The Pentagon Wants Authority to Post Almost 400,000 Military Personnel in U.S

reply to post by In nothing we trust


Oh yes...Google, I forgot you can click on the logo...

With that SOS on the ATS logo ...made me look too far!

Originally posted by Evisscerator
reply to post by burntheships

 

Just consider that if these troops are authorized, and the World Health Organization declares a level 6 pandemic in the US, they would take over the US Government and use the troops to force vaccinations upon everyone.

Well...you may be onto something there abouut the pandemic...
The WHO has already raised the Alert Level to a 6.www.who.int...

As far as I am aware, we still have our rights about refusing a vaccine for the flu.

The Constitution Party has condemned a possible mandatory vaccination as of 09/07/2009.
constitutionparty.com...

The late Georgia Congressman Larry McDonald of Georgia, also a medical doctor, said in the same book, “I think the swine flu program is a tailor-made hoax that finds its roots in frightening the American people . . . I believe that a full investigation of those in charge should be launched . . . and if it turns out to be a dishonest promotion, everyone responsible should be removed from their jobs.”

Clymer expressed concern regarding the illegitimate authority of the WHO over American citizens as well as news the Pentagon was planning to use military troops to team up with the Federal Emergency Management Agency(FEMA) during a swine flu outbreak. “Americans should be gravely concerned when all the pieces are put together. We have a strain of flu which has produced mild symptoms so far, and yet it appears there’s a well-orchestrated world-wide effort to put draconian measures in place for a “pandemic.” What is particularly concerning is the World Health Organization’s "recommendations" which would impact citizens of the United States in case a pandemic emergency is declared. (See also www.afro.who.int). Essentially, those who refuse the live virus swine flu vaccination may be held indefinitely in quarantine camps because the so-called swine flu pandemic has been, (by many accounts unnecessarily) classified as a Level 6 Pandemic allowing international law to override the United States Constitution to justify American martial law and detention for those who refuse the vaccine.

All liberty-loving Americans should shudder at the WHO directives which state: “During a pandemic, it may be necessary to overrule existing legislation or (individual) human rights. Examples are the enforcement of quarantine (overruling individual freedom of movement), use of privately owned buildings for hospitals, off-license use of drugs, compulsory vaccination or implementation of emergency shifts in essential services. These decisions need a legal framework to ensure transparent assessment and justification of the measures that are being considered, and to ensure coherence with international legislation (International Health Regulations).

By the way, a great link with many links embedded. Added to my favorites!

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reply to post by burntheships
This is total Bull, this H1N1 is man made but they messed up it is not as lethal as they planed, only 700+ dead world wide, but their still going thru with this thing as planned.
They said we'll see when it's winter in the Sothern Hemisphere, well it's winter and only 200+ have died, this swine flu isn't ####, but their going thru with this, they know how stupid we are.
Man I hope this all blows up in their ####### faces.

reply to post by Maxmars


One thing to bear in mind, is any armed conflict with the American people would FAIL as fast as it started. How many of the armed forces would fire on the civiilian population and if the population used their own arms, what would happen. It would be no contest.

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Yes...most agree, I do that the "novel" flu is manmade, released and timed as an event to coincide with many other planned events.

As I posted above, even the Constituion Party has condemned any possible mandatory vaccine, and declared the H1N1 Pandemic to be a manufactured event.



This is a CBS breaking news article:

Dispute Flares Over Control Of Military Reservists
August 14, 2009 01:37 EDT


WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Pentagon and the nation's governors are squabbling over who should be in charge of military reservists called up to deal with natural disasters.

The current law is unclear. The Pentagon is floating a proposal on Capitol Hill that would put the Defense Department in charge. The military sees that as a natural extension of its use of federal forces.

But governors say the Pentagon move is a strike at state sovereignty. The National Governors Association says the plan would hinder the ability of state officials to provide a coordinated emergency response. The governors say giving the Pentagon control would set up two chains of command, inviting confusion and complicating response efforts.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates has made it clear he does not favor ceding control of federal forces to state governors

www.wlos.com...

