Obama's Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

Well his ideas should be taken in the context they were meant to be taken. These are just ideas about how to deal with a population explosion in the far future when we cannot sustain a certain world population. At some point there will be more persons on this planet than it can sustain. You can argue that point all you want with me but its just logical reasoning. It may be 1000 years down the road but at some point action would need to be taken to keep the population from exploding to 40 billion people.
I agree these ideas are way too extreme for me but they are just ideas. Most of these ideas would be impossible to implement because we don't live in that world and probably never will. I believe the planet will take care of itself and shake the human race off like a bunch of fleas long before this population explosion takes place.
I do believe something should be done with certain persons who feel it necessary to have 14 children and let us tax payers raise them. Its bs and I am almost of the opinion it should be a crime to have that many children without the means to take care of them financially and i would think most of you agree. I guarantee there is not one family with a dozen kids or more that pays for everything they need without government help. As a matter of fact I use to work at a convenience store that was frequented by a mother of 9 children who drove a Cadillac Escalade and had 1300 dollars on a EBT card(government aid) every month. Im sorry but i can't afford to drive an Escalade and i don't have any children so how is that allowed? This is wrong and there should be something done. At the very least they shouldn't be allowed to drive 40000 dollar cars and get help from the government. Some need to be forced to live within their means. If that makes me a bad person so be it.

All I know is it would take a sick SOB to force anything of the like on anyone. When there is over population in nature,nature takes care of it. The strongest and smartest survive. Forced abortions and sterilization would necessarily fall upon the poorest,because they have no power to fight the system.

Screw the eliete and the NWO!!!

I have read most of this thread and scanned the rest. There have been many greats points made. I am now convinced that we humans can not solve this problem. At least not now. I just to complicated.

Can someone invent replicators already!!!

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It does not matter. A true good person would find alternatives. Populate other planets, offer moon mining jobs. Anything.

But what he says is not justifiable. End of story.

Bottom line - this agenda would be dubious even if it was true to its stated intentions of creating a better world for the demished populations, but, like Communism, it is only a smokescreen for the true agenda of the globalists - to cull the exess population and reduce the survivors to mere serfdom, as they have stated time and time again in their writings, going back to Malthus, continuing through Sanger, Hitler and propagated by Huxley and Russell, among many others. The scientific dictators are using the 'global warming' myth as means to control all physical recources through carbon taxation, and the 'overpopulation' myth as the means to control the genetic recources of humanity, and thus the future of the species.

Ultimate power corrupts absolutely, and some of you would give that power, the power of life and death over future generations, into the hands of the most corrupt elite that have ever existed in recorded human history. Good plan!

So save the 'save the humans by killing them' garbage for the liberal yuppies who think eugenics was some fad that died out with Hitler.

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Aren't fascism and marxism diametrically opposed?

Originally posted by really
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Aren't fascism and marxism diametrically opposed?

Umm.....No. Why would you think that?

Well, it's gonna be Handmaid's Tale =D.

"The planet is fine, the people, are f---ed"= George Carlin

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econ161.berkeley.edu...

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Actually, this one is an even better answer.

www.britannica.com...

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by really
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Aren't fascism and marxism diametrically opposed?

Umm.....No. Why would you think that?

they are absolute opposites. i would reccomend reading the dozens of replies calling out your ignorance in calling someone a marxist/fascist.

If I were to make a birth control (BC) agent and put it in the water supply, I would target men over women. Currently there is no BC for men, but once one is made, I could guarantee that there would be a lot of men willing to use the product.

Not to be humorous, but being able to go out and get busy with some women without the repercussions of pregnancy might be nice. However, after reading some of the section regarding this in his book, it sounds like he wanted sterility to be permanent.

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JScytale, glad to see someone who caught that, too. By the way, you signature line kind of sums this all up, doesn't it? ;-)

HAHAHA I just posted in a thread about depop a few days ago and I SAID there WOULD be forced abortions! max.is.awake 1 skeptics 0 This administration is the last one of it kind btw. NWO shall be Supreme Leader of the planet by next election. Our monetary system will be done. No more voting for POTUS and that will trickle down to the sub-governments as well, cause the NWO will not have ANYONE stand in their way.


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When did this site turn to the John Birch Society/Fox News/you pick your right wing nutbag conservative news site?

I used to come here for the alternative stories that you don't hear in mainstream news regarding issues from a beyond partisan viewpoint, of aliens, and conspiracies that aren't broadcast on network news.

Now, and oddly particularly since a certain november day, it seems like all I see is the same bs I see on every redneck blog about this MARXIST/FASCIST/SOCIALIST/MUSLIM/ATHEIST (caps and obviously contradictory political and religious stances meant) pres.

