ATS SETI@Home Recruitment - the Final Push

Hi Spectre/ all!!

Yes, welcome to the new members: I, too, was absolutely "gob-smacked" (as we say) when I checked the SETI@work stats yesterday!!

We now have 305 members and have accrued 138 114WU's - yesterday, in this thread, I was pleased to announce we had 124 445WU's !!

So, to say we are doing very well is an understatement!! Let's go ATS SETI@home and BOINC Beta teams !!

Since the team comparisons have not been updated, I just browsed ahead on the old list and my best guess is that we'll move from 743rd place to around 662th place. That is just crazy progress!

To borrow a phrase from our English cousins, it's the "dog's bollocks"! (I admit, I had to look that up when I first heard the term, and have since had a great explanation given in an Eddie Izzard stage show.) It is my new favorite phrase for praise.

Originally posted by Spectre....To borrow a phrase from our English cousins, it's the "dog's bollocks"!.... (

We are nothing if not descriptive with our use of language Spectre!!

As for progess with the team - fantastic stuff!!

And, to think:

*We achieved 46 000WU's on 12th Dec 2003 (since the ATS SETI@home team's inception) and have now trebled that in 6months or so!!

*Where we might have been if Publius hadn't left (where he go??)

*If we had a few more members crunching?

I have seti for years, how do I join?

Hi, marg. That's what we like to hear! I will pull the work-around from earlier in this thread so you don't have to dig through the pages. Joining can be a little problematic. You will need the e-mail address for your SETI account and the password for the account.

It is a little tricky but do-able.

-Go to this URL: Join the ATS-SETI Team and use the reload feature on your browser until it comes up correctly.

-enter the email and password for your SETI account, then submit the request. It will probably fail. If not, (keep your fingers crossed) then you are done.

-if you get the the error page, change the URL in the address bar from
setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu...
to
setiathome2.ssl.berkeley.edu...
>>note the "2"

It is going to be a little harder, I had change service providers since them so my new service, is been over a year and I had to make a new account. I am working on it

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by marg6043]

Originally posted by marg6043
It is going to be a little harder, I had change service providers since them so my new service, is been over a year and I had to make a new account...

Yes, that is a pain. I have about 500 wu that are lost to the cause since I have lost access to the email accounts they are registered with and don't remember the passwords. Oh, well... whadda ya gonna do? It's my fault for poor record-keeping.
[edit] poor spelling, Spectre. 10 minute time-out

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Spectre]

I am still waiting for the confirmation E-mail and no luck, I have to create a new account and I had been using seti since 1999 I never knew about any accounts and passwords I just turn it on an let it run, I do the upgrades and that it.

how do I GET signed up? where do I get a link into SETI from here? .......I read Marg's above post and say YES where is MY Email with information on it????what gives? I cant PLAY without knowing the rules......
ok...I AM whining now........I will stop

tRG, thanks for the interest in the team. There isn't much time left in this phase of the project. Soon it will switch over to another software platform and the statistics for this phase will be locked. Here's some info on getting SETI up & running. Under the SETI-ATS Forum there are some SETI@HOME FAQ's and one of DJDOHBOY's legendary
tutorials.

Assuming you have a Windows PC, the most efficent way to crunch as much as possible is to use the command-line client. It is a stand alone program and does not act as a screensaver. Just unzip it to a folder and run the .EXE and follow the promts to get registered. When you get registered with an email address, the intructions for joining the team are in this thread.

The graphical version can be downloaded here.

ATS has already established a team for the new program, BOINC, and is going gangbusters in its beta test. Soon that program will be "ready for primetime" and its statistic will be reset. ATS member, xn, has an official thread on news about BOINC. You may want to check that out.

Best of luck!

When I joined yesterday I had a bit of a problem with getting my seti password, I found that hotmail, if you are using it, seems to think seti is spam and puts the pw in the trash bin, might wanna check there if you are using hotmail.

I added 194 units when I joined, I hope that helps

I did notice something though when I reinstalled seti@home, unlike my other computer I was using, this one seems to drain a lot of juice when I use seti, it messes up my modem and browsers so everything is super slow and if I am on the net, my modem will even disconnect while seti is running, which is irritating and might keep me from doing a lot more crunching than I could. Will run seti@home while I am asleep at night I guess, that works well...LOL

Anyways....

If you are using hotmail, check your trash bin for the PW from seti.

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Darkblade71]

Originally posted by Darkblade71
It messes up my modem and browsers so everything is super slow and if I am on the net, my modem will even disconnect while seti is running, which is irritating and might keep me from doing a lot more crunching than I could.

2 posible reasons for that:

1: your using a so called "soft modem" there are several DSL and 56K modems that are "soft modems" because they emulate the chip for the modem in your CPU instead of having an actual chip.
This causes the modem to become slow and DC regularly because it doesn't get the CPU cycles it needs for its chip emulation.(USR modems are notorious for doing this, theres alot of other modems that use this method, please tell me what modem your using, exactly wich one)

2: your power supply is to weak to support your CPU at lengthy full loads.(Tell me what PSU and CPU your using, or maybe a full summary of the system, so I can tell you if the Powersuply is sufficient to handle constant full loads on your system.)