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Originally posted by OmegaPoint
reply to post by Maxmars

 

One thing to bear in mind, is any armed conflict with the American people would FAIL as fast as it started. How many of the armed forces would fire on the civiilian population and if the population used their own arms, what would happen. It would be no contest.

They are making the soldiers sign oaths to shoot American citizens if need be, and a gun is one thing but if you go up against a Tank you had better be Bin Laden, or as smart.
In asking some soldiers if would shoot citizen, OH! Hell Yea!

That would be enough troops to place road blocks on every highway , every major intersection in every city ,town , port and airport within the united states.They would still have enough troops to control every radio station, tv station,newspaper office,police station,hospital,supermarket , gun shop and gas station within the united states too.That smells like a compleat military takeover by our friends down at the local fema office.And after this the freindly aliens can take over without one shot fired as all the weapons would have already been taken off the pubic so they cannot fight back and shoot our alien friends.Does that sound right.

reply to post by burntheships

One of the other things I was thinking about, is the REAL-ID Is D.O.A..
They now have the RFID chip in powder form, they could chip all the sheeple in one swipe.
I just don't know how they would catorgize the sheeple, I know each country seems to be getting it's own shipment.
This whole thing is joke , just like war on terror, they just wanted oil pipeline in Afganisan, only 70+ Americans were killed due to terrorist act in 2008, but over 100,000 died from heart attack.



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Yes, I have read about the chip so small it can be injected.
activism.suite101.com...

I do not think they are ready...and in no way is the public ready or accepting. I am aware that someday, this will be a concern of the day...just not yet...IMHO.

Maybe this should be its own thread....I know most of you guys already know this.

Go to: patft.uspto.gov...

Click on publication number search on the right for patent applications.

Enter: 20090060950

This patent was applied for Aug, 2008. The swine flu hits mexico March of 2009. MSM reports this is a newly discovered flu with bird flu, swine flu and avian flu in this new and improved flu.

Something stinks.

Also research the ingredients in the vaccine.
Benzonase
Formaldahyde
Triton X 100
Tween 80
Formalin
one of the ingredients destroys DNA
Another ingredient destroys reproduction in lab rats.

If scroll down through the patent you will see the versions of the flu that is covered, paragraph 55 or 56 I believe.

Don't worry. There are plenty of us who still have morals, who remember the oath we swore, and have enough common sense to recognize the intent contained therein, and you can be damn sure if anything happens, at least some of our guns will be on the right side.

Originally posted by googolplex

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
reply to post by Maxmars

 

One thing to bear in mind, is any armed conflict with the American people would FAIL as fast as it started. How many of the armed forces would fire on the civiilian population and if the population used their own arms, what would happen. It would be no contest.

They are making the soldiers sign oaths to shoot American citizens if need be, and a gun is one thing but if you go up against a Tank you had better be Bin Laden, or as smart.
In asking some soldiers if would shoot citizen, OH! Hell Yea!

There are plenty of Marines and Soldiers who would detain their commanders if such an order was issued.

[edit on 2009/8/14 by Griever0311]

Originally posted by Griever0311
Don't worry. There are plenty of us who still have morals, who remember the oath we swore, and have enough common sense to recognize the intent contained therein, and you can be damn sure if anything happens, at least some of our guns will be on the right side.

Thank you! Your post is comforting! I can not say enough thanks!
And you tell everyone we are counting on them to stand by our side, and we will stand by yours. Done deal!

Keep your powder dry!

All they need is a credible threat something that will scare the public and the governors into accepting this.While this is going on we have been seeing various studies painting militias,tax-protester and anyone else against the way the government has been doing business over these past years as "anti-government" and as "anarchists" I can see the Pentagon as being so determined to get this bill passed that they will be wiling to use any event real or imagined to make it happen.They will just use one of the congressmen who is heavily tied-in with the Military/Industrial Complex to sponsor it.I fear it may take a civilian getting shot by a reservist for people to wake up but even then I doubt that will even have an effect.

