Timothy McVeigh Deserves a Statue of Honor

Wow someone actually wants a ban on freedom of thought here?

Some people fear the CIA will shut the site down if people opinionize?

Wow! Some people here are either working with the government, or, they are detracting from the ATS site objectives.

Look back a few years when the ATS and the Black Vault was the initiators of truth and government coverups, I am sure there were people like these cowards who were wanting them to shut up as well.

The minute you start wanting to censor an opinion on the NET, you cause the last freedom of thought to be legizlated by your very ignorance.

ATS is a site built with different categories and dimensions of thought that does not hinder an opinion so that the site can excel. The real threat here is the people calling for a thread removal, or a ban, you people are a threat to censoring everyone everyhwere.

Truth hurts though. Sometimes someone makes a point in the defence of another, and the politics of the ill informed come into play. Do yourself a favor, quit whining about the thread and asking for censorship, and start asking yourself if you are not the very seeds that assist the government to keep a community oppressed.

So with all the discussion of the CIA, FBI possibly monitoring ATS I had a thought.

If you were looking for people who support McVeigh's radical viewpoint and his disgusting acts you might start a thead looking for people who agree with blowing up federal buildings and killing civilians? If you agree with the OP then you are for domestic terrorisim.

Don't you think it would be an easy way to weed them out?

Just a thought...

I would think very few people would support a man who killed so many children and innocent people. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if you fell deep down that he was right and justified in what he did I wonder what YOU are willing to do?

[edit on 12-7-2009 by drock905]

For the record, the OP does not state that killing innocent children and bombing buildings was good. What the OP stated was that a statue would serve as a symbol to both sides of government and civilians of the result of Waco type incidents.

Yes, I still believe McVeigh was a hero for the action, cause that took guts to stand up to that level and do something as radical as the mebers of enforcement did to the victims of Waco.

I stand behind this opinion firmly. As for the comment about the reason to username, get over it, paybackcomessoon is not a username created with the intent of getiing violent, it is meant with the intent of going after the bad guys publicly.

As for this thread, I am amazed at the lack of insight, and the people who read it into it to portray a different post than what it was intended. But, whatever, was kind of funny to see all the replies.

Fun while it lasted, and now for my next post, I will explain why Charles Manson deserves his face on the American dollar bill.

I can't hold with killing innocent children, and that SOB did it. Children have no choice as to their parents, much less their parent's politics.

Even some of these adults who were killed had no propensities toward doing harm, nor held with the killings at Ruby Ridge or at Waco.

These were atrocities at Waco and Ruby Ridge were of like kind, and it is unfortunate that those responsible weren't held responsible and shot themselves.

Anyone who would willfully and knowingly kill children has a special place in hell. I forgot what Jesus said, but something to the effect that one who would harm children would be better off if they'd never been born.

Accidents happen in war, but this was not a matter of shooting back at anyone that McVeigh did.

If he wanted to strike back at the FBI shooters, the ATF clowns, or even those that gave unbelievable orders to facilitate these tragedies, that's illegal too, but a tiny bit more understandable.

But killing children?

You gotta be one sick puppy.

I think McVeigh was too stupid to blow up the building himself. He stood against Desert Storm, while Iraqi's were invading Kuwait and threatening to launch rockets all over the middle east. After he was executed, I think they should have buried him at the Oklahoma City Bombing memorial so everyone who came to pay their respects to all of the INNOCENT victims would have the opportunity to spit on his grave.

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I think you may be a little bit confused here it may seem like he was doing something for fellow Americans that have died by the governments hand for various reasons but its what he did and how he did it that's makes him a bad person two wrongs don't make a right first of all if he really wanted to avenge their deaths maybe he should have raised some kind of awareness toward cults and or the way the government deals with certain types of situations he should have known that taking more innocent American lives was not the answer by any means thus resulting in only more hurt and devastation to American people i hope you rethink some of the things you have said and reread some of the articles you have got your info from because for one you aren't going to find many if any supporters of this type thread here or anywhere else for that matter bottom line is people who think killing more Americans to avenge the lives of other Americans who have died is just plain got the wrong idea i hope for your sake and the safety of fellow Americans that you rethink this and realize there are other ways of dealing with things without involving violence.

