A notice to those who oppose or have a problem with the Gay Rights Movement

reply to post by jeasahtheseer


I think ol' Dick Cheney would still be Anti-Gay if his daughter was not a lesbian.

Having someone who he loves so much come out about being gay changed his opinion on the matter.

If that's what it takes so be it.

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
what if your kids turn out to be gay, what exactly would you do?

Based off of the assumption that they are aware of my views on homosexuality growing up, I would still love them. Disapprove of their behavior in relation to such matters, and would not allow such behavior to occur in my home. This means, no bringing home a same sex partner ever.

And again, I would treat it the same if it were any other behavior I considered inappropriate or unacceptable.

reply to post by ReelView


Interesting reply. Well said.

Originally posted by Wolf321

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer
what if your kids turn out to be gay, what exactly would you do?

Based off of the assumption that they are aware of my views on homosexuality growing up, I would still love them. Disapprove of their behavior in relation to such matters, and would not allow such behavior to occur in my home. This means, no bringing home a same sex partner ever.

And again, I would treat it the same if it were any other behavior I considered inappropriate or unacceptable.

Thats understandable I understand where you are coming from. I have always wondered what people would do if their kids are gay. I admit I don't have a problem with gays, HOWEVER I have a daughter and if she turned out to be gay I probably wouldn't want it in my house either to be completely honest. I wouldn't care if she was gay, I would just feel uncomfortable having it in my house. But also my wife is black and some blacks are VERY homophobic (sadly her family is VERY homophobic, I have a gay uncle and they HATE him) so I don't think she'd allow it, and her side of the family would probably FLIP out. But on the other hand I wouldn't want my daughter to have a guy over either, unless hes having dinner with us or shes married to him, thats the only time I'd allow any guy to sleep in my house. I wouldn't want her just "hooking up" with guys or anything though in the house, of course no parent would want that lol (luckily shes young and I don't have to worry about that for years, and I'm NOT looking to forward to it).



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Also - if you're a youthful person and an advocate for this cause, you might want to remember that the youth have been manipulated for hundreds if not thousands of years for cause after cause after cause. From the crusades, the French Revolution, Russian Revolution, Hitler Youth, Mao's Communist Youth League. If you view yourself as the "righteous crusader for justice and virtue", so did the other youth throughout history. You might want to ask yourself how did you come to this cause, who is leading it, who is being manipulated, what might the real goals be, etc..

The society is being constantly fed aphrodisiacs in foods which promote the downward tendencies and alcohol is promoted which dissipates the spirit outwardly into the flesh. Are being let to be an instigator for yet another form of dissipation of the spirit and the consciousness of the individual?

Personally, I could care less. I've known Gays who could kick the crap out of a straight guy and had absolutely no fashion sense whatsoever and Lesbians who obsessed over their makeup and breaking a nail. It doesn't matter either way to me. If two consenting people want to be in a legally recognized union (like marriage), then more power to them. I view it as I don't choose to be straight, so there is a pretty good chance most of the LGBT community don't choose to be the way they are.

As much as I would personally like for the definition of a Civil Union to be changed to between two people, and for the definition to recognized nationally, I know that that is easier said than done. I think that the decision should be left to the states, at least for right now. The US is too big of a country with too many different people for there to be a decision as big as the definition of a Civil Union to go over easily.

I really don't think that there would be as much of a controversy if most people actually knew what your average LGBT person was without the stereotypes. I really think that if most people knew that most in the LGBT community were like the OP, they wouldn't have as much of a problem.

Originally posted by riddle6
Personally, I could care less. I've known Gays who could kick the crap out of a straight guy and had absolutely no fashion sense whatsoever and Lesbians who obsessed over their makeup and breaking a nail. It doesn't matter either way to me. If two consenting people want to be in a legally recognized union (like marriage), then more power to them. I view it as I don't choose to be straight, so there is a pretty good chance most of the LGBT community don't choose to be the way they are.

As much as I would personally like for the definition of a Civil Union to be changed to between two people, and for the definition to recognized nationally, I know that that is easier said than done. I think that the decision should be left to the states, at least for right now. The US is too big of a country with too many different people for there to be a decision as big as the definition of a Civil Union to go over easily.

