Why I'm Tired of People Opposed to Health Care Reform

reply to post by DEEZNUTZ


Canada has 1/10 the population of the US, a more stable economy, better energy management, few to no foreign entanglements, and is not a superpower. Of course it works... for Canada.

It cannot work for the US.

reply to post by jd140


I really hope you never fall on hard times. I'm sure though that in your massive amount of intellect you have prepared yourself for every eventuality though.

The insurance companies know that if the have a single payer or govt. system that people can go to, then they would have to lower rates to be competitive. They also know that businesses will demand lower rates and if not given dump them and go to someone else for their insurance or not even provide it at all and have the govt. take over. Many of the ignorant people that are fighting not to have this are on medicare and/or medicaid. What do they think that program is. It's socialized medicine, because they almost pay nothing for what they are getting and the govt. pays for it. At the drop of the hat we can give hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars to the banks and the war machine and pet projects, but we can't give one red cent to a program on its face and in depth can help all the citizens of the US. If the useful idiots and the pundits think they are on the rich team, better think again. They are useful until they aren't and then they are just like the little people.

The insurance companies know that if the have a single payer or govt. system that people can go to, then they would have to lower rates to be competitive. They also know that businesses will demand lower rates and if not given dump them and go to someone else for their insurance or not even provide it at all and have the govt. take over. Many of the ignorant people that are fighting not to have this are on medicare and/or medicaid. What do they think that program is. It's socialized medicine, because they almost pay nothing for what they are getting and the govt. pays for it. At the drop of the hat we can give hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars to the banks and the war machine and pet projects, but we can't give one red cent to a program on its face and in depth can help all the citizens of the US. If the useful idiots and the pundits think they are on the rich team, better think again. They are useful until they aren't and then they are just like the little people.

reply to post by hotrodturbo7

When you go to a hospital in Canada Or Cuba all they ask is your name and birth date. This is a fact. They don't spend time asking about your insurance or whether or not your covered, nor do they ask for a credit card or Co-Pay. So I guess in that respect it's better. I'm not saying it's perfect but it works and EVERYONE is covered.


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Originally posted by hoghead cheese
The insurance companies know that if the have a single payer or govt. system that people can go to, then they would have to lower rates to be competitive.

Wouldn't a single payer system eliminate private health insurance providers, putting the government as the only option?

reply to post by Violet Sky


Ya, well too bad, thats the cost of doing business in the medical field in America.

It is a small percentage and please don't tell me hospitals or doctors are going broke because of it.

Goverment health care is not the answer, it has been set up to be just that but not for the reasons stated, its a power move, a tactic, a way to involve goverment in EVERYONES daily lives.

Don't be blind, don't be fooled, don't overstate or overthink people going to the ER as the reason we need broad sweeping national health care, comon.

Originally posted by hoghead cheese Many of the ignorant people that are fighting not to have this are on medicare and/or medicaid. What do they think that program is. It's socialized medicine, because they almost pay nothing for what they are getting and the govt. pays for it.

I don't know if many of the "ignorant" people fighting this are on medicaid, and neither do you unless you can quote a source that is not a liberal blog.

But MEDICARE is not socialized welfare medicine. You pay for it with FICA tax along with social security. It's shown right there on your paystub. You do get a paycheck and pay taxes, don't you?

Originally posted by Violet Sky
reply to post by jd140

 

I'm just trying to point out the insanity behind this idea that health care is something you have to earn.

I know women with babies aren't turned away - yet.



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Hey, have you ever been to a hospital?

There is a big a** sign that says, in essence, " we cannot refuse you lifesaving or stabilizing treatment, and if we can't help you, we will transfer you to someone who can"

That example you gave with the woman and the dying baby is ludicrous BS and just shows that your emotions are clouding your judgement on this whole debate.

OR you are an ACORN shill who will say anything to get people on your side.

Either way, that crap won't cut it with this group.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by jd140

 

I really hope you never fall on hard times. I'm sure though that in your massive amount of intellect you have prepared yourself for every eventuality though.

I was unemployed for 6 months, never collected welfare or unemployment and not once did I entertain the thought of going to the hospital for x rays when I twisted my ankle so bad I thought I broke it.

I went to the medical supply store, bought a pair of crutches and hobbled around for a few weeks before I was able to walk on it.

I knew that there would be no way I could pay for it and hard working people would foot the bill.

So I'm sorry if I don't feel sorry for you or cry a tear for any type of sob stories you could tell me. I have my own and I lived through it.