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CORRECT 100%...IF you knuckleheads honestly believe fertilizer & the type b o m b "they" say he used will do that kind of damage to steel reinforced concrete...without internal explosives placed inside the building.."Public opinion is a weak tyrant compared to one's own private opinion.." Thoreau..or that he wasn't set up..you are seriously kidding yourselves..denial a fatal... tool of the ego...Then why may I ask di the FBI withhold over 700 pages of contradictory evidence from McVeigh;s defense team..and why were rescue efforts halted for almost 14 hours so file cabinets and other explosives were removed from the Murray Fed building and where is the rubble now? These were test cases WACO also to test American Patriot's tolerance and response for threats/infringement of our Constitutional rights....do your homework and "place principles before personalities.." see what you find...Controlled Demolition Inc Phoenix Maryland..watch Enemy of the State starring Will Smith and Gene Hackman..check the end credits..see who demo'd that building..?

Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON
Yes, I still believe McVeigh was a hero for the action, cause that took guts to stand up to that level and do something as radical as the mebers of enforcement did to the victims of Waco.

It didn't take guts, it took mental instability.

Just like it took mental instability for you to come to the conclusion that anything he did deserves a statue.

Then you say you think Charles Manson should be on the dollar bill? I wouldn't be surprised if you already made it onto the potential terrorist list.

It's ironic that you actually have this thread in the "War On Terrorism" forum, and you are calling for a statue for a terrorist.

It is my opinion that you are a potential terrorist.

Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON
For the record, the OP does not state that killing innocent children and bombing buildings was good. What the OP stated was that a statue would serve as a symbol to both sides of government and civilians of the result of Waco type incidents.

Yes, I still believe McVeigh was a hero for the action, cause that took guts to stand up to that level and do something as radical as the mebers of enforcement did to the victims of Waco.

I stand behind this opinion firmly. As for the comment about the reason to username, get over it, paybackcomessoon is not a username created with the intent of getiing violent, it is meant with the intent of going after the bad guys publicly.

As for this thread, I am amazed at the lack of insight, and the people who read it into it to portray a different post than what it was intended. But, whatever, was kind of funny to see all the replies.

Fun while it lasted, and now for my next post, I will explain why Charles Manson deserves his face on the American dollar bill.

I'm amazed that one would glorify domestic terrorism, and feel no remorse.

Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON


Truth hurts though. Sometimes someone makes a point in the defence of another, and the politics of the ill informed come into play. Do yourself a favor, quit whining about the thread and asking for censorship, and start asking yourself if you are not the very seeds that assist the government to keep a community oppressed.

We really pooped on your parade, didn't we?

If you think Waco was bad, they shouldn't have killed women and children, then how does that make McVeigh right?

A real man, a true fighter, a true hero, takes a gun to a gun not a bomb to a daycare center. He was and will always be a coward. Home of the brave does not erect statues to cowards.

Originally posted by violet
Unbelievable .... but I'm more concerned with what your username is threatening. Are you looking to have a statue made of you also?

Well I agree Mc Veigh was an idiot and he had to know the kids
were in the building.

I think ppl do need to read the 3rd terrorist about the OKC bombing
and realize there is a cover up on the deal.

As someone who was in OKC when the bomb went off I do not
support Mc Veigh or anyone like him, but... I think we have a
rogue government and things are about to get WAY out of hand
due to ppl like this person with that kind of username.

I myself am just getting ready to hide real well, and if you are not
getting ready for the coming civil unrest then you are a fool.

We have a total banking shutdown coming in just a few months.

We have 1,000+ trillion in derivatives set to collapse.

We have someone sneaking around the world sprinkling wheat
rust fungus on crops in hopes of wiping out 80% of the world's wheat.

