Jewish family: Germany officer spat on our passports

For me it is not just on the internet or at ATS.
I have a disproportionate number of Jews around me.
They are nice and friendly and frequently hilarious.
But in the end they always seem a bit standoffish.

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Might be because your always trying to hit on their girl friends

Have to agree with you they are stunning,like Iranian ladies

Could be.
They have very keen ability in the area of resource competition.

Maybe they sense my godlike powers and feel uneasy knowing that I may have granted them temporary reign over a portion of the Earth and this creates a psychological difficulty for them as they wrestle with the question of what exactly I might have chosen them for.

I do stand up to bullies though. And people that argue for Palestine causes are, typically, bullies in my own experience. They brow-beat their arguments home until people just can't be bothered to argue anymore. They scream "GENOCIDE!! CHILD KILLERS!!" and show you pictures of dead babies. That's not logical debate, it's not rational discussion, it's hysteria.

As for a land grab, I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face. Israel is tiny. It is about the size of the boot of Italy. Gaza and Judea/Samara were captured in a defensive war against all of Israel's Arab neighbours, who invaded with the express intent of destroying the Jewish state. It has nothing to do with "God gave us the land", it's nothing to do with land grabs, it's to do with a civilized, Western, democratic country fighting an insidious and deadly internal terrorist threat.

Shameless mass killings? Where? Who? If Israel wanted to do any "mass killings" then it could do it a lot more effectively than phoning people to ask them to vacate their homes before targeting them?

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I call it the Isaac Complex.

Originally posted by euleberlin


What about the palestines?
That´s the point, if Germans critisize Israel´s politics, it´s antisemitism. If Germans honor a JEW, who fights for the right of the palestines, it´s antisemitism.
At least, that´s, what the politicians want to make us believe.

Sorry mate, also forgot to mention Palestinians, Syrians...

Just to say that some people just consider themselves "more semite" than the rest of the semetics, so much that they came up with the word, antisemite.


Like they are the only semites that sprung from the arabian plateau

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haha

You should start your own cult in Israel,come back and let me know how it went and I may try the same in Iran

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Matt you have shown your true colours with your last post and I will no longer waste my time with you

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I've never hid my "true colours" noangels. I've always supported Israel, since I took an interest in Middle Eastern affairs, about 15 years ago. I've never hid it and you can check my other posts to see where I stand.

I would also support any democratically elected government and its people against any barbaric terrorist movement. Sri Lanka vs LTTE, Britain vs the IRA, etc etc. Otherwise we might as well all just give up on the whole Western civilization thing - you know, free press, freedom of speech, etc.

Unlike people who take the side of Hamas and the PLO however, who hate Israel and Israelis, I do not hold any hatred for anyone especially Palestinian people. There is a lot of injustice in the Middle East (on both sides) which need to get sorted out.

Who do you think is best able to sort out those injustices? Israel, with its liberal population and its human rights groups? Or Hamas, with their rockets, AK47s and punishment knee-cappings?

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Originally posted by mattpryor
I do stick up to bullies though. And people that argue for Palestine causes are, typically, bullies in my own experience. They brow-beat their arguments home until people just can't be bothered to argue anymore. They scream "GENOCIDE!! CHILD KILLERS!!" and show you pictures of dead babies. That's not logical debate, it's not rational discussion, it's hysteria...


...Shameless mass killings? Where? Who? If Israel wanted to do any "mass killings" then it could do it a lot more effectively than phoning people to ask them to vacate their homes before targeting them?

But but but, Palestinians are semites and you are pro-semite!

Originally posted by mattpryor

Okay, I'll be the first:

I'm a pro-Semite.

Want me to say it again? I'm a pro-Semite.

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And you think it's impossible to be in favour of better rights for Palestinians whilst supporting Israel do you? Therein lies the problem.

Semitic.
Semantic.
A gigantic religious Titanic.
Paranoia and vice, excess liquor on ice
Resulting in acute midlife panic.

Originally posted by mattpryor
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And you think it's impossible to be in favour of better rights for Palestinians whilst supporting Israel do you? Therein lies the problem.

Indeed, I fail to see where one can support Israel and favor better rights for Palestinians... seems like an oxymoron to me.


I do not know when and where this whole thread detracted from that shady news article to this whole carnival of you are antisemitic, no you are antisemite and the likes. This thread should come back on track

On this matt, I am turning the puter over the hubby so he can post as well, catch you later!

I would like to point out that my son , who has just finished the first grade, has already had english language teaching in the first grade.