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Great point, Muundoggie. A lot of the responses here lead me to believe that folks actually believe we would win in an armed, or violent, revolution. I want the tyrants out, too, but if it comes to that, I think we'll be up sh!+ creek with no paddle. I also think that's the revolution that the PTB expect. Soldiers follow orders and have much better weapon systems than us, plus train constantly. All the steps leading up to this situation stack the deck against us. Making our voices heard is necessary NOW. Unfortunately, that probably wont work either, so its time to figure out how to cut off the snake's tail, right behind its ears: how do we get to the top and remove them. And I'm not talking about the the Prez or congressmen. I'm talking about the master string pullers. Anybody know a really high ranking general who can be trusted? Probably not, but if its combat you want, you better make that friend.
I want to know when and where the next Bilderberg meeting is. A lot of PTB all in one small area....

I have no idea what your all worried about?

Think about the flipside for once, TPTB initiate Marshall law agianst the people, the pentagon has 400,000 personel in the US, what a great idea, how many of them would actually think about what they are doing and who theyre doing it against and turn against their 'masters' and help the people?.

It might actually be the wake up call to the people that not only does the Government want the military there to 'not' look after the civilians but to look after itself, to prevent the citizenry from rising up, the civilians wouldn't need to raise an army to fight TPTB, the military would do it for them.

So I say give the military individuals some credit for having a brain and let them be stationed, you the people can then actually talk to them when they're on the streets and get them to switch sides? Try being nice and polite to them, show them the cizitenry IS NOT the enemy.

Let them fight, after all thats what they're trained for, let the Government shoot itself in the head. and besides once the military rise up the Government will not have any backup and then watch them run for the hills.

edited to add :

Nyrossius Maxim: How many 'high ranking Generals' actually fight? if you had a dozen 'high ranking Generals' faced against a few hundred privates or sargents or a few hundred of ANY rank, who do you think would lay down their guns and put up their hands first?

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reply to post by Nyrossius Maxim


I personally think the citizens living in the eastern part of the United States would have a fairly decent chance of putting up a respectable counter-offensive if STOTALLYHTF. All of the military personnel stationed there are usually relatively close to where they call home, increasing the likelihood of collaborative, active sympathy; at least increasing the likelihood of passive sympathetic efforts when they know that it could improve the chances of family and friends surviving. If it came to stand up fight, of course the citizenry would be at an incredible disadvantage, but we don't have a lot of military hardware necessary for sustained actions that doesn't have some kind of weakness to a clever mind. A lucky shot to a helo's engine probably won't down it, but it'll send him packing. The tracks on tanks and heavy transports are surprisingly fragile, and when those go, he's basically a pillbox with a heavy gun. You know, things like that.

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.. or capture operations. Snag 1 or 2 soldiers from the first ragtag group you can find, bunk them up somewhere. Then you got the return unit scrambling about, doing search and rescue when they should be doing secure and defend.

Not to mention, most of the rook troops will start thinking there is a skillful team of kidnappers out there, just looking at them, at all times, in the dark. They'll think, "I don't want to be tortured, F*** this."... etc.

reply to post by Griever0311


I like your optimism, Devildog, but i don't share it. I served in the Corps, too, and was not convinced that many of my fellow Marines would think indepently and critically in such a scenario. My own perception of Patriotism was not shared by many if any. I've always been percieved as a bit crazy. I went into the military being suspicious of the gov't and came out KNOWING it was corrupt. That's why I didn't reenlist. A small part of me misses it, but I'm glad I missed this whole Afganistan/Iraq thing, because I'm pretty sure I would have been court-marshalled.
But if things have changed, or you and others like you can get a sizeable mutiny, then I'm down to stand beside you.
I would rather figure out another way, though.

Semper Fi

I'm not even lying when I say I believe things are rapidly approaching the point I imagine they were in Vietnam; but not so much an outcry for mutiny, but a general awareness of the bulls*** being perpetrated by our government, and a growing unwillingness to be an active part of it. I personally hold the belief that the best place to fight the good fight, to "deny ignorance" as ATS puts it, is to do it from the inside, by policing my sphere of influence as best I can, by ensuring immoral bulls*** doesn't go down on my watch.

Wave the bulls*** flag proudly.

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