Originally posted by kenton1234
reply to post by hotrodturbo7

 

When you go to a hospital in Canada Or Cuba all they ask is your name and birth date. This is a fact. They don't spend time asking about your insurance or whether or not your covered, nor do they ask for a credit card or Co-Pay. So I guess in that respect it's better. I'm not saying it's perfect but it works and EVERYONE is covered.


[edit on 8-8-2009 by kenton1234]

It takes me all of 10 minutes to fill out the form at the hospital. If I go to my regular doctor or the local hospital I don't even have to fill out anything, it's already on file. Surely there has to be a better reason?

reply to post by hotrodturbo7

It takes 2 minutes in Canada.

Line 2 just for you....

The problem I think many have with this health care bill (amongst many other things congress has passed in this country) is they try to rush it through, without giving any thought to what they have not considered and the consequences of such actions.
It's simple as to why they are rushing it through, they think this is the only time they can, because people will wake up and find out Obama and his fellow Democrats aren't all they are cracked up to be and kick them out of congress.

What needs to be done, is a non biased committee of the top health care professionals in the Unites States need to do research and find out why health care costs inflated over the years to this astronomical highs. After the assessment draft a bill that will fix some of these problems. Just overthrowing the health care system and putting in a single payer system would not fix the costs of health care. The people wouldn't be paying as much, but our country would take on a massive amount of debt. That's just a fact. With a multi-trillion dollar debt it's not hard to see where this is headed.

People need to stop playing politics, and for once before congress passes a 1,000 page bill do some research into what the outcomes of such measures will be. I'm all for taking action on health care, but lets make sure we're doing the right thing.
Remember, Medicare & Social Security are on they're way to being broke. Along with this country. Lets be smart.

Originally posted by Violet Sky
reply to post by Helious

 

The real problem is this. Currently, people with no health insurance are clogging up the emergency rooms at hospitals for non-emergencies because regular doctor's offices will not see them with no insurance.

It is so bad that there is a rumor going around that hospital emergency rooms will be the first to get federalized.

The poor need more options for care. Something has to be done.

Free Clinics in the US

The National Association of Free Clinics (NAFC) is the only nonprofit 501c(3)
organization whose mission is solely focused on the issues and needs of the
more than 1,200 free clinics and the people they serve in the United States.

1200 free clincs hmmmmm....

Originally posted by kenton1234
reply to post by hotrodturbo7

 

It takes 2 minutes in Canada.

Line 2 just for you....

So we hand the US government the keys to the health care system so we don't have to spend an extra 8 minutes filling out the form?

The same government that can't run social security?

Please... you are wasting my time.

reply to post by hotrodturbo7

We have a free clinic in my town it's called the 'Out reach Clinic'.
It's open from 4:00pm to 6:30pm every Thursday. Which is perfect if your only emergency happens at that time and on that day.

reply to post by kenton1234


If there is an EMERGENCY you go to the EMERGENCY ROOM. Where you will recieve care to the best of their ability , regardless of your ability to pay. Says so right there on the sign when you walk in.

Does your mom know you are still up on the interwebs?

It takes me 2 weeks to see my regular dentist, tough sh*t for me, I am not going to die from a toothache, I will just be grumpy with kids that are posting about crap on the forums!!!

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reply to post by hotrodturbo7
"So we hand the US government the keys to the health care system so we don't have to spend an extra 8 minutes filling out the form?"

Only when minutes count. But if you have your own insurance which is possible then you can spend the extra 8 minutes you have writing that on your form.

Originally posted by kenton1234
reply to post by hotrodturbo7

 

It takes 2 minutes in Canada.

Line 2 just for you....

The facts.

article.nationalreview.com...

“In 2008, the average Canadian waited 17.3 weeks from the time his general practitioner referred him to a specialist until he actually received treatment,” Pacific Research Institute president Sally Pipes, a Canadian native, wrote in the July 2 Investor’s Business Daily. “That’s 86 percent longer than the wait in 1993, when the [Fraser] Institute first started quantifying the problem.”

Such sloth includes a median 9.7-week wait for an MRI exam, 31.7 weeks to see a neurosurgeon, and 36.7 weeks — nearly nine months — to visit an orthopedic surgeon.

Canada has one-third fewer doctors per capita than the OECD average. “The doctor shortage is a direct result of government rationing, since provinces intervened to restrict class sizes in major Canadian medical schools in the 1990s,” Dr. David Gratzer, a Canadian physician and Manhattan Institute scholar, told the U.S. House Ways & Means Committee on June 24. Some towns address the doctor dearth with lotteries in which citizens compete for rare medical appointments.

I was just reading an excellent article in Time Magazine
about this whole issue.

www.time.com...

Healthcare will be 1/5 th of our entire economy is nine years!