Four Atheist Quotes That Hit Home.

Originally posted by cybertroy
If I could, I would like to comment on two of these.

“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world.”
Richard Dawkins

Umm, not very accurate. Cannot be applied to all religions. Some religions do push for understanding of the world. Believing in a creator in no way means you are an idiot, incapable of understanding all the nooks and crannies of the world.

“An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support.”
John Buchan

No, an athiest has a "belief" that supports him; the "belief" that there isn't a god (creator). I assure you this belief is quite "invisible," and honestly unproven. An atheist's "god" is their disbelief in god. When someone physically grabs that "belief" and physically puts it in a bag for all to see, then let me know.

How about a quote from ol' cybertroy.

"I have personal experiences that honestly point toward creation. I have nothing in all my knowledge, and in all that I have read, over the years, that nullifies god/creator. Nothing. There is nothing that has been written in the past, being written now, or that will be written in the future that will nullify a creator. Trying to disprove a creator is pretty much the biggest waste of time and resourses ever undertaken. You are free to try disproving god if you want. But even with an eternity of time, it cannot be accomplished. The biggest hurdle you have is 'how everything first started coming into being.' " - Troy Honaker (cybertoy) - July, 2009

Carry on folks. I'm done.

Troy

Your quote pretty much sucks supreme. Atleast take the time to spell # right. "resourses", and you spelled your own name wrong. Plus your quote sucks

reply to post by barksplinter


I was really hoping that the link you provided

khouse.org...

was going to have information or evidence towards the existence of what you claimed (a creator).
You said I could find a good lead towards "Proof" of a creator at that link. All I found was Religious Scripture.
While I think it is awesome that you contributed to the thread that link hardly qualifies as a start for finding "Proof" of a Creator.

Interpretation of the Bible is not Proof of a creator.

reply to post by makinho21


Both those Washington quotes are in actually a statement of how we should all get along despite are "religious" denomination. And that you should be granted office no matter what God you believe, as long as you believe in a God. That is one of the reasons the pilgrims left the old world was to escape religious persecution I do believe my Washington quote expresses his true feelings about religion in politics. These 2 quotes read by a less intelligent person could be misleading.

[edit on 15-7-2009 by Balone]

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
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"Recognize that the very molecules that make up your body, the atoms that construct the molecules, are traceable to the crucibles that were once the centers of high mass stars that exploded their chemically rich guts into the galaxy, enriching pristine gas clouds with the chemistry of life. So that we are all connected to each other biologically, to the earth chemically and to the rest of the universe atomically. That’s kinda cool! That makes me smile and I actually feel quite large at the end of that. It’s not that we are better than the universe, we are part of the universe. We are in the universe and the universe is in us."
— Neil deGrasse Tyson

Funny , that pretty much sums up Romans chapter 1 verse 19-25 ...

"[19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Originally posted by ShawNee922

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
I

"Recognize that the very molecules that make up your body, the atoms that construct the molecules, are traceable to the crucibles that were once the centers of high mass stars that exploded their chemically rich guts into the galaxy, enriching pristine gas clouds with the chemistry of life. So that we are all connected to each other biologically, to the earth chemically and to the rest of the universe atomically. That’s kinda cool! That makes me smile and I actually feel quite large at the end of that. It’s not that we are better than the universe, we are part of the universe. We are in the universe and the universe is in us."
— Neil deGrasse Tyson

Funny , that pretty much sums up Romans chapter 1 verse 19-25 ...

"[19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

I have to admit some of the terminology that God uses was kind of...how do I say it....Unscientific?

"Invisible Things"?
"Creeping Things"?
"Uncleanness"?
"Four Footed Beasts"?

Maybe god needs to take some Science courses at the local community college?

Originally posted by Alaskan Man

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
Stephen Roberts

[edit on 7/12/2009 by Alaskan Man]

That is a very profound thought.

I think more people who are religious should look deep within themselves and think about this quote.

This is truly wisdom, and this is wisdom that might help steer us in the right direction, away from mainstream religion.

reply to post by TurkeyBurgers


They are called allegories and metaphors. They are not to be taken literally. They are meant to bring about understanding of things.

