Why we don't care where Obama was born.

I honestly don't know what is the greater threat, Obama and his policies and the possibility of his breaking the laws of this country, or. . .

His followers, who don't care that he would or could break the law.

What would it take for the Obama-ites to turn on him? What WOULD he have to do in order to have them say, "Ok, birth certificate, was one thing, killing baby seals, meh, thats ok too. But, _____________ NOW he's gone too far! I can't support him anymore!"

It is naive to think the new boss is any different from the old boss.

The same folks who controlled Bush control Obama.

Divide and conquer. Hegellian conflict. Make the people think they have a "choice" as to who is in office. This will quiet their dissent.

Now that there is a liberal in office everything will be fine?

The agenda continues no matter who the hired help (the president) is.

Expanding wars, continued erosion of rights, expanded powers for indefinite detention, more debt, more torture, more obfuscated truth. Wasn't all of that supposed to "change" with a stroke of Obama's pen?

It's ok though, Bush is out of office so you can go back to sleep.

reply to post by flightsuit


There's a little thing you're not mentioning. All the rant about Bush this , or Bush that, doesn't ammount to a hil of beans. What does matter is a thing called the LAW.

That's right, like it or not, the law preceeds whatever else comes, till the law is changed. Love him, or hate him, Obama still has to be a US, natural born citizen to be a lawfull president. His followers convienenly ignore the obvious.

All he has to do is show a birh certificate, and shut everyone up. So show it--and shut everyone up. If he can't prove citizenship, then he isn't legal---it's the LAW.

Once again the blindness caused by "right" and "left" wing makes the US people look like fools. When is everyone going to realize there is only ONE team and they are against us?

Why We don't care where obama was born??????

You sure as heck are not American my friend with such bold word's. or just foolish

I have ever right in the world to know exactly why obama is hiding his real birth certificate.

Never hide what you know is legit...Good rule of thumb.

But to ASSume We should not care if obama is a legally born united states citizen..is down right not American if ya ask me.

Heck Mcain got ran threw the track's on his birth...even went to congress to decide it..he was a military brat...thus he was legal.

But let obama get a free ride..even now after million's of American's want the truth good or bad.
Obama is so sneaky on the matter his first day in office he made it so no one could ever see his record's....WHY???????

g.w.b he might have been alot of thing's my friend but at leas the let us see his birth certificate and even his arrest record's..
So what does that say about obama?
He is Hiding something...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

And if you don't care if obama might not eligible to be president and still call him commander and chief...after all these lie's he feed you and me...
You deserve to go back on same boat he came in on.

Because we do not need people who don't care if our president was born in another country...voting in MY country..
IF ya don't like my word's..step off that pedestal your so high on..so i may show you how a true American takes care of bushiness!

But in no way shape or form if a non American soil born person going to attempt to be my country's president.

You can't blame birther's...Blame obama for not showing what WE The People wanted.

Why we don't care where Obama was born

Because that is the very least of America's and this worlds problem. So let's say you succeed and get him out office, you will permanently anger and upset over half the country, not to mention black people.

And then you still have the Democratic's in power led by President Biden and the Democratic Congress and Senate.

It is not worth it, even if it is true.

And he was democratically elected fair and square unlike Bush in 2000.

I really don't care, you guys are wasting your time on this.

Obama exudes competence? This is the genius who took his wife, kids and mother in law to Russia then proceeded to flout meetings with high level Russian officials (Putin included) to take his wife out on the town. We are facing monumental problems that require just a little bit more attention from the president. We are still pursuing a missile defense system in Eastern Europe with the gangster Cezch government. That's genius right there. If those morons make one wrong move it's going to be WW3.

U.S. Taxpayers funded Michelle Obama's trip to Paris with her little girls so she could hit all the great couture shops. Meanwhile the U.S. Economy continues to spiral into the crapper. People are being foreclosed on left and right. i'm sick of hearing this Obama cheerleader crap. Bush was bad but it's not going to save Obama from his mistakes.

As for the Birth issue, I don't even care anymore. I tell you why-No one would do a damn thing if it was proven the guy wasn't born here. People would just sit on their fat hands and boohoo for 5 minutes then go back to sucking down high-fructose corn syrup product whilst watching TV. I'd be shocked if people boohooed for even 5 minutes.

reply to post by mikerussellus


Um bush put us into the biggest deficit in 8 years, or did you forget the

new president inherits past mistakes? He's been in office a half a year not

nearly long enough to put us in a hole nevermind get us out of one. Also

blame Bush for giving the president so much power, he instated those

laws and now we're paying for all the biased republican mistakes. For

shame no one remembers yesterday.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


So it is ok for Obama to break the law. Just not Bush.
Are there any other double standards you want to espouse?

reply to post by NoJoker13


Bush=Obama
Obama=Bush

Same controllers, therefore the same results.

