that...they can go spend it willy nilly on stupid things that do not directly affect the rest of the populace.

our economy doesnt have to be scarce. we can find ways to fix that...but nobody seems to want to. they'd rather go throw a temper tantrum and cry like a bunch of toddlers because things arent going their way. its really quite pathetic.

Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by mental modulator


Plus I am only stating my opinion...

Making declarative statements and asserting certain facts (I am being paid by certain companies) that you know are falsehoods is not opinion

To commit libel (the correctly title for printed/typed defamation) you would have to have be publicly identified as the target of his attack.

Are you publicly identified to a wide spectrum of people outside ATS by your ATS handle?

We're all anonymous in here, so stop quoting laws you don't understand.

The point of the NY blog case is that while the blogger was anonymous, the target wasn't.

The point here is that both of you are anonymous, so how has your reputation been harmed?

And a PUBLIC Health option is the only method there is for fixing the absolute mess of a health insurnace system your nation has spent four decades creating.

That is a FACT. Without a public health option cost-saving within the US health insurance system is impossible. That is a FACT.

And the Rushes of this world are not only lying but knowingly lying every time they trot out the "Medicare isn't Gov't run" meme.