Missing ship may have secret cargo

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by northwoods

 

I was thinking the same thing, the ship supposedly never went to port after the first attack, how did Sweden do and investigation??????

None of this makes any sense.

Yes. I think that only way is that they have received MMS from cellphones or some other "remote" contact. OR, authoritatives were not telling the details so we are trying to guess the holes in story and conspiracy theories has born.

Arctic Sea case status this morning regarding to Maritime Bulletin SOVERACHT (no news)
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Originally posted by Gordi The Drummer
reply to post by ArMaP

 

Hi ArMaP!
I can't get the "original size" version of your map to work, and the "large" version doesn't give enough detail, but I've re-checked the AIS tracking data on marinetraffic.com and it does look VERY strange at the times you mention. At least two (possibly more) overlapping signals, with timelines which contradict the exact position of the vessel then? Unreal!!
G

I got it and made a snapshot of the region.

Look here ...

Two signals with difference of half an hour. Duration: two hours long. TWO SHIPS? Crazy ...

Originally posted by northwoods

Originally posted by pavil
reply to post by northwoods

 

I was thinking the same thing, the ship supposedly never went to port after the first attack, how did Sweden do and investigation??????

None of this makes any sense.

Yes. I think that only way is that they have received MMS from cellphones or some other "remote" contact. OR, authoritatives were not telling the details so we are trying to guess the holes in story and conspiracy theories has born.

Arctic Sea case status this morning regarding to Maritime Bulletin SOVERACHT (no news)
translated with google:
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In the full article translation, the author seems to indicate that it IS relatively easy to disable, remove, re-fit and/or re-programme the AIS transponder?
This fits in with the idea I previously suggested, that the AIS has been removed from Arctic Sea and/or cloned in order to give a false position for the vessel, prior to it's disappearance, and later (15/8) in Bay of Biscay?

Whatever is going on, I'm sure the op is way off the mark.
For example, the op says the ship could possibly be used in a false flag op in a US port under a different name.
That does NOT make sense, as the op claims in his post.
Why? Because why would they go to the trouble of 'hijacking' a Russian ship, with Russian crew, release the info in the media and set the conspiracy theory communities a blaze with possibilities of what is going on, only to use the ship to blow it up in an American port?

A much simpler, easier way would be to use a front company in the Middle East to contract an Iranian ship yard to build a ship and then use that ship. Or even simpler, while an Iranian registered or owned ship is in a 'friendly'(to the west) port, covertly put on board whatever.

I mean, really, some people come up with some crazy out there theories, and within moments of creating them, have convinced them selves that is what's going on without any hard solid evidence.

There are so many possibilities and scenarios. I'm sure if we all start thinking about it and posting, we could overwhelm the ATS servers just with this subject alone.

Originally posted by softlabhennef

Originally posted by Gordi The Drummer
reply to post by ArMaP

 

Hi ArMaP!
I can't get the "original size" version of your map to work, and the "large" version doesn't give enough detail, but I've re-checked the AIS tracking data on marinetraffic.com and it does look VERY strange at the times you mention. At least two (possibly more) overlapping signals, with timelines which contradict the exact position of the vessel then? Unreal!!
G

I got it and made a snapshot of the region.

Look here ...

Two signals with difference of half an hour. Duration: two hours long. TWO SHIPS? Crazy ...

Could just be AIS data corruption...but... It could also indicate the cloning (and testing) of Arctic Sea's AIS transponder, on a 2nd vessel a few minutes away from the 1st.

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And from what I have seen it is even easier to make a new system or a system that can be connected to a computer and reprogrammed at will, it's a very simple system.

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And what do you think about the apparent stop of the ship before arriving in Finland?

Yes,. anyone who has AIS radio can easily change the id and vessel information and send it. Therefore countries have their backbones so they really know better.

But it does not explain the Nantes silence. Stations is turned off and you can see the max and avergae receive distance here: www.marinetraffic.com...

As you can see in graph Nantes station has shut down 11PM at Saturday.


btw. now ITAR-Tass reporting that Arctic Sea is heading to Camerun so it is claimed to pass Cape Verde.


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Originally posted by Gordi The Drummer
Sorry, but no, he actually stated that the middle of 3 chinooks which initially flew over, was photographed by him, at 2pm on 29/7.
According to the AIS tracking systems, Arctic Sea was still in the English Channel, only a few miles from him (almost straight off-shore) at that time, so I think that this is almost certainly related to it.

Thanks, I hadn't noticed that post.

But at 2PM the Arctic Sea was almost exiting the English Channel, some 80 km south of Plymouth, according to my calculations.

PS: I prefer to use km to avoid confusion between miles and nautical miles.

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Hi ArMaP,
The 2pm quoted was BST (British Summer Time), not GMT.
So actual time of 2nd Chinook flyover was 1pm GMT.
regards,
G

Edit to say: At 1pm, according to AIS tracking, Arctic Sea was approx 45km from English coastline.
Chinook (model 47) has cruising speed of 259 km/h, indicating that they could have reached the position of the Arctic Sea transponder within 0.17 hours, (just over 10 minutes) from leaving the mainland!

