So Where Were The Families And Friends Of The Alleged Passengers And Crew Of The 9-11 Aircraft?

posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Hazelnut

 

She tried once on her cell phone, did not connect, and then switched to using an Airfone. That's what was presented during the trial. Her cell phone didnt go through, the Airfones did.

No Swampy, you need to learn to actually do real research. That won't work because American Airlines 757s did not have seat-back phones in 2001. The FBI nixed the Barbara Olson cell phone and AA nixed the air phone.

Besides the air phones that were installed on other aircraft required a credit card to activate and Barbara Olson did not use her credit card, and cell phones would not work at high altitude up above the Kentucky/ Ohio border where Flight 77 disappeared.

So from every angle you are wrong because you didn't do any research, and as usual tried to bluff your way through.

American Airlines Contradicts Olson’s Second Version

A 9/11 researcher, knowing that AA Flight 77 was a Boeing 757, noticed that AA’s website indicated that its 757s do not have passenger-seat phones. After he wrote to ask if that had been the case on September 11, 2001, an AA customer service representative replied: “That is correct; we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack.”8

In response to this revelation, defenders of the official story might reply that Ted Olson was evidently right the first time: she had used her cell phone. However, besides the fact that this scenario is rendered unlikely by the cell phone technology employed in 2001, it has also been contradicted by the FBI.

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reply to post by talisman


Sure, I can answer the question. First off, I will state that, in such an occurance, I am not going to run to the airport and make a fool of myself with ticket agents or baggage handlers who wont have any information to give me. I will call the airline directly for information.

Second, he wants to know where the loved ones were......

Mari-Rae Sopper (Flight 77)--former Iowa State University gymnast, leaving her teaching post at the US Naval Academy to take a coaching job in California. Family lived in Oskaloosa, Iowa at the time....that would be one LONG drive to California to demand information at the airport.

Karen Kincaid-Betacan (Flight 77)--was traveling to LA for a conference, her husband dropped her off at Dulles that morning and then went to his office in DC. Her brother, Kris, at the time a pastor in Dubuque, Iowa was on the way to a meeting in Cedar Rapids.

Bernard Brown (Flight 77)--traveling on a National Geographic school trip...parents at home in DC.

Sarah Clark (Flight 77)--school teacher headed to California on the National Geo trip with some of her students, her son and daughter at home in Washington.

Asia Cottom (Flight 77)--student on NGS trip with her teacher, family in DC.

James Debeuneure (Flight 77)--Teacher on NGS trip with students

Rodney Dickens (Flight 77)--student on NGS trip with his teacher.

Barbara Edwards, Bud and Dee Flagg (Flight 77)--Flying to California on vacation.

James Ferguson (Flight 77)--Teacher on NGS trip.

Richard Gabriel (Flight 77)--Traveling to Australia on business.

Bryan Jack (Flight 77)--Heading to California to deliver a lecture at the Naval Postgraduate School.

Are you seeing a pattern here? There wasnt family waiting in California to pick them up. They were traveling on business or vacation or on a field trip...not traveling to see family. And again, say what you might, but on that chaotic day, who would seriously have tried to go to the airport to demand information?



[edit on 6-8-2009 by Swampfox46_1999]

A 9/11 researcher, knowing that AA Flight 77 was a Boeing 757, noticed that AA’s website indicated that its 757s do not have passenger-seat phones. After he wrote to ask if that had been the case on September 11, 2001, an AA customer service representative replied: “That is correct; we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack

Long ago, proven to be a false statement...not sure why you continue to use it.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Well gee Swampy, that's 11 out of the alleged total of 59 passengers and crew aboard Flight 77. But Flight 77 disappeared up over the Kentucky/Ohio border, and we have the Bush Regime Solicitor General Ted Olson deliberately lying and trying to place his wife talking to him on a phone on the flight over Ohio, don't we?

So why did Ted Olson need to lie Swampy? Did he need to lie because Flight 77 never returned to Virginia? Did he need to lie because a different aircraft was used to circle around Reagan National Airport on a different flight path than the official flight path?

Actual Flight Path?
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Was this official flight path bogus Swampy because not one person on earth witnessed it? It seems they faked the 84 RADES Data too, doesn't it, because the witnessed C-130 approach comes from the northwest over Arlington National Cemetery, instead of out of the southwest according to RADES? That's a big error Swampy.

Bogus Flight Path?
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Did Ted Olson need to lie because the actual aircraft flew Over the Naval Annex and North of the Citgo, and could not possibly have flown the official south flight path down the hill and through the light poles and low across the lawn at 530 mph?

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Did Ted Olson need to lie because the 9-11 perps had to re-establish the 9-11 Pentagon OFFICIAL STORY and return the missing 757 over Ohio to the official script? The FAA flight controllers thought Flight 77 had crashed up near Ohio, Swampy. Ted Olson needed to lie it back into existence in the public mind. FAA flight records needed to be destroyed which they were.