I really don't think that there would be as much of a controversy if most people actually knew what your average LGBT person was without the stereotypes. I really think that if most people knew that most in the LGBT community were like the OP, they wouldn't have as much of a problem.

Yeah there is so many stupid stereotypes and I think thats one of the main reasons people don't like gays. Because after reading through this thread the main thing I see people complaining about is how gays act and how they are flamboyant and hit on straight men and stuff. Well thats a pretty small percentage of gay people, I know plenty of gay people and NONE of them are flamboyant and shove their "gayness" in peoples faces of anything. As matter of fact most the gay people I know cannot STAND the gay guys who are like that. They think they give them a bad name and create stereotypes, which they do.

Bottom line is, stereotypes are stupid and a good portion of stereotypes only apply to a VERY small amount of people.



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reply to post by jeasahtheseer


I know. Out of all of the LGBT people that I know (which is a LOT), probably ONE guy is flamboyant. And I spent many years in a theatre that had mainly musical productions. Everyone else was a normal as the next person.

reply to post by JaxonRoberts

The idea of "opposing" gays or gay rights doesn't work.
I don't see any real point to it.
But some moral codes still exist which consider same-sex love immoral.

I'm sure the rationale for any such moral code runs roughly as follows:
1) Sexual activity is one of the most emotionally-charged of human activities.
2) Therefore, to maximize rational thought and behavior, and minimize social turmoil, casual or pointless over-indulgence should be avoided.
3) The purpose of sexual activity is to put the future race there (have children).
4) Same-sex love cannot result in children, and therefore it is purposeless per 3 above.
5) Therefore, in a society seeking to maximize rational thought and action, same-sex love, along with many other activities that don't contribute to the overall goals of the group should be discouraged.

There are many that would say that a rationale of this character is flawed. Well, it probably is.

Being true to any code of right conduct, no matter how well thought-out, is very difficult for most people. But completely ignoring the most basic concepts of morality can be very dangerous for an individual and the people around him. We do need some code to follow.

What the subject of gay rights brings up for me is: How far can we chip away at a moral code before it begins to become so little supported that major crimes get committed which should have been blocked by peers or by public outcry? This has happened many times in history and has resulted in some of the major disasters of civilization. We need a moral code; it just needs to be practical.

As evidenced by many of these posts, the problems of sexual promiscuity tend to get mixed up with the gay issue. If gays want respect, then they have to deal with that problem just as everyone else has to deal with it. This is an area of "traditional morality" that has been under attack in recent years. I think it's a lot more fundamental than the gay issue. And I don't think we can afford to take the attacks lightly.

The bigger question is: How can a person or a society be prevented from losing its moral sense to the point that it becomes self-destructive? I'd like us to be putting more of our attention on issues that are going to have more impact on our future survival. The problem of moral decay is real. The sexual preference issue is at most a very minor aspect of that problem.

Just another follow up to complete the subject. A recent gay post talked about someone in government claiming gay "rights" would lead to pedophilia and how wrong that notion was.

A recent film, made in the last year is about a gay artist of the last century. A promotional quote from his lover was to the effect "he seduced me when I was 15 and how wonderful it was". Now you might want to do some research and find out how many of the GRM "leaders" publicly criticized that movie and that quote as a promotion of pedophilia? I'll be surprised if the # is greater than zero. If they didn't, why? How many publicly commented that the movie was "wonderful, humanistic, sensitive, an intimate portrait of a great spirit, etc., etc.." as the propaganda goes.

You might want to research who are the people behind the movement? I know a Rothschild female is among the causal advocates.

Now,this can be built upon or ripped apart. I am not going to talk that much about it, except make a comparison. First off, I believe homosexuals should have the decision the marry or not to just like any straight couple. But I believe if the definition of marriage is changing and we are focussed on people who are in love and want to be together for the rest of their lives, then why is/should polygamy be illegal? If people are in love and that is what they believe then why is the issue of polygamy and polygamist wanting to be legally wed so different then homosexuals wanting to wed? Now set aside all the bad things you have heard and believe about gays and what you have heard about polygamists and just look at the issue in black and white. What is so different?

