Pope attacks art vandalising Bible

Well it seems there, was a small protest, outside the Glasgow Gallery of Modern art. And no one was Screaming for the murder of the artist either.

Blank paper will be provided for visitors to add messages to, this willbe added to the bible on display later one, According to officials at the Gallery.

I do wonder if the protests will get any bigger.

Originally posted by Cypher-X

Originally posted by cancerian42
I don't think this art exhibition was a bad idea, really the people could write whatever they wanted (express their opinions or whatever else they wanted to do) and it's only those that seriously wanted to express their anger in it that make it seem so bad. But really, what is wrong with that? Would you rather they express their anger in a different and perhaps more violent way? And it isn't like it was encouraged to write offensive stuff in it, that's just how some people are and if the pope gets mad because a few people expressed their anger in a bible, that is pitiful.

It's not pitiful, to be angry to see so many people, act like idiots.

You have a problem with anger, you deal with it and act like an adult and if stabbing the bible because you want to blame god for your entire miserable life, then so be it, buy one of your own and do it at home but when you pay taxes so some moron who's taste in art is in his ass does it in public just to make Christsians angry while encouraging others to partake of this outward expression of bibliobigotry

that isn't art,

its' hate

I completely agree with you that people should deal with their anger and act like adults, but evidently the pope didn't get the message. But you know, those who express their anger either in written words or in speech think that maybe their message will reach someone. That is why they do it, to send out a message. And the pope did just what those people did, except his expression of anger was toward those people and not a book. And about the tax issue, art is art, I guess u just don't get it. It can be a little controversial sometimes, but if you feel that strongly about it, then you could try writing a letter or just stop paying taxes altogether.

Originally posted by silo13Like the Pope said, I bet this wouldn’t happen with the Koran -If it was tried you’d be signing it with your own blood that’s for sure.

That was my first thought as well. I'd love for them to try it with a Koran or the Torah and see how long they'd be in one piece.

Christianity has become the religion that's politically correct to hate. Utterly ridiculous and shows just how low some people have sunk.

Although I'm a strong anti-Islamist, I would never use the Koran like so. Although I don't like them, I still have enough respect to refrain from such petty BS.

Peace,
FK

[edit on 28-7-2009 by Frontkjemper]

Originally posted by Frontkjemper

Originally posted by silo13Like the Pope said, I bet this wouldn’t happen with the Koran -If it was tried you’d be signing it with your own blood that’s for sure.

That was my first thought as well. I'd love for them to try it with a Koran or the Torah and see how long they'd be in one piece.

Christianity has become the religion it's politically correct to hate. Utterly ridiculous and shows just how low some people have sunk.

Although I'm a strong anti-Islamist, I would never use the Koran like so. Although I don't like them, I still have enough respect to refrain from such petty BS.

Peace,
FK

Thats what it boils down to, respect.

Unfortuanatly some of those who choose not to believe in the bible are so narrow minded and pretty much hateful that they don't see how disrespectful it really is.

Blinded by hatred.............Kind of pitiful isn't it?

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why are you so anti islam? Im not attacking you for your decision to feel that way. I am just curious. Is it because of your faith that you hate islam? or any or all of the sterotypes about it. I came to a point in my life were i realized that there is no point in being so anti- another religion then mine. im not threatened by christians me being muslim. i dont hate them and im not anti christian. lol my wife is christian and we get along just fine. her family is just starting to see past my religion and get to know me. i know there is alot of bad people in all major religions. islam,christanity, jews... etc. but the moral message is the same most people just differ on the philosphy(misspelled) just my 2 cents just wanted to understand why all the anti islam hate, and for that matter the ant christian hate.

beside sterotypes, and rumors. like i said befor im not attacking you i just interested in knowing what makes one hate anothers religion so .

Originally posted by jmacbeth
reply to post by Frontkjemper

 

why are you so anti islam? Im not attacking you for your decision to feel that way. I am just curious. Is it because of your faith that you hate islam? ...

I don't *hate* Islam. I'm against it's political movement.

I edited out my reply as to not go off topic.



Peace,
FK

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Frontkjemper]

Originally posted by Killeonidas
Um,

Holy or Not its a just a book.

And if people want to kill people over defacing a book,


doesn't that go against the peace and harmony that is purportedly espoused by that book?

Art is love Love is Life

You can guarantee that no one life will be taken over this. Christians are not living 1000 years ago.

Now, as others said, if this were the qu'ran....... Well, I'll let you guys worry about that.

I think the young lady was probably pretty naive about the whole thing. NOT....
As for the good folks who wrote all the nasty things in there. Let the Original Writer be the judge

Originally posted by Laurauk
Well it seems there, was a small protest, outside the Glasgow Gallery of Modern art. And no one was Screaming for the murder of the artist either.

Blank paper will be provided for visitors to add messages to, this willbe added to the bible on display later one, According to officials at the Gallery.

I do wonder if the protests will get any bigger.

I hope so. BTW you could have fooled me for being Scottish

reply to post by dschis


Are you trolling? or Do you really have something to add to this topic?

Want to explain to me, why you have came to that conclusion?

I was born, educated, and have lived in Scotland all my life.

Besides just because I am neither christian, muslim or jewish, does not mean, I myself cannot have an opinion, just the same as everyone else.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Laurauk]

Originally posted by Gemwolf

Originally posted by noonebutme
But i really don't care.

Then why even bother reading the thread? Why bother replying/ Why bother to try and highlight exactly how little you care?

Because it's easy to wind up people of a religious nature when their beliefs are so flimsy and weak that any 'disrespect' to a book that their "core fundamentals" is based on, as some else said, is pathetic.

Originally posted by Gemwolf
What do you expect Christians do about it

I expect them to to be ABOVE it. I expect Christians to see this silly artistic endeavour as nothing more than rubbish and to simply laugh it off, because they are of a much higher calibre than this artist.