So what did they do with those 11 people you have named Swampy? Did they land them somewhere up in Ohio and dispose of them there? Perhaps all 59 people were coldly disposed of somewhere up there, or perhaps they are just scripted people with phantom families, with no way to verify their existence.

Afterall you did not provide their addresses or phone numbers did you Swampy? In fact you gave no link at all did you? Just a list of eleven names with no possible way to verify them.

Standard procedure for the duhbunkers and pseudoskeptics.

So how did she call collect to his office.........when it took a credit card to use the phone............

Just a question??

I agree with you wholeheartedly. There were no passengers, because there were NO AIRPLANES, and that's why there were no families there to pick them up, and no government concern for any allegedly related families of the passengers.

Good Post!

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reply to post by SPreston


And I remember when the FBI admitted the Olson phonecall was not real.

I'll never forget.

Everything you want to know or thought you knew about flight 77

thewebfairy.com...

reply to post by talisman

Classic debunker tactic.
Steer them off course,...fast.
Especially if they may be on to something!

Happens everytime like clockwerk.
More accurate than atomic!

reply to post by Cloudsinthesky


For some strange reason, the Navy did not want Charles Burlingame buried at Arlington, the family complained loudly, and now his daughter Wendy has died in a mysterious fire.

Five years after her father’s plane crashed into the Pentagon in the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a woman was found dead yesterday in a fire at the Galaxy Towers apartment complex in Guttenberg, N.J.

The woman, Wendy Burlingame, 32, was discovered by firefighters in a short hallway between the kitchen and the bedroom of her 10th-floor apartment where the four-alarm fire began, said Edward DeFazio, the Hudson County prosecutor. Mr. DeFazio said the fire, which law enforcement officials are calling suspicious, began shortly after midnight in the apartment Ms. Burlingame shared with her companion and was still under investigation, as was the cause of Ms. Burlingame’s death. No one else was injured in the fire, Mr. DeFazio said.

Ms. Burlingame was the daughter of Charles F. Burlingame III, a 25-year Navy veteran who was the captain of American Airlines Flight 77, which slammed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11., 2001, killing 189 people.

Mr. DeFazio said her companion of three years was among several people being interviewed in connection with her death. He would not identify the companion, but tenants in the complex identified him as Kevin Roderick.

Sebastian Rojas, 27, lives downstairs from Mr. Roderick. He said that while he did not know Mr. Roderick and Ms. Burlingame well, they were “real late-night people” whose footsteps, and two dogs, he heard constantly above his head.

The two dogs were also found dead in the home, Mr. DeFazio said.

Shortly before the fire erupted, Mr. Rojas said, there were “louder noises than usual” coming from the apartment upstairs, “like somebody running around up there, like somebody doing something up there in a rush.”

Then he said he heard a thud — “like somebody dropped something”— and three or four minutes later the building’s fire alarm sounded. Mr. Rojas said that within minutes his apartment filled with smoke. He then safely left the building.

Lucy Gell, who works at the building’s front desk, said that Ms. Burlingame was a kind, generous woman with “model good looks.” She added that Ms. Burlingame had brought her down a plate of turkey and mashed potatoes on Thanksgiving, saying that Mr. Roderick was out.

Debra A. Burlingame, Ms. Burlingame’s aunt, was reached at home last night before she even knew of her niece’s death. She burst into tears on the phone and would not comment further. Ms. Burlingame’s mother, Nancy Perfect, was also reached at home last night. She, too, declined to discuss her daughter’s death.

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reply to post by SPreston

Thank you for that! Weird stuff fo' sho'!
I am sure you notice how all the peeps with a story to tell about 9/11
are slowly going bye bye?
The only sure way to cover up the truth fer sure,
is to hide any witnesses....

Star and flag of course.

[edit on 6-8-2009 by dodadoom]

Yep, American Airlines got rid of their Airfones.....in 2002.

news.cnet.com...

And from the Pilots for 911 Truth website...

Later, however, DRG received two items suggesting that, although AA 757s did not have onboard phones in 2004, they probably did in 2001. One item was a 1998 photograph, said to show the inside of an AA 757, revealing that it had seat-back phones. The other was a news report from February 6, 2002, which said: “American Airlines will discontinue its AT&T in-flight phone service by March 31, a spokesman for the airline said Wednesday.”17 This report, DRG realized, did not specifically mention 757s, so this notice did not necessarily imply that AA 757s had had onboard phones up until that date. However, by taking into consideration this article, the photograph, and the realization that the letters from AA in 2004 were couched entirely in the present tense, DRG concluded that the claim that AA 77 had not had onboard phones was probably an error. He published an essay, “Barbara Olson’s Alleged Call from AA 77: A Correction About Onboard Phones,”18 which contained a section entitled “My Error.”

DRG....that would be David Ray Griffin...in otherwords, your source for your claim that AA 757's did not have Airfones...had changed his mind...

pilotsfor911truth.org...

Of course, he flip-flopped on that not long after....just cant seem to make up his mind.

But some kind soul found this...a copy of the workorder for AA to disable its Airfone systems on 757's....dated March 2002.

