Christianity - History's Greatest Scam

Originally posted by lifecitizen
Catholics regard themselves as Christians, you can keep on saying they're not but that won't change a thing- for all intents and purposes- they are

fwiw, my Mum agrees with you

(shes a fundie)

I've explained why Catholics aren't, maybe you could explain why they are?

Originally posted by Totakeke

Originally posted by lifecitizen
Yes, they are

I read your arguments earlier, no need to keep repeating!

So why are they Christians? They believe that Christ's death wasn't enough to pay for our sins, while the Bible says it is. That's a pretty big difference.

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Can you read?

I've already told you why-

Because they believe in Jesus, he was born of a virgin birth and that he died for [your] sins and that he was resurrected- last I heard that is what a Christian is and what they believe- therefore Catholics are Christians

reply to post by lifecitizen


But you're missing a crucial point. They also believe that you need to do good works or that you won't go to heaven. The Bible tells us this isn't true.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

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Yes I know they think that- and I know that's why [some] peeps don't think they're true Christians- I wouldn't want to be affiliated with them either! but then I'm not a christian so it doesn't bother me

Originally posted by Totakeke
reply to post by lifecitizen

 

But you're missing a crucial point. They also believe that you need to do good works or that you won't go to heaven. The Bible tells us this isn't true.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

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The bible has been edited to suit whatever churches agenda- this isnt something exclusive to Catholics- you all do it- I especially love the JW's bible

Originally posted by lifecitizen

Originally posted by Totakeke
reply to post by lifecitizen

 

But you're missing a crucial point. They also believe that you need to do good works or that you won't go to heaven. The Bible tells us this isn't true.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Ephesians 2:8-9

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Totakeke]

The bible has been edited to suit whatever churches agenda- this isnt something exclusive to Catholics- you all do it- I especially love the JW's bible

Those verses are in all Christian Bibles.

ok whatever they're all moronic.

You can think Catholics aren't christians and I will think they are, how about that?

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Originally posted by lifecitizen
ok whatever they're all moronic.

You can think Catholics aren't christians and I will think they are, how about that?

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The Bible says Christ is the only way; Catholics say Christ and works is the only way. The Bible is God's Word, and since Catholicism doesn't adhere to God's word it's not Christian.

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This is what I have been saying all along, and yet this guy is focusing on things that don't really matter. Catholics are Christian. There are various types of Christians and interpretation of the bible is one thing that makes each type a little different. The fundamental belief is in Jesus - if you belief that you are Christian. There are lots of people who belief in Jesus and don't actually follow the bible - they are Christian. If he wants to proclaim Catholics are "fake" or something that's fine - they are merely a little different than him. He's "splitting hairs" if you will - what about someone who doesn't believe the earth is 6000 years old? Are they not Christian - the bible definitely says the earth is that old. And that it was created in 7 days. Does this guy not belief that either? Well maybe he is not Christian then....this is the logic he is using against Catholics. Don't tell me that is in the OT and doesn't apply to Christianity. It is the same god. It is the god who walked this earth through Jesus. It does apply.
Simply because they find divinity in Mary and worship the cross - and because this isn't a command in the bible - then their belief in Jesus is nullified? That doesn't make any sense...
FACT - if you believe in Jesus and his divinity YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN - regardless of what else you say or do or believe. You can be a Buddhist Christian, or a Scientologist Christian. He can't accept this because his premise is the bible is true - it is god's word - therefore anything outside it is heresy.

-had to change Christians to Catholics - wrong word sorry

[edit on 27-7-2009 by makinho21]

Originally posted by Totakeke

Originally posted by lifecitizen
ok whatever they're all moronic.

You can think Catholics aren't christians and I will think they are, how about that?

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I prefer to believe what the Bible says. It says Christ is the only way; Catholics say Christ and works is the only way. The Bible is God's Word, and since Catholicism doesn't adhere to God's word it's not Christian.

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Well, all I can say Tota is you are a christian that's for sure- you are right and everyone else is wrong

That's what we love about you guys- christianity and the bible makes zero sense yet you cling onto it like duck to water- mindless dogma for mindless peeps

LOL I just noticed your siggy Tota- ain't that the truth

reply to post by makinho21

There are various types of Christians and interpretation of the bible is one thing that makes each type a little different.

There's only one way of interpreting the Bible: that's reading it. And there's only one Christian: one who's placed his/her faith in Christ and repented of his/her sins.

The fundamental belief is in Jesus - if you belief that you are Christian. There are lots of people who belief in Jesus and don't actually follow the bible - they are Christian.