That's what I expected. Not the shock and horror being expressed.

Look, I don't care what anyone wants to believe, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone. But I would have guessed that after all this time they would be of such strong character and faith and belief, that any silly 'disrespect' would have them smile, shrug and walk away. But i guess not.

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I expect them to to be ABOVE it. I expect Christians to see this silly artistic endeavour as nothing more than rubbish and to simply laugh it off, because they are of a much higher calibre than this artist.

That's what I expected. Not the shock and horror being expressed.

Why do YOU expect anything out of them? Do Christians owe you something? You don't seem to agree with their "book" anyway, so why would you expect anything out of something that in your opinion DOESN'T exsist in the first place? Judging by your posts and the tones within, I can only conclude that you have a deep dissatisfaction with Christians, or anything "religious". That's all on you, but to back something so obviously disrespectful, it sounds like your intrest in this thread is a little more deep-seeded than just "laughing at Christians getting mad". You're not just laughing, you're getting satisfaction and adding fuel to the fire.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Wookiep]

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Actually, I forone would like to know which version of the Bible, the artist is using!

Is it the Prodestant version, or the Catholic version. The pope cannot just come out with, oh it is our bible unless he has proof it is the catholics version of the bible. His criticisms would be baseless and unfounded.

Hence my earlir comment. Does the pope, really think heis speaking out on behalf of the whole christian community. He certainly does not represent the whole Christian Community.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Laurauk]

Originally posted by noonebutme

Originally posted by Gemwolf

Then why even bother reading the thread? Why bother replying/ Why bother to try and highlight exactly how little you care?

Because it's easy to wind up people of a religious nature when their beliefs are so flimsy and weak that any 'disrespect' to a book that their "core fundamentals" is based on, as some else said, is pathetic.

In other words you had/have no intention in actually discussing the topic? You are only here to disrupt, provoke and upset folks? That pretty much fits the definition of a troll to a "T"...

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or collaborative content community with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

So perhaps you should change your strategy and contribute to the thread in an intelligent and sensible manner, and not just post for the sake of provocation?

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Not sure how far and wide you have traveled in life, so on the off chance you haven't you would be amazed to see how many billions hold their own religion as the ultimate form of humble respect, that includes him or her either being a friend of foe.

the artist has a right to expression, even if we find it offensive. it's a freedom which is important, repression of this freedom is almost repression of thought. art is always an idea, to say an idea is unacceptable is not a road we want to travel.

perhaps this wouldn't wash if it were the koran but that's why we're supposed to be better than the nut jobs issuing fatwas against artists that have offended them, lest we forget.

the artistic merit of offering a bible and pen and encouraging people to "write themselves back into religion" is dubious, i think it's incredibly lazy, but the artist felt they had a point to make and someone was willing to pay them to make it.

stop being such big babies, ffs, how dull is the world supposed to be? should we all take a vow of silence just in case we say something that might be deemed offensive by someone else?

reply to post by Gemwolf


No, I'm pointing out that it's easy to wind up such people. I just don't care whether people 'like' what I say or not. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. And as it's my opinion, I'll continue to express or explain why I think so.

And I was/am contributing - I was illustrating the point that it's still just a book and any form of 'artistic license' applied to altering it, for whatever reason, shouldn't be taken so seriously by those that follow it.

Again, if your faith and believe are strong and unmoving and your devotion to [God/Jesus/Allah/whichver religious diety] then why do you care what other people think? If you get rilled up so easily by someone having a poo on your holy text, it's you that has the problem, not the pooer. I'm not advocating that activity, mind you.

That's my point and I'm sticking to it.


EDIT: punctuation


[edit on 29-7-2009 by noonebutme]

Originally posted by tristar
reply to post by noonebutme

 

Not sure how far and wide you have traveled in life, so on the off chance you haven't you would be amazed to see how many billions hold their own religion as the ultimate form of humble respect, that includes him or her either being a friend of foe.

Oh, I have. I personally love the far East. And if that's what people hold as the "ultimate form of humble respect" (to which I'd like to see your stats on that statement) then that's their problem, not mine - I'm not religious. I'm spiritual, which is very very different.

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IMO, religion is a form of control maintained through fear and guilt, created by people who wanted nothing more than power.
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reply to post by noonebutme

Again, if you're faith and believe are strong and unmoving and your devotion to [God/Jesus/Allah/whichver religious diety] then why do you care what other people think? If you get rilled up so easily by someone having a poo on your holy text, it's you that has the problem, not the pooer. I'm not advocating that activity, mind you.

Again, mind you. Why would you even raise such a question? Perhaps the "right" thing would be to be "above it"? Ok, but we live on Earth, please forgive the Christians who don't live up to YOUR expectatins of not being perfect. Great point! From your point of view who cares?? Do you have a faith that you believe that you are so strong and un-moving? To the point where you wouldn't take "offense" when someone hops on a thread and is so obviously sickend by your views simply to try to cause problems and more heated anger about a subject that just so happens to be the cornerstone of what you believe to be your very exsistance? If so, perhaps you are "above" everyone else, as for the rest? Just human. Thanks!

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Well, I can't speak for everybody, but I aplogize for being a "baby" for not going along with the apparent general opinion, of what is obvious disrepect in a society that hasn't so clearly "evolved" afterall. Perhaps we have many more eons to discover that "art" doesn't necessarily have to involve blatantly stepping on millions of peoples beliefs that have exsisted for thousands of years. Thats just me tho, opinion! We're not talking burning people at the stake, afterall. The world is full of disrespect, that doesn't mean people should agree with it, or make it some political statement to allow for an "expression" movement that clearly just causes problems for society in general. Then again, maybe they are just "babies".