Its a soft modem I am sure.
My comp is a 3 ghz 512 meg ram hp pavilion a445w. That what you needed to know?
Its got a pentium 4 chip, etc.

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Darkblade71]

The link didn't work, but if your sure you have a softmodem, don't look any further, thats the thing causing your troubles.

A P4 3Ghz+ is 3x whats needed to power a softmodem in normal computer operations, but the thing with Seti is that it takes all the leftover (idle)cycles of your CPU to proces units.

The problem then is that most softmodem drivers are writen so that they use idle time to emulate the chip too, pritty much to mask the fact that the softmodem eats CPU resources. Seeing Seti also uses those idle time cycles and your modem doesn't get enough CPU time, it'll get slow and disconnect.

Idle time between "idle" processes is spread at a cycle quota. As an example, lets say a softmodem needs to do 1Mflops to work at full speed, while seti adjusts itself to use the full power of your CPU, wich on a P4 3Ghz will be about 450Mflops average. So then you'll have the operating system give the Modem driver 1/451'st part of the CPU time while giving 450/451'st part of the CPU time to seti, the modem time is spread between those 450 parts of cycle time Seti gets, causing the modem to lag between its operations.

So when your playing a CPU intensive game (normal thread priority) or are running things like Seti(idle thread priority) that use CPU power, the modem will not get enough resources to run at a decent speed if the modem driver uses idle priority.

Most people get this problem when playing games because these days games utilize all of your CPU power and run at normal priority, leaving nothing left for the modem driver that runs at idle priority.

EDIT: I hope this isn't to deep computer bable for you :p not everyone is a computer wiz like me, but I tried to say it as simple as I could.
ps.: Mflops means Million Float Operations per second.

[Edited on 20-5-2004 by thematrix]

Nope, I understood, basically its a battle between the modem and seti. Seti wins cause it has the priority? Right? Since they both use the same resources, seti will eat a lot more because it can, and causes my modem to cut out.

Heres what the link should of brought you to.
160 GB Ultra DMA hard drive
512 MB DDR-SDRAM with up to 64 MB allocated to Integrated Graphics
3200 MB/sec memory speed
1 MB secondary-level cache
DVD+RW/CD-RW combo drive
Front access 7-in-1 digital media card reader: supports Compact Flash I/II, SmartMedia, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, MultiMediaCard, Secure Digital (SD)
IBM micro drive
High speed V.92 56K flex modem
Integrated 10/100 base-T networking interface
3.5-inch (1.44 MB) floppy diskette drive
HP internet keyboard, mouse
Connections: 2 PCI and (1) AGP, 6 USB 2.0 - 1 serial - 1 parallel; 2-PS/2, 2 FireWire (IEEE-1394), 1 VGA, 7-in-1 card reader
Software included: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Microsoft Works 7.0, Microsoft Money 2004, Intuit Quicken New User's Edition 2004, HP Image Zone Plus digital photography software, Adobe Acrobat Reader, Arcsoft Showbiz 2, Microsoft Windows MovieMaker 2.0, RecordNow easily create your own CDs/DVDs, MusicMatch Jukebox, InterVideo WinDVD SE



[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Darkblade71]

Seti doesn't really have the priority over it, its on equal priority. But since it uses alot more cycles, and the modem cycles are spread between the seti cycles, the modem cycles have longer intervals between them then on a system that has nothing using its idle process.

You can see it like a traffic jam.

You got 2 lanes, they have to merge into 1 lane for roadworks.

The 2nd lane that has to cut into the 1st lane are 1000 busses.
The cars on the 1st lane are 10.000.000 strong.

The police says, well, we let 1 bus slide in every 10.000 cars that pass, so that by the time all the 10.000.000 cars have passed and all the 1.000 busses, they are devided nicely and all cars and all busses will have an equal average of passing the jam.

But because of this, every bus has to wait for 10.000 cars to pass before 1 bus can pass and this causes the busses to have to stand there longer then the cars.

Because this timespace between when the modem thread(bus) can pass, it times out(busdriver falls asleep :p) and the modem resets or is slow (busdriver needs to be waken up)

Gotcha...ty for the explinations!
Dang newer models...almost tempted to hook up my other computer just to crunch numbers..LOL
But no way!! Wouldnt be able to play some of my fav games that way.
Thanks for the time it took to write all that out.
I learned something!!

No biggy I spent the first 3 years as an ITer doing tech support. You learn to say things in a very non technological way like that.

About your computer, theres nothing wrong with your computer, just your modem.
You can just get a hard modem and live without those problems.

Softmodems are alot cheaper then hardware modems though, so it might be a lil bit of an investment to buy a decent one.

This is because hardmodems actualy have a chip on them, and softmodems don't.

Big up to Pedro Enrique - 12820 WUs. Thanks for joning.

I just added another 6-7 unit a day machine

Now just to wait till I get moved and get to OC these systems to the max with my new water network. I'll be putting out almost 30 units a day on 4 machines. Then I still have to add 1 AXP 1850 to the gang, but first need ram for that box. That'll be another 7-8 units a day, with water on it even more hehe