Why I'm Tired of People Opposed to Health Care Reform

reply to post by Alien Mind
"Whats with the hatred towards the south?

You think that we don't deserve to get paid?

We have kids to feed just like everyone else.

Comments like that are the reason there is still hate in the world.

I agree alien mind. I am beginning to wonder what this argument is really about anyway. Its so hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

I agree with you OP, decent heealthcare for all can be achieved. Those who want top notch care can still pay more.
Why iis this so hard for some to believe it can be done? If the govt can print billions of fiat money to pay for wars then it can for health.

Sad but I dont see people complain that much about the military spending. But healthcare, it cant possibly work!

reply to post by kenton1234


I agree, These people come on here all talking about love and respect for the fellow man, but then they turn around and spit hate towards everyone.

I think they need to start pratice what they preach.

All this debate over what sort government healthcare you should have, the existing sort or the new sort or a third sort.

Does anyone ever stop to consider that healthcare costs have gone up over 50 times, adjusted for inflation, since the government took control of the industry and 'regulated it' for the 'safety' of consumers. You're so safe now that you can't even get it!

Face it, health-care is the ultimate racket. You've given the power of life or death of those most vulnerable to a few elite who have no qualms about exercising that power to obtain more power. That is your problem.

Medicare,Medicaid,Social Security,all of these broke,and ran BY the government for the people.Since all those programs are broke,and WILL never be fixed,why not create a NEW one that can tax the Working Class to the bone.Really,thats what this is all about.Three broken Government run programs,that have ties to OUR paychecks,and a new one to start freshly behind?? Does this mean those programs will be scraped? BIG Government WILL never get anything right.Great idea,but lost in translation.I say RESET on ALL the above,and give me ALL the money that I paid into these broken down programs,and pay for my HEALTHCARE privately, till I die.

I only have one question:

What makes you think that this health care crap will work besides obama telling you it will?

Originally posted by sonnny1
Medicare,Medicaid,Social Security,all of these broke,and ran BY the government for the people.Since all those programs are broke,and WILL never be fixed,why not create a NEW one that can tax the Working Class to the bone.

Yep yep, and on top of all that, you're going to put the same people that f***ed up katrina and the two most recent wars in charge. This is going to be fan-fudging-tastic.

reply to post by kenton1234


Oregon Health Plan IS medicaid for your state.

OHP services

What reason did they give that you cannot be covered?

Also there are 13 free clinics in OR

free clinic directory for OR

reply to post by km1550


lol its such an imoral practice to be payed for providing a service, perhaps you should start working for free, that is if you work at all, more then likley you just leach off the tax payers!
yes i can see it now, the best and brightest signing up for 8 years+ of sleepless nights, countless hours of study, and stres. So many people will be willing to shell out hundreds of thousands of dollers for medical school, only to have a extremly stressfull job that requires you to work countless hours, of wich you are constantly worriing about screwing up, and killing someone and then getting sued!

yes the best and brightest are sure to line up for such an ordeal and not make money from it!

Originally posted by Alien Mind
I only have one question:

What makes you think that this health care crap will work besides obama telling you it will?

You mean other than the fact that it's based on the working health care systems of every other developed nation in the world, including the systems in the USA?

Jeez, that's a tough one.

(I don't have a stake in any of this, I'm just utterly baffled by the resistance to the proposal that I'm seeing on here.)

reply to post by js331975


It's not an option. It is designed to make the government plan the lone plan. Any true alternative plan would all but eliminate lawyers from the middle of health care through tort reform. Our government is predominantly filled with lawyers. Lawyers never willingly eliminate the need for lawyers. Lawyers determine much of the cost of running insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals and medical practices. They drive up the cost of health care. Who is the highest ranking lawyer in this country? I urge you to give that some thought.

You cannot have it both ways.

Do you want better health care, more jobs and quality education?

Or do you want this miserable excuse for a country that would only continue to be miserable if such plans were shot down by angry right-wingers?

reply to post by vox2442


ok so if its such a great plan then why isn't congress and the white house willing to get it?

reply to post by kozmo


I found that post rather offensive as I agreed with a good part of that post and I am not apart of ACORN and I am not a paid "shill". I have insurance through work but I didn't have it for many years before that and I could not afford it. I have been screwed by the insurance industry in the past and had to fight for benifits even though I paid them a god aweful ammount of money. I have friends and know other people that cannot afford insurance, have fell through the cracks or have to make tough choices concerning health care. Something needs to be done.

