Christianity - History's Greatest Scam

reply to post by Totakeke


You know what you sound like? A Catholic - because they believe as you do: the same laughable stories and teachings about Jesus. It is funny now that you are arguing with a non-believer (though I am one as well - I just played the part of Catholic to agitate you), your core defense is Jesus. This tells me above all belief in Jesus is the most important thing for you. So why hate on Catholics? They feel the exact same way. I feel dumb arguing with someone like you because it's obvious you are not even considering anything that we say because you already "know" you are right and we are wrong. Great way to go about life buddy. Some day your little bubble will burst and I hope it hits you like a train - until then I must insist that anyone who believes in Christ is Christian.
Your argument is 'they sin' - but so do you. Like I said before, I do too. In fact, under the enslaving reach of your god, we all do and we are destined to suffer - but Jesus saved us or something. Isn't that the story?. Some loving god. I didn't realize how arrogant and selfish being a fundamental christian makes a person act, but you have demonstrated this trait admirably.
Unfortunately for you, I don't write these responses to give you attention - no quite the contrary. I think it helps others to see how ludicrous Christianity is (and how delusional it's followers can become). Remember, others are reading what you and I write. I try to present my thoughts and ideas within a logical boundary, whereas I think you neglect such a criteria. I wonder what readers think of such a philosophy? Hopefully you responses have made a few people think better of taking on a personal god

Originally posted by Totakeke
reply to post by Visiting ESB

 

Jesus died for our sins so we wouldn't die in them. Also, Jesus didn't just die for murderers and thieves, but for adulterers, idolaters, blasphemers, and for every other sin. But salvation is a gift; people have to accept it. Some people do, some people don't.

How much love God must have to send His Son to die for us, and how much love Christ must have for dying for sins.

Love isn't love if it's forced. God can't force people to love Him. He wants us to love Him, but some people choose not to. It's not God's fault if people reject Christ's gift of salvation.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Totakeke]

That's the perversion -- a father sending his son as a sacrifice. This would be even more sickening if I actually believed that Jesus ever existed. Thankfully, we don't have a sick god hovering over us expecting our adoration.

Try this one: www.jesusneverexisted.com...

We don't need salvation, all we need is to grow up spiritually. We have an eternity to experience and Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc simply slow us down.

reply to post by makinho21

So why hate on Catholics?

I don't hate Catholics, but anyone who's read the Bible knows they're deceiving people. I've tried to explain it to you but you don't seem to be listening. Catholics don't believe that Jesus' death was enough for their sins. Christians do. Therefore, Catholics aren't Christians. You can't be a Christian and think you can do "good things" to get to heaven; it doesn't work that way. It's not just the belief in Jesus; it's more than that. It's the faith in Jesus and repentance of sins, which Catholics do not believe is enough.

Try this. www.gotquestions.org...

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Totakeke]

One thing is certain... the author of this post/thread has studied Christian history. He/she has taken the Inquisition and turned on its ear against its original purveyors... in a purposeful, if not entirely spiteful attempt to lure people into a faux debate that was never meant to be anything but a blood letting.

I read something along the ATS rules and guidelines on another board... having to do with the conflicts in the middle east, if memory serves, and this brand of baiting and bludgeoning was strictly verboten.

How does starting a thread like this benefit mankind or contribute to any kind of unity of heart, mind, and purpose for the betterment of mankind?

There is no humility behind threads like this.
There is no bridge building in threads like this.
There is no effort to bring about peace in a thread like this.
There is no reaching out to anyone, but to those motivated by hate.

Threads like this sow discord and promote hatred.

Please,

let's keep this thread alive so we can watch the fools come out of the woodwork and prove themselves for what they are.

Originally posted by John Matrix
Please,

let's keep this thread alive so we can watch the fools come out of the woodwork and prove themselves for what they are.

Just to clarify on your last post, are you saying all those that disagree with Christianity and discuss the reasons why publicly are fools?

I disagree Christianity involves thoses who submit willing to jewish authority so they are just the water that runs off the cheese.

Originally posted by makinho21
I'd like to start off with a quote from David Hume - with regards to the so-called immaculate conception
"What is more likely? That the whole natural order be suspended? Or that a Jewish minx should tell a lie?"

[edit on 24-7-2009 by makinho21]

The Dogma of the Immaculate Conception refers to Mary's conception not Jesus. Jesus was not conceived, he was incarnated.


www.newadvent.org...

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady

I guess I don't know my religious terms - virgin birth then.

Although I don't agree with the OP Assertion, threads like this are good, especially at this time, so that Christians can clearly communicate what is their point.

After reading many stories contained within the Bible, even when accepting each an every word, I come to the conclusion that darkness exists within it and can lead the reader to a place they didn't bargin for
What man or group can ever be above questioning?

When the time comes will Christians, led by your Pope, truely Bow to Christ and his authority? Or is the Bible a King trap like Set's sarcophagus?

reply to post by IDK88

When the time comes will Christians, led by your Pope, truely Bow to Christ and his authority? Or is the Bible a King trap like Set's sarcophagus?

Catholics are 'led', if you must, by the Pope, but not all Christians are Catholics. Stereotyping is a mistake in the quest of understanding anything, especially people and their faiths... if it is a genuine understanding that you really seek.