Take the story of Moses and the staff that turns into serpents. Do you really think that is about literal snakes and sorcerers? Not at all.

Sorcerers = politicians. All the pharaohs politicians and positions within government. A Sorcerer is someone who uses words for power. It doesn't mean fire spits out of them literally and such, they use their worlds to gain power/control over people. Once they have the backing of the people, then they have much power in the land. Same thing for relics. It's not the relics themselves that bring the power in somekind of magical way. It's the symbols themselves that people will follow.

See that understanding? They use words to gain power? It's not talking Harry Potter stuff.

Serpents = wisdom. Moses goes to the pharaoh and faces his sorcerers. The sorcerers put out their serpents(wisdom) and Moses puts out his, and his wisdom is so much greater than that of the politicians, then his "serpent" eats theirs and they can't deny it.

If you are seeing literal serpents, apples, four legged beasts and so forth, then you are just looking at the "cool special effects" and missed the understanding.

Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla
That is a very profound thought.

I think more people who are religious should look deep within themselves and think about this quote.

This is truly wisdom, and this is wisdom that might help steer us in the right direction, away from mainstream religion.

What would you say if the bible was actually full of wisdom that is completely against mainstream religion?

Badmedia you understood why I was saying that right?

"Funny , that pretty much sums up Romans chapter 1 verse 19-25 ..." -ShawNee922

No! It does not even begin to come close to saying anything remotly the same!

That is like me saying

"God hath shown through moving things that are in the Heavens!"

Pretty much sums up the Theory of Gravity.

NO! STOP! NO!

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
Badmedia you understood why I was saying that right?

"Funny , that pretty much sums up Romans chapter 1 verse 19-25 ..." -ShawNee922

No! It does not even begin to come close to saying anything remotly the same!

That is like me saying

"God hath shown through moving things that are in the Heavens!"

Pretty much sums up the Theory of Gravity.

NO! STOP! NO!

Well, that would actually be Keplers laws, and the theory of gravity would have been the apple falling to the ground.

However, you were pointing out the literal things of the bible and ridiculing them, and they are not meant to be taken literally. You called them "unscientific" terms and so forth. But those things are symbolic of understandings.

1+1=2 is the expression of understanding math. We as humans can not directly related understanding to each other, so we use symbols and such to express those understandings. And those allegories are simply expressions of deeper understandings.

I have no idea about the Romans stuff, I don't pay attention to Paul and think he is a fake.

reply to post by badmedia


I am pointing out how ridiculous it is to try and give the Bible credit for humanities understanding of the Universe. It is shameful and it is intolerable. Had the Bible AT THE VERY LEAST had the basic concept of the Scientific Method in it somewhere then yes we might be able to credit to some of these OBSCURE analogies to Science. BUT IT DOES NOT!

SO do not even try to give the Bible credit for ANY of Sciences AWESOME discoveries.

If anything the interpretation of the Bible has set humanities understanding of the Universe and Science BACKWARDS maybe more than a THOUSAND YEARS!

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
Originally posted by ShawNee922
Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers

Maybe god needs to take some Science courses at the local community college?

hahaha Because God was supposed to talk to early man like they are scientists? Even people in our age can't understand half of the things science has to offer... Funny post tho!

reply to post by makinho21


No hairs to be split. I just said that he had called himself a Christian on at least one occasion. As for his beliefs, we will never know exactly but Jefferson's last words were

I resign myself to my God, and my child to my country

No matter his struggle with his belief during life, he obviously believed in something come his death. That is not an atheist.

reply to post by Histopherness


wow did he really say that? pretty deep thing to say.

how dare you accuse this of being a one liner.

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by badmedia

 

I am pointing out how ridiculous it is to try and give the Bible credit for humanities understanding of the Universe. It is shameful and it is intolerable. Had the Bible AT THE VERY LEAST had the basic concept of the Scientific Method in it somewhere then yes we might be able to credit to some of these OBSCURE analogies to Science. BUT IT DOES NOT!

SO do not even try to give the Bible credit for ANY of Sciences AWESOME discoveries.

