'I wed Iranian girls before execution'

Originally posted by dannyfal
reply to post by jeasahtheseer

 

hey man, i understand your upset and have every right to be upset, but what AUDUS said was not an attack at you or your sister. i believe he was positing a rational question to you that should really make you think about what killing is, who has the right to do it, who is to determine who should die, etc.

if you set your ego and emotions to the side and try and look at it objectively, the poster was trying to be helpful almost. the first thing that was said is that nobody deserves do die. that includes your sister. but that should also include those "evil" people in other countries.

i'm sorry to hear about your tragedies

hes trys to say the people we killed were innocent.

I killed NOT ONE innocent person out of about 100 kills. No innocents. My friends the same.

And sure I guess you guys think everyones innocent. they arent. He was trying to justify my sis just because she was marne. Sorry but my little 19 year old sister was INNOCENT she was the light of my life. I almost took my own life but I didnt because I have wife and wonderful daughter who I support.

I do admit its the us fault for attacking iraq. We marines have no say in this. we do what our told and follow orders...Lets say for example I refused to deploy, I'd be jailed and my daughter and wife would be homeless.

btw I also see people sayng we shouldnt had ivaded them. I agree. There would BE MUCH peace and less people dieing. Bring the troops home!!!!

We grew up poor on section 8 in the projects in a bad area. Both my sister and I left home at 15 and went homeless. Then my girls parents let us stay til were 18. At 18 I was approached by a recruiter and he said I;d have everything if I join. Me being a confused 18 year old with no job prospects this sounded GREAT so I signed up. This was around 911. My sis joined a few years later for same reasons I did

and call me selfish but I put myself and wife and daughter before ANY iraqi. And I see nothing wrong that. I care for America, not anywhere else. I admit it.

I have no smpathy for those I killed, they werent innocent. I WOULD NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS KILL A INNOCENT CHILD WOMEN OR MAN. NEVER.


[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

reply to post by jeasahtheseer


"innocent" is a very subjective term

this is what the other poster, and i guess myself are trying to portray

ANY killing is wrong. there is no justification. then again thats just my opinion

Originally posted by dannyfal
reply to post by jeasahtheseer

 

"innocent" is a very subjective term

this is what the other poster, and i guess myself are trying to portray

ANY killing is wrong. there is no justification. then again thats just my opinion

all I'm tring to say is my sister DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE.

She wasnt even in uniform she was in a cafe that got bombed. They killed their own people there too.

I was outside and was forced to see my lil sis BLOW TO PIECES.

So yes, I have no sympathy for them,

thank you

[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

reply to post by jeasahtheseer


my deepest sympathies to you and your family. but are you even considering what i am saying? it doesn't have much to do with your loss, it has more to do with shifting your perspective...

you think "not innocent" people you killed didn't have families? didn't have a wife? kids? people that looked up to them?

the people over there who kill Americans are also thinking that we are not "innocent" people and that we deserve to die. and like you said NO MARINE deserves to die. do you see both sides of the coin? i'm not trying to anger you, i just want to see if your open to discussion. if not, its understandable i know its a touchy subject

Originally posted by dannyfal
reply to post by jeasahtheseer

 

"innocent" is a very subjective term

this is what the other poster, and i guess myself are trying to portray

ANY killing is wrong. there is no justification. then again thats just my opinion

btw I also see people sayng we shouldnt had ivaded them. I agree. There would BE MUCH peace and less people dieing if wed just leave let them handle it themselves. Bring the troops home!

That is my current view on war...

war is hell.

OH AND BTW.... I have brain damage from being shot and part of my brain that proccesses words and info is messed up. I'm not dumb though certain things I just understand.

Thats I cant answer certain things they are complex for me and I cant figure out how to respond. Its not fault tho, its the wars fault.