You can't just believe in Christ. You have to ask for salvation and forgiveness and repent of your sins. As for not following the Bible, if I were them I would be questioning whether or not I was really saved.

He's "splitting hairs" if you will - what about someone who doesn't believe the earth is 6000 years old?

They might be saved; they might not. I don't know, only God does. But the Bible teaches a literal account of creation and if someone is a Christian and doesn't believe that they should read over Genesis again.

Simply because they find divinity in Mary and worship the cross - and because this isn't a command in the bible - then their belief in Jesus is nullified?

It's not just the belief that counts, it's the faith that He died for your sins and the repentance. But anyone whom is being taught to worship Mary is being deceived. Are they saved? They might be, they might not be; I don't know. But it's dangerous to listen to apostasy like that.

And actually, it is a commandment; the first one. Worshipping anything/anyone besides God is idolatry.

You can be a Buddhist Christian, or a Scientologist Christian.

Buddhism and Scientology don't mix with Christianity.

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Yes, they do

christianscience.com...

So those guys aren't christians either

You have it right Tota- whatever your christianity is just know only you guys have it right

Originally posted by lifecitizen
Yes, they do

christianscience.com...

So those guys aren't christians either

You have it right Tota- whatever your christianity is just know only you guys have it right

My Christianity is the only one: the one that believs that Christ died for our sins and that we need to repent and ask for salvation. If it's not in the Bible it's not Christian.

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My Christianity is the only one:

Yes I know- that's why I just said your christianity is the true one and only you have it right

Originally posted by lifecitizen
My Christianity is the only one:

Yes I know- that's why I just said your christianity is the true one and only you have it right

Other people have it right, too. These people have also accepted Christ. Jesus even said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." in John 14:6.

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Other people have it right, too

Yes if they believe like you do- it's ok I got it

Catholics, Christian scientists etc are all wrong- but you searched for so long and so hard you have it right- wow that must be such a nice feeling!!

But one last thing before I go









CATHOLICS ARE CHRISTIANS

reply to post by lifecitizen

Yes if they believe like you do- it's ok I got it

If they believe that Christ died for their sins.

Please think about this. Accepting or rejecting Christ is an important decision with eternal consequences.

Originally posted by Alxandro
Jeez Op,
Why are you hating on God and Jesus so much?
Such ferver!
What traumatizing event did you experience as a child that has left you despising a subject you seem to be so consumed with?

Seems extremely ironic.

Your response is nothing more than intellectual cowardice. OP feels much as I do -- Christianity is an influence that must be countered. It, along with other dogmatic, fear-based religions and belief systems, is responsible for so much ignorance the internet could not hold all of the history it has produced, in every life it has touched. It is a non-thinkers paradise and some of us just want to help wake up the sleeping masses. It's actually working, slowly but surely, people are questioning Christianity to the point that it is losing its following. Hopefully the same will happen with Islam, but that is going to be even harder. We all know the story there.

The fact is, Christianity is a perversion of love. "God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son to die for us." Think about that-- a father sacrifices his ONLY son for a collection of murderers, theives, etc. Would YOU do that? Why does it seem that humanity, with all its faults and propensity for violence, wouldn't condone such actions? Blood sacrifice. Then, if you don't believe in him, he sends you to eternal torment. What a wonderful, loving god you serve. He DEMANDS worship. That alone should send up a thousand red flags. Do you really want to worship a so-called diety that demands your love and worship? Especially one that is never around except in the imaginations of his followers. Strong, self-deluding imaginations.

Besides, history shows that Christianity is nothing more than another amalgamation of other older religions. When will you all wake to this fact and stop living in denial? You'll live eternally, but without having to worship a sadistic, cruel, ego maniac.

reply to post by Visiting ESB

The fact is, Christianity is a perversion of love. "God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son to die for us." Think about that-- a father sacrifices his ONLY son for a collection of murderers, theives, etc.

Jesus died for our sins so we wouldn't die in them. Also, Jesus didn't just die for murderers and thieves, but for adulterers, idolaters, blasphemers, and for every other sin. But salvation is a gift; people have to accept it. Some people do, some people don't.

How much love God must have to send His Son to die for us, and how much love Christ must have for dying for sins.

Then, if you don't believe in him, he sends you to eternal torment. What a wonderful, loving god you serve.

Love isn't love if it's forced. God can't force people to love Him. He wants us to love Him, but some people choose not to. It's not God's fault if people reject Christ's gift of salvation.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Totakeke]