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OK, thanks. (I knew those time differences would get me sooner or latter ).

And it looks like I jumped some pages on this thread, sorry for repeating things that were already talked about, including thoughtsfull's opinion that the Chinooks were some 20 or 30 miles behind Arctic Sea's position and were out over the sea too little time.

Is there any more info coming out yet on what is actually going on and where the the Russian warship's are??

Had a quick snoot on a few News site's, but can't see any info.

There is something. Claimed that Arctic Sea is heading to Camerun.
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Or it could just be carrying wood worth millons....just saying.

Originally posted by northwoods

Yes. I think that only way is that they have received MMS from cellphones or some other "remote" contact. OR, authoritatives were not telling the details so we are trying to guess the holes in story and conspiracy theories has born.

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Well, there's always Inmarsat, AeroMobile or some other related company. That gets you over the horizon beyond the range of a tower.

I am sure that this has already been posted because you are a clued up bunch ...

The Arctic Sea had radiation tests run on it when it was coming out of port. There was an image in the Daily Mail of a dude with a geiger counter on it.

Source

Originally posted by wraith001
Is there any more info coming out yet on what is actually going on and where the the Russian warship's are??

Had a quick snoot on a few News site's, but can't see any info.

Hi Wraith!
The latest we have (as indicated by northwoods above) is that the Russian news agency Itar-Tass have indicated that Russia are working closely with NATO, and have established that Arctic Sea did pass Cape Verde and is now travelling south, down West Coast of Africa, near Cameroon?
This contradicts completely, what Russia stated at the weekend, that Arctic Sea was NOT near Cape Verde. It also contradicts the AIS transmission, detected in Bay of Biscay on 15/8, from Arctic Sea's AIS transponder.

***ALSO:
Cameroon is approximately 7500km, (navigating by sea) from the centre of Bay of Biscay. And approx 4500km from a point (500 miles west of northern Cape Verde Islands) which was indicated as being the location of Arctic sea on Friday 14/8.
At max speed of 10.3km/h, it would take Arctic Sea 30 days to reach Cameroon from Bay of Biscay, and about 18 days from (west of) Cape Verde.
More deception / mis-direction / dis-information?
(Even calculating from the last KNOWN and confirmed position of the vessel, on 30/7 ? off Brest France, it would take about 33 days to reach Cameroon i.e. arrival on approx. 1st Sepember!!)***

Northwoods, are you sure that the current location off African coast is being stated as Cameroon?? Because that location is too far away for Arctic Sea to have reached yet, even at non-stop maximum speed.

This just gets worse and worse! Still nothing makes sense.
G

Russki Trickery

Surely it involves nothing more sinister than illegal codfish trawling in the North Sea. Russian trawlers are experts at this. Whenever one of these gets caught by the Norwegian coast guard and is fined and placed on the black list it eventually vanishes and is never seen again. I assume that cargo ships can be turned into fishing ships, in which case they’ll have to look out for fishing ships with a cargo-ship profile. We need a ship expert here that can back up or demolish this hypothesis.

Actually, it IS seen, but it’s not recognized. The owner has changed its name and appearance and registers it in some other port, this time a foreign one, and the vessel now flies a “flag of convenience”. In other contexts it’s a big business for countries like Panama, but in this case the pirate fishermen are doing it in Spain. I don’t know the reason why but I guess it’s because there they can easily find officials that can be bribed and persuaded not to make vexing questions.

If this isn’t so then I extend an official apology to the Spanish Crown or whoever deals with official apologies there. Apart from that let them realize that most people can’t stand their gory national Sunday family program. In Portugal and southern France they perform charming, bloodless bullfights and there’s no reason why they can’t follow this example.

Those pirates pull down the market price and, much worse, they aggravate overfishing. They’re destroying their own livelihood. They once even held as prisoners for a while some inspectors that had boarded a boat.

Codfish is by far the most important commercial fish species in that sea. As much as 35 percent of the catch is illegal.

The inconsistencies that have been pointed out, having to do with the exchange of radio communications, suggest that Russian trawler trickery is, indeed, behind the incident, but the theory about fake terrorist suitcase nuke attacks is sexier and has about ten times more “shock value”. It would furnish enough subject-matter for a couple of books, so why not develop it a little further.

Thirty-one pages is a lot of pages to read. It will take me a lot of time. I downloaded the first three and the last one and then went over them quickly and found no mention of the fish thing, so I’m sending my comment. It’s odd that the other theories are fishy, but the fish theory is not at all fishy but rather logical and down-to-Earth.
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Hi Gordi,

word for word they say: "Arctic Sea is heading toward Cameroon".
So if they can say heading to Cameroon it should be passed Cape Verde and also Sierra Leone and Liberia.

But as we have seen, news are not 100% reliable. ITAR-Tass has get this information from some diplomacy source in Brussel. We don't know "agenda" of this source and how they have determined that vessel is heading to the Cameroon direction.



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Hi, Macrento!
It has already been established that the vessel is a freighter, and has approx £1m worth of Timber cargo on board, but thanks for the alternative post! and Keep Watching!!
G