You speak as though you are a reformed minister or priest, having read so much of the Bible but now rejecting it, and what you see as darkness. In a reflecting pool, you will find yourself first... and so too here. Perhaps the darkness is within? Faith itself is neither good nor bad... but an abstract of human belief. It is without form and has no ability to reach out to hold or to strike.

If your enemy is Christianity, a faith, you are tilting at windmills.

Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by IDK88

 

When the time comes will Christians, led by your Pope, truely Bow to Christ and his authority? Or is the Bible a King trap like Set's sarcophagus?

Catholics are 'led', if you must, by the Pope, but not all Christians are Catholics. Stereotyping is a mistake in the quest of understanding anything, especially people and their faiths... if it is a genuine understanding that you really seek.

You speak as though you are a reformed minister or priest, having read so much of the Bible but now rejecting it, and what you see as darkness. In a reflecting pool, you will find yourself first... and so too here. Perhaps the darkness is within? Faith itself is neither good nor bad... but an abstract of human belief. It is without form and has no ability to reach out to hold or to strike.

If your enemy is Christianity, a faith, you are tilting at windmills.

See, I don't know how you guys structure yourselves so I didn't know that. But what I am saying is this...based on the things I am hearing Christians say, it seems that some may be on a head on collision course with the very object of their professed desire. When I was homeless, Christians gave me food and a mat on the church floor. I am just wondering...do Christians have to bow when passing through the gates of Heaven or do they just walk in with their chests poked out like they own the place?

I don't have any enemies...I am just watching and wondering. So is the Bible a book that has no character of its own...or is it a book that takes on life of the observer?

reply to post by IDK88

See, I don't know how you guys structure yourselves so I didn't know that.

What?

Well, every Sunday, we all pile into the family truckster and head of to church to bow down to an unseen spirit being. After that, we're usually pretty hungry so we mob the local restaurants and stuff ourselves silly after saying grace.

You may not believe this but... as we are 'structured', we all eat, sleep, snore, walk, and pray exactly the same way!

Never mind.



[edit on 27-7-2009 by redoubt]

Originally posted by John Matrix
How does starting a thread like this benefit mankind or contribute to any kind of unity of heart, mind, and purpose for the betterment of mankind?

There is no humility behind threads like this.
There is no bridge building in threads like this.
There is no effort to bring about peace in a thread like this.
There is no reaching out to anyone, but to those motivated by hate.

Threads like this sow discord and promote hatred.

To answer your questions:

Humanity benefits from threads like this because it causes people to think and question their misguided belief systems. There should be an historical basis for believing in a "savior" such as Jesus, so many of us just want to create the opportunity to THINK.

Humility is invited by threads like this. If Christians cannot humble themselves and say "I was wrong" then THEY have the problem.

As far as bridge-building, etc., we aren't looking for consensus between warring factions, we are trying to get our fellow humans to think about how they have been defrauded for thousands of years. If doing so seems like hate then so be it. God forbid we try to bring some light to the dark world of religion.

When I was homeless, Christians gave me food and a mat on the church floor.

I'm sure they did

But they always want something in return- to convert you.

Christians have infiltrated every corner of the globe under the guise of 'helpfulness'- think Catholicism in Africa where the spread of AIDS is so prevalent- because the church teaches a condom is 'intrinsically evil'

Don't fall for it, there isn't any such thing as a free lunch

reply to post by redoubt


What's your goal? For what purpose do you exist? Again my problem is not with Christianity...I just have an aversion to groups and being grouped especially when I don't know anything about the group.

I've heard some things that Christians talk about though and it seems appealing...I just want to know how do you plan to accomplish this, or do I really have to die first to receive the gift?

Even though I've been to many denominations of Christian Churches, I don't really KNOW any Christians, or any religion for that matter, so you are like an Alien Race to me even though I have seen you everyday for my entire life. With all the wars raging I am seriously wondering...Where's the Beef?"

My wife keeps talking about Christening, or Baptising, my infant son...I don't say anything, she says its apart of her upbringing...even though she doesn't go to church much at all. What's this all about, and how is it different from when i bathe my son.

I ask these questions seriously seeking an answer...I've encountered some pretty nasty things over the last few years...and I am trying to determine the source and identity of these things.

reply to post by IDK88

I've heard some things that Christians talk about though and it seems appealing...I just want to know how do you plan to accomplish this, or do I really have to die first to receive the gift?

What are you talking about? When you say "the gift" do you mean the gift of salvation?

Humility is invited by threads like this. If Christians cannot humble themselves and say "I was wrong" then THEY have the problem.

They sure do

I tried this approach earlier on in the thread

You can think Catholics aren't christians and I will think they are, how about that?

You would think I would have been met with 'sure we can agree to disgaree'

But no I was met with this

The Bible says Christ is the only way; Catholics say Christ and works is the only way. The Bible is God's Word, and since Catholicism doesn't adhere to God's word it's not Christian.

I wasn't even aiming for them to say they were wrong, just that we could continue to think whatever we wanted- but no christians are so dogmatic they are not even willing to meet someone half way

reply to post by Totakeke


Heaven, Everlasting life...this sounds pretty sweet.