Even if the science "CZAR" did write this book, I don't find it that offensive, outside of the fact that I think we should be voluntarily not involuntarily sterilizing ourselves. But it's gotten to the point where even here, to suggest that somehow humans, like bunnies or deer, could ever somehow cause a problem by incessant overbreeding, is again (sorry) MARXISM/FASCISM/NWO MIND CONTROL LIBERAL....whatever.

and that whole flaw with this whole story ignores the utter ignorance and clearly provable fact that saying "The radical left keeps trying to tell homosexuals they can't get married, and keeps lobbying to take away the rights of young pregnant women..." is WRONG. But rightwingers don't pay attention to when they contradict themselves. Calling san fran gays radical lefties, then saying radical lefties are against gay marriage.

I guess I'll go back to waiting for the right wingers to crawl into the woodworks so this site can have actual interesting information, not right wing news talking points.

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Originally posted by JScytale
most americans who use socialism as a term for "bad" would probably have their minds completely blown to learn that ideas such as "equal rights for all", "freedom from oppression", "i own what i produce", etc are all thoroughly marxist ideas. In fact I simply can't see how a human being with a conscience could consider capitalism to be the *morally* superior choice over marxism if he thoroughly understood both theories.

They're all forms of capitalism. The difference is in who owns/controls the capital.

What makes anyone to think that President Obama is in charge anyways. I would have to say that there are people telling him what to say and do because there is no way in hell he knows anything about foreign policy or any other kinds of policy other than to get himself into some sort of power. People who have voted for him will eventually see what he really is. I am sure they won't be any kind words either.

On a serious note, who believes everything they read, especially from an unknown website? Sometimes you have to sit back and truly ask yourself if you believe everything you read on the Internet.

Originally posted by The Answer
I though i was the only one with that theory! I hope they do put brith control into the water.

Even if they do....."life finds a way". I got pregnant 6 times on 6 different types of 99.9% effective birth control. They may have all been "accidents" but none of them were mistakes.

Originally posted by CRB86

For a start, Fascists are ultra-nationalist whereas the ultimate aim of Socialism is the eradication of nationhood.

Really? tell that to NATIONAL SOCIALISTS. There are many forms of Socialism/Communism, and if the aim of Socialism is the eradication of "nationhood", there wouldn't be so many Socialist countries with different names, and with different governments, yet they are.

Originally posted by CRB86
Expansionist imperialism is a key tenet of Fascism. Empire building is vital. If you think that empire building is in any way related to Socialism then you do not have even a basic understanding of Socialism.

Socialists/Communists aim to build their own empire, and to spread their dissease worldwide. Obviously you have not been paying attention to history, and what Socialists and Communists want.

Even the One World government, one world economy is based on Socialism, and eventually Communism, which is why the Republic of the United States is being transformed into a Socialist nightmare.

Let's take an excerpt from wiki, since so many members trust wiki more than any other source.

Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept.[9] Fascism is much defined by what it opposes, what scholars call the fascist negations - its opposition to individualism,[10] rationalism, liberalism, conservatism and communism. [11] In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by CRB86
Fascists believe in the charismatic dictator as the ultimate authority. Marx wrote of the proletariat governing themselves, and of the equality of man.

Marx was a lunatic who couldn't differentiate his nose from his ear. In true Socialism, and Communism the STATE which is controlled by a few dictates what the people should do. Marx knew, just like every true Communist knows, that the PEOPLE will never have control, there will always be a few people which will choose what they think is best for everyone else.

How can the people which is made out of millions of "INDIVIDUALS" have control in Socialism, and the ultimate goal of Communism when Individualism is suppressed by the Marxist/Communist ideals?...

Originally posted by CRB86
Fascists were for a 'survival of the fittest' model of existence. No health-care, no welfare state. Please tell me how this could be in any way construed as pertaining to the radical left.

Hitler also thought the same way, and if you think Communists once they attain their goals think about the people you are very mistaken. Hitler saw minorities as lesser than dogs, and he thought he would do the world a favour by getting rid of minorities, and just allowing what he thought was the master race to be the only ones to exist with rights in Germany.

Originally posted by CRB86
This is not to mention that Marxism, Socialism and Communism are all VERY different from each other.

They have some differences but they have many similarities. They are all part of the Socialist ideals. Lenin and Stalin had different ideals on Communism, but just because there were some differences it doesn't make them any less Communists....

Originally posted by CRB86
Marxism and Fascism are diametrically opposed. I can't believe that just because the Nazis practised what was called 'National Socialism' that an entire generation of Americans equates Fascism and Socialism.

Literally unbelievable.

Obviously you haven't even studied history. Hitler made an address to the German people in which he proclaimed they were all Socialists, and stated their goals, as in the 25 points of Hitler's Nazi Party, which included many Socialist ideals.


Hitler himself said the following to the German people....

"We are socialists, we are enemies of todays capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

constitutionalistnc.tripod.com...

I am not going to excerpt the entire 25 points, but these should tell you what Hitler really was...

9. All citizens must possess equal rights and duties.

10. The first duty of every citizen must be to work mentally or physically. No individual shall do any work that offends against the interest of the community to the benefit of all.

Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.

19. We demand that Roman law, which serves a materialist ordering of the world, be replaced by German common law.

20. In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

Not to mention...

COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

www.historyplace.com...




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