The five pages of bickering in this thread exemplifies what's wrong with America and why nobody would ever take ATS seriously.

I think it also exhibits the wonderful way media and propaganda can completely close someone to discourse and compromise.

Second place is the first loser, right? Have fun guys.


I won't be pulled into another birth thread, but I just wanted to say he has proved his citizenship if you're interested in reading up on it.

In short:

Hawaii does not issue long form birth certificates, they only issue short forms and you couldn't get a long form from Hawaii if you asked. This happened when Hawaii went paperless a decade ago.

The Supreme Court has ruled (before the Obama issue) that Hawaii's short form birth certificates legally prove natural-born citizenship and are adequate forms for Federal level identification.

There are 2 newspaper clippings from 1961 announcing his birth.

There is an eyewitness account of his birth from an attending nurse who is still alive.

However I'm sure you'll either not respond to this comment or state that it isn't enough for whatever reason, because it's not truly about being satisfied with knowing he's a citizen.

reply to post by antonia


Just being held to different standards.

In short:

Hawaii does not issue long form birth certificates, they only issue short forms and you couldn't get a long form from Hawaii if you asked. This happened when Hawaii went paperless a decade ago.

They did in 1961.

The Supreme Court has ruled (before the Obama issue) that Hawaii's short form birth certificates legally prove natural-born citizenship and are adequate forms for Federal level identification.

Could you provide the ruling?

There are 2 newspaper clippings from 1961 announcing his birth.

Could you provide the clips?

There is an eyewitness account of his birth from an attending nurse who is still alive.

There is an eyewitness account from two people in Kenya.

However I'm sure you'll either not respond to this comment or state that it isn't enough for whatever reason, because it's not truly about being satisfied with knowing he's a citizen.

I responded. Please provide the clippings, the court rulings, the long form that did exist in 1961, and I will admit you are right and I am wrong.

Simple.

reply to post by flightsuit


Just because it is written in the constitution and is the law is no reason he should produce the same paper everyone else has to right?
So what other laws should we ignore now? It might be ok with you if we ignore laws we do not like, but not most people. Or would you have a problem having someone come over to your house and help themselves to anything they want because they do not think theft should be a law?

Also after all it is not like he said he is for a transparent government unless it is something about him or his buddies he wants to hide. Ask that inspector general who got fired by him ( illegally I might add) Ask how many people have had a chance to read these so called bills he is passing by force and intimidation ( again illegally). Ask where all the money he gave GM went and then forced out of business ( to sound redundant illegally). The bottom line is Bush most likely did some illegal things in 8 years, however Duh One has done much more in just 6 months, can we afford to keep going this way?
I agree with your right to free speech, But think those opposed should have the same right and not be called racists for it just because it is convenient.

Originally posted by RichieScott1
Once again the blindness caused by "right" and "left" wing makes the US people look like fools. When is everyone going to realize there is only ONE team and they are against us?

You are absolutely right . The deck is stacked against us. Different methods, same result. The elite control the game, and they own both teams.

"most legendary" I'd have to give to Britain...possibly Spain, depending on the time period.

"Most loved" would have to go to Canada. Everybody BUT the US loves Canada.

America gets "most self involved" lol

Lucky for us there are still some around who do care:

This was all answered ages ago, and you don't think that the Clinton machine wouldn't have used this during their heated primaries, if she could have?

www.factcheck.org...

Now if you still believe he wasn't born in Hawaii, then I guess you have issue's with the man himself, and want to cling to slander. Which is a sign of deep seated bitterness. Just saying. It is what it is.

Anyways his mom was American and his father was Kenyan of that there is no dispute, so even if he was born inside or outside of America by pure logic he is still 1/2 American any way you want to dissect it.

Maybe that's the real reason people are mad about this, they don't consider him to be a full-blooded American.

Anyways it's all stupid, AND I REALLY DON'T CARE.

It's stupid that these topics keep making ATS's front page

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Anyways his mom was American and his father was Kenyan of that there is no dispute, so even if he was born inside or outside of America by pure logic he is still 1/2 American any way you want to dissect it.

Which means Obama is NOT a natural born citizen.

So by your own logic you have proved that Obama does NOT meet the eligibility requirements of the Constitution to be President since he must be a natural born citizen.

Thanks!

[edit on 7/21/2009 by WhatTheory]

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


What's truely stupid is the people that would allow him to break this law. If it is not true, then fine. If it is true, then why continue to defend him? You make yourselves look like hypocrites when you blast Bush for breaking laws but could care less if Obama did.

It just makes you Obama-ites look foolish.