If you don't like the current plan being proposed by the administration then give us an alternative. I'm not a government fan by any means of any administration and pride myself on being a registered independant because, truthfully I'd be too embarassed to tell anyone I was either a democrat or a republican. Nor would I be able to look my children in the eyes.


Healthcare needs to be reformed and the insurance industry are nothing but crooks in my opinion. Instead of interupting a town hall meeting by protesting it and drowning out people that are trying to listen to the presentation or ask their own questions, why not propose an alternate plan? Or ask the tough questions and film the vague answers and post that on youtube? Wouldn't that really be more effective?

editing to add. I and many others are not saying this is a great plan. It is a plan though and something is better then nothing. Inaction is the bane of our generation and the times that we live in. Politicians spend millions on surveys and consulting firms and studies and that's for the most part wasted money. Take action. If it's wrong action then history has shown us that the political retribution is usually swift and sure.



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Originally posted by vox2442

Originally posted by Alien Mind
I only have one question:

What makes you think that this health care crap will work besides obama telling you it will?

You mean other than the fact that it's based on the working health care systems of every other developed nation in the world, including the systems in the USA?

Jeez, that's a tough one.

(I don't have a stake in any of this, I'm just utterly baffled by the resistance to the proposal that I'm seeing on here.)

I guess your definition of working is different than most. I would hope continually making cutbacks, while at the same time increasing taxes is not what the different countries had in mind when they implemented their different government run programs.

Originally posted by Janitor From Mars
You cannot have it both ways.

Do you want better health care, more jobs and quality education?

Or do you want this miserable excuse for a country that would only continue to be miserable if such plans were shot down by angry right-wingers?

Explain to me how all that is going to come about so we can discuss it, instead of taking shots at "Right wingers"

Yes, we are such a miserable excuse for a country that people are stumbling all over themselves trying to get in!!!

Sheesh!!!

For those supporters of the death care bill in this thread telling the opponents that we don't know what we're talking about because there's no bill written, so we couldn't have read it...

Let me point out you're wrong.

It's HR3200, and a discussion of it, with links to the PDF of the actual bill can be found here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The bill has actually been online for more than a week. I read it days ago. Most of the "Right Wing Radicals" going to the town halls and raising hell read it, too.

I suggest that before another Obamabot runs their mouth about how wonderful this thing is, they go read it.

And before anyone asks if I have a better idea...

Yes. Yes I do.

And my idea will not only fix health care, it will fix unemployement and lower crime.

Close the stinking borders.

Send the illegals home.

Originally posted by sonnny1
Medicare,Medicaid,Social Security,all of these broke,and ran BY the government for the people.Since all those programs are broke,and WILL never be fixed,why not create a NEW one that can tax the Working Class to the bone.Really,thats what this is all about.Three broken Government run programs,that have ties to OUR paychecks,and a new one to start freshly behind?? Does this mean those programs will be scraped? BIG Government WILL never get anything right.Great idea,but lost in translation.I say RESET on ALL the above,and give me ALL the money that I paid into these broken down programs,and pay for my HEALTHCARE privately, till I die.

Well said. Notice too that this administration's only benchmark of success if one can call it that, the "cash for clunkers" deal is being made possible by future debt. One also wonders who will absorb the costs when these new car owners default on their slightly diminished loans? It's never discussed, it's the four hundred pound gorilla in the new car show room. If you could not afford to replace your poor mileage car without the $4500 you are still at high risk of defaulting on the auto loan and/or not being able to afford to properly maintain the new high tech auto. How many of these new car owners will lose their jobs in the next few months? The government is hoping to push health care through before the auto loan failures show their ugly heads. Another shell game. "And the beat goes on".

reply to post by Hemisphere


Cash for Clunkers appears to be the only stimulus that actually helps the normal person. I'm tired of giving billions to all of these corporations or buying up banks--so to speak. Let them fail. If one bank fails there will be wells fargo to pick up the pieces and customers and money and if not them, then another bank and the same goes for the insurance companies.