As to bavarians speaking not much english: This is certainly true

Theyve got a saying down there:

I bin koä mensch, I bin a Bayer gell!

Originally posted by miss_silver

Originally posted by mattpryor
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And you think it's impossible to be in favour of better rights for Palestinians whilst supporting Israel do you? Therein lies the problem.

Indeed, I fail to see where one can support Israel and favor better rights for Palestinians... seems like an oxymoron to me.


I do not know when and where this whole thread detracted from that shady news article to this whole carnival of you are antisemitic, no you are antisemite and the likes. This thread should come back on track

On this matt, I am turning the puter over the hubby so he can post as well, catch you later!

I agree this has gone a bit off topic, but when people start posting the whole "Jewish conspiracy" rubbish I can't just ignore it. Similarly I think accusing Israel of land grabs, genocide and mass killings is both unjust and untrue and I will advocate against that as well.

As for supporting Israel whilst wanting improvements to Palestinians lives, I think you'll find that most of the population of Israel itself is with me on this one, and they know a lot more about the situation than either of us.

Yes it is possible to:

a) reject terrorism
b) support rights for minorities
c) support the only liberal democracy in the Middle East

All at the same time. I do it, so don't tell me it's impossible.

But when I make posts in support of Israel people naturally assume that means I support the degradation and suffering of people in the disputed territories. That simplifies the argument and turns things into black and white, which is why the world is in this mess!

Actually I *don't* think the Israel government does, or wants to, commit mass murder among Palestinians. I don't think the Israeli government does want to steal land. I don't think the Israeli government wants to oppress people. And I do think that people that scream these accusations in my face do so for their own agenda, and most of the time from what I've seen (particularly on these boards, and some of the comments on this thread confirm it to me) that agenda has nothing to do with Palestinians and lots more to do with Israel.

Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Okay, I'll be the first:

I'm a pro-Semite.

Want me to say it again? I'm a pro-Semite.

I like Jewish people. The Jewish people I've met have been smart, funny, compassionate and they have been philanthropists. I think that Western culture has an enormous debt of gratitude to the Hebrews. I also think that this tiny group of people (less than 20 million worldwide) have suffered more indignation, humiliation and suffering at the hands of their "host" countries than any other group.

That the Jewish faith has survived for thousands of years in spite of incredible persecution and intolerance (which is clearly demonstrated in some of the opinions on this thread) is a testament to the inherent good in it, and a triumph over evil.

If you think that makes me evil then so be it, but I think your statement makes you sound like a nasty piece of work. Whatever, at least now I know who you really are and what you really stand for. You've put your cards on the table and so have I.

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Congradulations Matt you have just made a blanket stereo typical statement that cast an entire religion and race of people in an identical light whether they are a Rabbi facing Federal Money Laundering Charges in Newark NJ, an embezler serving time in NYC scandalizing that ciy because the Rabbi in charge of corrections let 60 people and a renowned entertainer into the jail along with your son and his family for his barmitzvah that the jail gaurds and non-jewish prisoners acted as servants too or a Nobel Peace Prize Winner.

That's stereo typical bigotry at work and it's no less obscene to paint an entire race, class, religion in broad strokes of perfection than it is to paint them all in broad strokes of imperfection.

People are people and all people should be judged on THEIR INDIVIDUAL MERITTS.

Just remember my friend for every thing in the universe their is an opposite. Put yourself into a group, stereo type it one way to give that group an idenity and it will always create an exact opposite.

When people choose to be human beings first, foremost and only, those stereo typcial prejudices will all melt away.

Ultimately it's about everyone in a group wanting to simply be one cut above because they are in the group they are.

That's what you pro-Semites don't get, and that's why everyone who doesn't share pro-Semitic rediculous blanket stereotypical thinking that excludes and tollerates no thought of imperfection ends up labeled as an anti-Semitic and ultimately the pro-Semites allienate everyone with common sense who understand PEOPLE ARE JUST PEOPLE.

Feel free to join the human race any day now friend Matt, believe it or not, you are welcome. Of course welcome in the Human Race doesn't involve complex mutual defense treaties, pre-emptive wars, charity for 'self' preservation because wow, everyone else is human too!

Let it be known in every hill and dale and upon every mountain and every valley, on every island and isthmus, knoll and meadow that hence force from this day on, any person criticizing human beings simply for asking questions, turning a critical eye, demanding proof in regards to anything Zionist, Israeli or Jewish be labelled as a pro-Semite.