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And a list of some of the aircraft and the dates the work was done....

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I could also point out, that if it were true that the 757's did not have Airfones in 2001, dozens, if not hundreds, of AA employees would have been able to throw the BS flag on the story....but then, you would just claim they were all threatened if they didnt stay quiet.

9/11 was the weirdest strangest plane experience I've ever seen.
I posted the September clues vid in another thread noting the eerie silence at the airport.

I've seen the aftermath of air crashes on the news, with family and friends at airports holding candle vigils and people crying and breaking down.
And yet at those particular airports you could hear a pin drop.

People would've visited the airport to wait for news, in case their loved ones baggage showed up or a personal affect was found, to leave names and numbers of where loved ones could be contacted, for hundreds of reasons really.

And yet, nothing, but *crickets*.........

Weird for sure. But that was only one piece of it that led me to believe that 9/11 itself was a weird event that defied all logic.


[edit on 6-8-2009 by Flighty]

reply to post by SPreston


www.arlingtoncemetery.net...

Pictures of Captain Charles Burlingame's funeral at Arlington National Cemetary, Dec 12, 2001.

Army officials make the decisions on who gets buried there, not the Navy. Initially, since Capt Burlingame did not meet the criteria for his own plot (Reservists must be at least 60 years old) his family was offered to have his cremated remains interred in the Columbarium OR placed into his parents' plot. Army Secretary Thomas White reversed the decision and authorized that Capt Burlingame get his own plot.

It wasnt quite the conspiracy you are trying to make it out to be.

reply to post by jthomas


Hey, good work on ignoring the article about the Government official who was repeatedly caught lying about talking to his wife aboard 77. Even going so far as to be contradicted by Pentagon Historians, AA, and the FBI.


But I want to take a moment to point out a lovely example of a troll and his tools.

Take a moment to look at JThomas' avatar.

Things to note:
1. The use of an attack on an alternative theory, which ironically, actually contradicts the official story itself.
2. You'll notice that not one of these so called "debunkers" (trolls), will ever give a sound reason why only 6 frames out of possibly hundreds, have been released to date.
3. Knowing that there's no way to defend the official story's account, these people then can only attack holes in other peoples theories.


The funniest, and probably the most ironic part of the entire avatar is the last frame which says "Hunt the boeing?"

Before applying that statement to the flyover theory, don't you think it wise to first apply it to the official story? After all, you guys spend hundreds of hours making a fool of yourself, trolling these forums, making no sense whatsoever, and you aren't even a little bit upset the government hasn't supplied anything further to support the OS?

6 frames. Why can't we have answers? Debunkers fail to understand that the truth movement is about getting answers, not providing theories. The only theory that day is the Official story. Since it is the most highly lacking of any historical evidence, logic, practicality within the laws of physics, or any reasonable explanations to it's THEORY.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Well regardless, Solicitor General Ted Olson changed his story many times, lying repeatedly and claiming that Barbara Olson called collect several times on the air phones, which cannot be done. Then Olson changed his lies to cellphones and back to air phone collect calls, but there is no record of Barbara Olson using her credit card.

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And then we have the absurd claim that Barbara Olson's fragile DNA was found out by the C-Ring Exit Hole where there was supposed to be a cone of intensive energy from the burning jet fuel blasting a hole through the C-Ring wall. Ludicrous.

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Alleged Location of DNA at Pentagon hi-rez



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reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Both of those theories proven in correct by the FBI. Good try though.

Not to mention, I can tell when my girlfriend's cell phone is calling me, letalone a guys wife. Not to mention, it's not hard to pick out a collect call from a regular call. Regardless, all this is moot, multiple people and companies prove his story to be a 100% fabrication. Similar to the OS.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by SPreston

 

www.arlingtoncemetery.net...

Pictures of Captain Charles Burlingame's funeral at Arlington National Cemetary, Dec 12, 2001.

Army officials make the decisions on who gets buried there, not the Navy. Initially, since Capt Burlingame did not meet the criteria for his own plot (Reservists must be at least 60 years old) his family was offered to have his cremated remains interred in the Columbarium OR placed into his parents' plot. Army Secretary Thomas White reversed the decision and authorized that Capt Burlingame get his own plot.

It wasnt quite the conspiracy you are trying to make it out to be.

Cremate his remains? Pardon? He went through a "plane crash" that vaporized practically an entire 757.

I think he was already cremated.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


K honestly, get the point.

This is classic trolling people.

You are running on, post after post, about 1 part of one story that has already been proven to be 100% fabricated, by the FBI, Pentagon Historians and AA themselves.

Olson was proven a liar when he can't even get the story of the "last communication with his WIFE ever" out without changing his story multiple times. When you are telling the truth, you have one version, and one version only. You don't need to flip flop.


But, as already pointed out. ALL THAT IS IRRELEVANT! He's a liar, there was NO COMPLETED CALLS, so he had to be lying when he made up an entire conversation he claims he apparently had with his wife.

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