I am also bad at debating because of this damage and I let people wlk all over with their comments. all the time. Because I cant think of a good response... my brain is curse

See how fun war is! that was sarcasm, war is hell


[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

screw it


[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

Originally posted by dannyfal
you think "not innocent" people you killed didn't have families? didn't have a wife? kids? people that looked up to them?

I know that wasn't directed at me, but no, the majority probably didn't. They most likely had a wife that was forced to marry them, that they physically and emotionally abuse. They probably had daughters who will be denied human rights, forced to marry and be abused the same as her mother, and sons being indoctrinated with hatred to be nothing more than holy warriors on a jihad against civilization. I know you will find what I said attrocious, but it's pretty much true. Extreme religion mixed with extreme poverty will never end well, those societies are a snag in our evolution, IMO.

All I know is killed NO INNOCENTS. Like the guy above this post said ovoer there they arent exactly the most loving people to their children and wives. I saw MANY women beat on the street and stuff. It disgusts me. Women are slaves pretty much, I've seen it first hand.

And guys dont get all mad at me, I;m just sayin what I saw....

I love women and would have loved to try to help these women I saw this happening to, I couldnt really think of how to help them... its really sad.

A lot them force 13 year olds to fight and its really sad but if shoot at us, they die. BUT doesnt mater if its a kid hes still target if he shootin at us.

Also if ANYODY is shooting me yelling death to america I will shoot and kill them, no problem

No sympathy for women beaters and rapists from me.

I AM A SOLDIER AND PROUD OF IT.

Can everyone please stop attacking me? Its against ATS rules for multiple people to go at one person.



[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

reply to post by jeasahtheseer


It doesn't matter that you saw it with your own eyes, or that ANY woman that is lucky enough to escape to a civilized country shares tales of horror. Your eyes, those abused women, hours and hours of video footage of abuse, etc. are all just israeli agents spreading propaganda.
^sarcasm^

Personally, I wish there wasn't war and death as well. We're going to have to evolve past that, but we can't while there is still so much needless brutality in the world. I wish we could just talk those backwards monsters, who control those poor people with fear and brutal violence, out of that behavior. But it doesn't work that way, unfortunately. I also do not agree with the reasons we went into Iraq, since it was by far not the center of that particular problem. Our government is a corporate sham, and only care about money, not the people of the world. Like I said, if I were in charge of civilized society, basic human rights would be the platform on which regimes would be taken down, and it would start in Africa.

[edit on 22-7-2009 by 27jd]

Originally posted by 27jd
reply to post by jeasahtheseer

 

It doesn't matter that you saw it with your own eyes, or that ANY woman that is lucky enough to escape to a civilized country shares tales of horror. Your eyes, those abused women, hours and hours of video footage of abuse, etc. are all just israeli agents spreading propaganda.

Personally, I wish there wasn't war and death as well. We're going to have to evolve past that, but we can't while there is still so much needless brutality in the world. I wish we could just talk those backwards monsters, who control those poor people with fear and brutal violence, out of that behavior. But it doesn't work that way, unfortunately. I also do not agree with the reasons we went into Iraq, since it was by far not the center of that particular problem. Our government is a corporate sham, and only care about money, not the people of the world. Like I said, if I were in charge of civilized society, basic human rights would be the platform on which regimes would be taken down, and it would start in Africa.

You should add a think that says (sarcasm) after that first paragraph. THats what I do.

good post dude. I agree PRETTY MUCH. not on all.

Peace!

[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

edit: misunderstanding resolved

[edit on 22-7-2009 by 27jd]

sorry pointless post,

[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by dannyfal
you think "not innocent" people you killed didn't have families? didn't have a wife? kids? people that looked up to them?