We have 2 japanese men detained for having $134 billion in fake
bonds that are then released a few days later after some phone
calls from the government of japan. If I had any counterfeit anything
I'd be held until trial and then imprisoned for a LONG LONG time.

Thus the bonds are real, and japan and possibly other nations are
dumping them secretly via switzerland.

Maybe that is where the missing 9 trillion from the federal reserve
went to cover and why they won't tell us about it.

All of these articles mentioned above are in the mainstream news,
and 95% of the ppl don't even know the full details of them and the
full ramifications.

We are on the brink...

Prepare accordingly !

Good Luck to you all !

Originally posted by ALLis0NE

Originally posted by PAYBACKCOMESSOON
Yes, I still believe McVeigh was a hero for the action, cause that took guts to stand up to that level and do something as radical as the mebers of enforcement did to the victims of Waco.

It didn't take guts, it took mental instability.

Just like it took mental instability for you to come to the conclusion that anything he did deserves a statue.

It is my opinion that you are a potential terrorist.

Completely agree, Mc Veigh was a terrorist or worse.

But we have to realize there are ppl here that are about to lose
control other than Mc Veigh, and they may not be so reckless
and they may be a bit smarter.

When this all goes to hell in a hand basket have a plan in place
to be ready to get the hell out of dodge if it goes large scale.

Also check out the 3rd terrorist book by a former reporter here in OKC,
it shows there was a cover up in the OKC bombing.

The Third Terroist - by Jayna Davis

Good Luck to you all !

Originally posted by soundcradle
I am going to have to agree with the person who started this topic.
It's very obvious the troops over in ALLLL the foreign country's are killing mass amounts of civilians (contrary to what the mainstream media says)
I am not saying all troops are like that, but most are.

According to who then?? Were you in the military? Do you know anyone in the military? I do, I have two cousins who have been in Iraq and Afganistan, my father served in Vietnam, and both of my grandfathers were in the military and served in WW2 and I can guarantee you they would not purposefully kill innocent civilians. The misconception that our troops are nothing more than killing machines devoid of any emotion, morals or scruples really gets on my tits. It really ticks me off that brave men and women WILLINGLY give up their lives to protect our freedom so little twerps like you can look down your nose at them, passing judgement and think them nothing more than mindless murderers.

On topic, anyone who thinks that Timothy McVeigh, whether he's a patsy or not, deserves a statue of honor, for whatever reasoning, needs their head examined.

This whole thread is offensive IMO.

[edit on 13-7-2009 by sugarmonkey]

[edit on 13-7-2009 by sugarmonkey]

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Everybody who is in the military says this same patriotic I'm a hero BS. Those people in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan aren't killing themselves. If your relatives and everyone elses relatives aren't killing people then who is?

The military are brainwashed sheep who are used to murder innocent people by the hundreds of thousand. The USA military has been responsible for millions of deaths since WWII. Stop worshipping at the feet of power and realize they are pawns in a game.

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either you are simply trolling or you are seriouslly miguided :shk:

Among the first to die were the children in the day care center on the first floor......

And if you really believe the crap that he is some kind of anti government hero, understand that he gave the government exactly the excuse to clamp down on the very "freedom" he professed to love.

McVeigh was the worst of the bunch. Instead of striking at a real target he went after innocent workers.

Lethal injection? he got better than he deserved


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Originally posted by theyreadmymind
This whole thread has turned into nothing but a bandwagon and ad hominem attacks. In five pages I've read almost nothing of any substance. Sure, no killing of innocents is good. Is it ever justified? I'll leave that call up to you people who want to make those decisions, I sure don't. But the government did it first to its own people. Why are most of you only focusing on the OP's call for a statue (like that will ever happen) and only focusing on what happened to the babies in Oklahoma and why are you not upset about what the government did to the innocent babies in Waco? So what if their leader slept with a few underage girls, does that make it okay to kill the girls too? If you don't think violence is justified then you should be against violence everywhere. You should be against what happened at Waco, what happened at the Federal Building in Oklahoma, Iraq, wherever. Not just focus on one or the other. Maybe next time the government propaganda machine tells us our enemies are using innocent people as human shields we'll ask ourselves what baby daycares are doing in federal buildings here in the U.S.