If anything the interpretation of the Bible has set humanities understanding of the Universe and Science BACKWARDS maybe more than a THOUSAND YEARS!

How would you know, you don't even understand the bible. You are knocking something you don't even understanding, claiming it's going to set people backwards thousands of years.

The sciences of today are way behind the bible. Scientists haven't even figured out they are in a program, and that there are things outside the physical/known universe and they think everything comes from the universe.

I like science, and look forward to the day when it catches up. Quantum physics will end up proving the bible right because for the first time in science they are actually attempting to include consciousness and the observer into the equation.

But hey, if you wanna sit around and look at what the bible says literally as a way of discrediting it without actually understanding a single word of it, then that is your choice.

Answer me this:

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Do you think earth there is referring to the planet earth? It's not.

reply to post by Wookiep


Wait didn't God CREATE those same men? Why would he create the men so that he could not even communicate with them the most basic principle of Science?

Oh wait let me guess...Free Will or some other horrible doorstop.

Here I will help God out since he seems to have such a terrible time Understanding.

This Post is for you Big Feller in the Sky!

-Turkeys Eight Commandments of the Holy Scientific Methodology-

1. Explaineth thine question
2. Harvest knowledge and materials (observeth)
3. Supposeth
4. Performeth experiment and collecteth knowledge
5. Studyeth thine results
6. Supposeth from thine results of thine experiment and figureth out what hath means for thon new Supposeth
7. Createth stone tablet displaying thine supposetheing so that thon others in thine tribe may recreate thine performething of experiments
8. Redoeth ALL Previous Commandments with thine new supposething

THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT TURKEYS LECTURETH ON THINE MOUNT COMMANDS OF THEE!

TO DISGRACE ANYTH OF THINE METHODS IS TO DISGRACETH GODS NAME!

IF ANY MEMBER OF THINE TRIBE DOES NOT FOLLOW THESE COMMANDMENTS THEY WILL BE STRICKEN DOWN INTO THE FIERY PITS OF HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!

Now was that so hard?

You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend
~Richard Jeni

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.
~Emo Philips

Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church
~unknown

And to prove I can quote something not facetious

The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike
~Delos B. McKown

OK maybe that was a little facetious, but it does have depth if you think about it.

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
This Post is for you Big Feller in the Sky!

And right there you show that you don't have a clue. God is not some "feller in the sky".

-Turkeys Eight Commandments of the Holy Scientific Methodology-

1. Explaineth thine question

Matthew 7

7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

2. Harvest knowledge and materials (observeth)
3. Supposeth
4. Performeth experiment and collecteth knowledge

Proverbs 8

10Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.

11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

5. Studyeth thine results
6. Supposeth from thine results of thine experiment and figureth out what hath means for thon new Supposeth

Proverbs 9

4Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,

5Come, eat of my bread, and drink of the wine which I have mingled.

6Forsake the foolish, and live; and go in the way of understanding.

7He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame: and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot.

8Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.

9Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.

7. Createth stone tablet displaying thine supposetheing so that thon others in thine tribe may recreate thine performething of experiments
8. Redoeth ALL Previous Commandments with thine new supposething

Matthew 7

7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

Of course, the commandments had nothing to do with science, and are the basic foundation of all societies. But whatever.

Only the church teaches acceptance over understanding.

Quantum physics will end up proving the bible right because for the first time in science they are actually attempting to include consciousness and the observer into the equation.

-Badmedia

I cannot believe that you actually just said that. I am going to let you use a Mulligan here and we will all just pretend that you never said it.

M.I.B. Flashy Thing POOOOOF!

So Badmedia what is going on buddy?

[edit on 16-7-2009 by TurkeyBurgers]

reply to post by TurkeyBurgers


lol all of your posts are amusing to say the least. First thing you need to do is take a breath and relax. I *understand* your concerns, perhaps on a religion-based thread we can discuss this! This one however, is an athiests thread and I don't want to destroy a perfectly good thread with a religious (which btw I am not, mainly because of the meaning of the word "religion") argument. Arguing about God is pointless however, and also hypocritical of those who follow it by doing so. If you don't believe life goes on! People need to relax on this subject, and believe what they choose without getting so offended.





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