I know that wasn't directed at me, but no, the majority probably didn't. They most likely had a wife that was forced to marry them, that they physically and emotionally abuse. They probably had daughters who will be denied human rights, forced to marry and be abused the same as her mother, and sons being indoctrinated with hatred to be nothing more than holy warriors on a jihad against civilization. I know you will find what I said attrocious, but it's pretty much true. Extreme religion mixed with extreme poverty will never end well, those societies are a snag in our evolution, IMO.

exactly. thanks for answring for me dude. I have brain damage and cant articulate myself very well. I could NEVER think of something like that to type.

its dead on accurate too atleast in my experience over there.
peace

[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
you should add like (sarcasm) at the end of that firstparagraph itll confuse people lo

Alrighty, done, lol. I think you musta missed my post at the bottom of the last page too. I'm definitely not against you, I respect and thank all soldiers who act with decency and honor. I just wish our country really was the world police, because as a man, if i'm walking down the street and i see another man beating on a woman, he'd better be able to beat on me too. That's the way i think we should be as a civilized society on the whole. Not just the US, ANY country that cares about basic human rights, should step in to stop barbarism and bring those societies, kicking and screaming if need be, into this century.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
you should add like (sarcasm) at the end of that firstparagraph itll confuse people lo

Alrighty, done, lol. I think you musta missed my post at the bottom of the last page too. I'm definitely not against you, I respect and thank all soldiers who act with decency and honor. I just wish our country really was the world police, because as a man, if i'm walking down the street and i see another man beating on a woman, he'd better be able to beat on me too. That's the way i think we should be as a civilized society on the whole. Not just the US, ANY country that cares about basic human rights, should step in to stop barbarism and bring those societies, kicking and screaming if need be, into this century.

I agree with on that man. women abusing thing its just not right. JCANNOT STAND rapists either.

I'd love to put all pedophiles, rapists and wife abusers in a room and blast them all to peices with automatic.

Ciggerette break!

Peace

[edit on 22-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
you should add like (sarcasm) at the end of that firstparagraph itll confuse people lo

Alrighty, done, lol. I think you musta missed my post at the bottom of the last page too. I'm definitely not against you, I respect and thank all soldiers who act with decency and honor. I just wish our country really was the world police, because as a man, if i'm walking down the street and i see another man beating on a woman, he'd better be able to beat on me too. That's the way i think we should be as a civilized society on the whole. Not just the US, ANY country that cares about basic human rights, should step in to stop barbarism and bring those societies, kicking and screaming if need be, into this century.

I agree. AND MANY young americans die my sister included because we play as the World Police. Its not right.

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
good post dude. I agree PRETTY MUCH. not on all.

Just curious on where we disagree, perhaps i wasn't clear again, lol...

and sorry that you have to deal with cognitive issues, but they say when one area of the brain is damaged, others open up to compensate, be aware of any abilities you may have that others don't...

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
I agree. AND MANY young americans die my sister included because we play as the World Police. Its not right.

I think that may be where we disagree. I think that innocent, defenseless women and children should not be damned to a life of hell simply based on where they were born. When those abusive pieces of crap are in charge of entire countries, who will step in and smack them down? Those young children are just like yours and my children, they just want to play and be happy, like all kids. My heart breaks for them, and I feel that as the strongest force on the planet, we should clean it up when needed. The world belongs to us all, borders should not protect monsters who prey on the weak. I think, if we really were genuine world police, it would be a good thing. But for far too long our country has been run by greedy corporate whores, who do not have our best interests as humans at heart.

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Danny no one should deserve to die period. Nor should any member be calling for the death of someone elses family. Just dispicable.

Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
good post dude. I agree PRETTY MUCH. not on all.

Just curious on where we disagree, perhaps i wasn't clear again, lol...

and sorry that you have to deal with cognitive issues, but they say when one area of the brain is damaged, others open up to compensate, be aware of any abilities you may have that others don't...

No I agree with it all. I just get confused easily. I wish I wasnt cursed with this brain.... I can do EVERYTHING I just articulate very well and its virtually impossable for me to debate. I donno what side of the brain does that but its literally impossible for me to make intelligent arguments...

Before I was shot I was good at debating and speaking, not any more tho.

peace.