In the case of the government, they messed up.

Then again, all the parents and Koresh needed to do was LEAVE the building.

Instead they drank the koolaid. Because letting Koresh pretend to be Jesus was more important to them than the lives of their children. These people KNEW in advance what was happening. They could have continued their stupidity anywhere. Instead, they decided to let a psycho make decisions for them.

This is significantly different than McVeigh's bombing. Unless you want to claim, as say Al-Qeada does, that all public employees should all know that they are always legitimate targets.

Timothy McVeigh was a good soldier, he died for his cause... I'll give him that much.

HOWEVER!
Per McVeigh's lawyer McVeigh's hatred of Jews was so great he teamed up the enemy.

McVeigh enlisted the help of an Iraqi CIA equivalent to bomb a U.S Federal building killing hundreds of innocents.
If for no other reason we should have invaded Iraq.

The iraq invasion was NOT so much about Iraq as about the biggest dog on the block, the perpetuator of Radical Islam since the days of Jimmie Carter; Iran.
Controlling Afganistan on one side and Iraq on the other would have served as isolating fronts and staging points to deal with these purveyors of hate.
Anyone with a cursory knowledge of Geography could have seen that.

The Libnut Press has ended that plan and lost the War on Terror.
They did the same with Vietnam. (I use to believe their cowardly lies back in the day.)

The Press has elected a Radical Islamist as POTUS during a war with Radical Islam... are they therefore traitors?

McViegh was part of THIS and you praise him as a hero?

Sometimes domestic terrorism is what is required when a tyrannical government is in place. But, I'm against targeting innocent people. If they wish to send a message wait till the place is vacant then take it out.

Our forefathers found this country with domestic terrorism and only way to take it back will be through the same.


but targeting innocent people is very bad.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by theyreadmymind
This whole thread has turned into nothing but a bandwagon and ad hominem attacks. In five pages I've read almost nothing of any substance. Sure, no killing of innocents is good. Is it ever justified? I'll leave that call up to you people who want to make those decisions, I sure don't. But the government did it first to its own people. Why are most of you only focusing on the OP's call for a statue (like that will ever happen) and only focusing on what happened to the babies in Oklahoma and why are you not upset about what the government did to the innocent babies in Waco? So what if their leader slept with a few underage girls, does that make it okay to kill the girls too? If you don't think violence is justified then you should be against violence everywhere. You should be against what happened at Waco, what happened at the Federal Building in Oklahoma, Iraq, wherever. Not just focus on one or the other. Maybe next time the government propaganda machine tells us our enemies are using innocent people as human shields we'll ask ourselves what baby daycares are doing in federal buildings here in the U.S.

In the case of the government, they messed up.

Then again, all the parents and Koresh needed to do was LEAVE the building.

Instead they drank the koolaid. Because letting Koresh pretend to be Jesus was more important to them than the lives of their children. These people KNEW in advance what was happening. They could have continued their stupidity anywhere. Instead, they decided to let a psycho make decisions for them.

This is significantly different than McVeigh's bombing. Unless you want to claim, as say Al-Qeada does, that all public employees should all know that they are always legitimate targets.

Oh right they messed up. Who's drinking the koolaid? Watch the video the OP posted and deny ignorance.

I don't give a damn that you think these people were stupid! It doesn't do anything for your argument. Stupid people don't deserve to die!

And as far as federal employees knowing they might be targets, yes, I think they should be made aware that they may be seen as targets. I think when you have government buildings consisting of civilians you should be aware that many targets are going to contain civilians.

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How are you avenging American's by KILLING MORE AMERICAN'S, It's an OXY MORON!!!