It is true the Hebrews have long suffered in this cruel world of ours where no one else but Hebrews ever falls ill, ever gets run over by a car, ever gets killed in an act of violence or jealousy or rage. That all other people throughout time except the Hebrews have always been treated with dignity and charity and respect and never violated or persecuted in any foul or unseemly way.

It is why these people be they Zionist or Christian, Hebrew or Muslim, Athiest or Agnostic who believe in the total 100% inherent good in all Hebrews absent of course any of the vanity, jealousies or deciets that plague the lesser segments of human kind in their all too humble eyes should have a special word, to describe their own inherent perfection and goodness for all time and for ever more!

Let that word be PRO-SEMITE...so shall it be written, so shall it be said, so shall it be done.

Hail Caesar...

Yes my fellow non-pro-semetic human beings it really has gotten that rediculous hasn't it.

People are just people, you're correct. Wonderful, messy, noisy, selfish, fun, beautiful humanity. All of us are different but we all feel the same emotions.

However, different cultures have very different belief systems and different values they teach to their kids. I don't think that's deniable. I happen to think that Judaism by and large is a good culture that teaches good values.

And my default position when someone says "this happened to me" is to believe them unless I think they are saying it to push a certain agenda, and in this instance I don't believe they have anything to gain.

That doesn't mean to say I don't think that one person's perception of events is always going to be the same as another person's, because we all interpret events differently.

Honestly, how you can accuse someone of bigotry because they feel positively towards a group of people is absolutely beyond me.

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I agree this has gone a bit off topic, but when people start posting the whole "Jewish conspiracy" rubbish I can't just ignore it. Similarly I think accusing Israel of land grabs, genocide and mass killings is both unjust and untrue and I will advocate against that as well

Might as well say the sun is unjust and untrue and shouldn't come up tomorrow.

History is history no matter how nefarious a propoganda effort you wage to obscure it.

The proof is in the pudding. Did Israel or the Zionists for one single solitary day ever abide by the treaty of the U.N. British Mandate without waging a terrorist campaign against the British?

The answer is no.

Does the nation of Israel exist within the borders of the treaty of the U.N. British Mandate that was the lawful mechanism for Zionist and Jewish Immigration?

The answer is no it far excedes those borders.

Has any monetary restitution ever been given to the displaced people?

The answer is no.

Is the Original Post News Article credible?

The answer is no.

Even once it was proved not credible did it stop the people who wanted it to be credible in absence of any credibility from slandering those who had the good sense to question?

The answer is no.

Did it stop said people from posting further propoganda and unfounded assertions?

The answer is no.




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Honestly, how you can accuse someone of bigotry because they feel positively towards a group of people is absolutely beyond me.

I agree it does seem beyond you so should you genuinely wish to learn and grow as a human being ask yourself this.

Who were you more inclined to believe?

A sourceless story absent any real journalistic facts in the way of any linkable provable tangible evidence presented by a Jew.

Or that because it involved a GERMAN Government Official that the fact it was a GERMAN Government Official automatically made the story credible in absence of any journalistic facts.

Star and flag MattPryor said to the OP great find! A very great find if you are looking for sourceless poorly researched non-substantiated highly inflamatory incendiary articles to promote a race based agenda of all Jews are good, never lie, cheat, steal or covet their neighbors wife like the rest of humanity, all non-Jews and all questioning people who understand there is such an important and valid thing as JOURNALISTIC STANDARDS AND INTEGRITY are bad.

If you don't see the bigotry in that Matt and your own desire to weild every propoganda knife in your aresenal to simply use the rediculous story as a platform and an excuse well I don't know what to tell you.

I can tell you this though Matt the Age of Acquarius started earlier than anyone's calendar or any astronomer thought.

The human race will not survive long if we don't all join together in applying our 'values' evenly to those that share them.

We here in America as have many other nations have lost our way. We no longer hold ourselves to the lofty standards we once did but insist others around the world live up to them while we lean on a false sense of moral superiority and rightousness.

If you aren't prepared to treat a Palestinian, Iranian or German with the same courtesies and predispositions as a fellow Jew...well you have lost your way too Matt...

You think you are doing right and the right thing so I do not fault your heart, just your minds ability to see what most people who employ them never see....and that is hypocritical double standards and a belief that you are entitled to pass judgement...life and death judgement, judgement of characther and veracity upon others based entirely on those double standards.

The prize blinds your vission of the path you travel to gain it.