I , by far, prefer to see more display of love, gay or not, than war and violence

Jesus said He came not to do away with the Law but to fulfill the law. Christianity is a JEWISH religion (Gentiles are grafted in). Jesus was a Jew; whatever the Torah says about homosexual acts is what Jesus would say.

Judge not that ye be not judged CATEGORICALLY IS NOT telling Christians to not Judge. Read the verse in context then read it in the Greek. This is an oft quoted, STUPIDLY mis-applied verse.

Telling someone their unhealthy lifestyle is healthy and normal is not very loving and certainly not loving thy neighbor as thyself. Even the Am Psychological Assoc., the most libnut gay oriented profession in the world, finally FOLLOWED THE SCIENCE, and placed homosexuality back into the DIAGNOSTIC MANUAL.

Sodomy/rectal intercourse is an extremely unhealthy behavior. It is a very very sad thing for those that are hopelessly entangled in this lifestyle. Bondage is the ONLY reason someone would risk their life to continue such a life.
Of course Gay men are not the only ones involved in this risky sex act. It is sodomy for heterosexuals also.

So how would telling my child that this death wish lifestyle is just a choice... a good thing?
How about telling my child, "Some people make choices that are wrong, that go against the teachings of God; it is called sin. God loves them just as much as He loves you and me for we too are sinners. We should be careful we do not become entangled in the bondages of sin. God never stops calling us to His love but the cost of the Bondage of Sin is always there.

Everybody is different, just like snow flakes. No two people are exactly alike, they are all different, special and unique, just like you!"

If everyone will become gay - this will be end to your fairy tale about diversity. The only way to multiply or continue humanity will be through cloning, because women are to be phased out eventually.

A lot of you keep saying being gay is wrong and the only reason you have is a religious reason. Do you people not realize everyone is not religious? Everyone does not believe in god. So therefore your views don't apply to them, sorry to say.

I find it funny how you guys keep bringing up sex too. As if gay people are the only people that have sex for fun. I gurantee all of you who aren't virgins have had plenty of sex for fun, and any of you who say you have just had sex to have a kid are probably lieing.

Everyone enjoys sex, sex is fun. There is nothing wrong with sex. Sex is not a sin (maybe it is to you religous people, but not to me). Am I going to burn in hell just because I have casual sex with my wife? lol i doudt it.

From what I've noticed is the people who say all this kind of stuff end up being the people with the most "unpure" thoughts and they lust after young girls and boys (1000's of catholic priests, disgusting individuals, a lot of you religous people say all this stuff about gays but then when a priests molest a kid you guys try to defend him, you disgust me).


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nevermind

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reply to post by argentus


I am pretty advanced in a lot of subject areas but when it comes to homosexuals I am just grossed out. I frankly think the subject is disgusting. While I am repulsed by them I think they should do as they wish. If they think I am wrong because my biological reaction is revulsion towards them that is tough. It is what it is. I will not apologize for my revulsion. It is after all biological in nature. It is like grossing out over something slimy stuck to my shoe. Should I apologize for feeling grossed out over something slimy on my shoe? I do not think so.

Originally posted by UFOTECH
reply to post by argentus

 

I am pretty advanced in a lot of subject areas but when it comes to homosexuals I am just grossed out. I frankly think the subject is disgusting. While I am repulsed by them I think they should do as they wish. If they think I am wrong because my biological reaction is revulsion towards them that is tough. It is what it is. I will not apologize for my revulsion. It is after all biological in nature. It is like grossing out over something slimy stuck to my shoe. Should I apologize for feeling grossed out over something slimy on my shoe? I do not think so.

I don't think any gay people care what you think. So stop thinking they do lol. This thread isnt about any of you accepting gays, its about them having equal rights, which they should.

[edit on 12-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

I would like everyone to know that not all relationships are based on sex. Neither hertosexual or homosexual. Two people usually choose to be together based on the love they feel for each other.Many homosexual couples are celibate. Some for religious reasons and others because they are just "done with it". A civil union is fine with me. Just give us the same legal rights as other couples. The right to property of a deceased partner for example. How would you like to spend a life with someone, then they die and their family comes out of the woodwork to claim property that you aquired together with your mate/life partner? What if you had no right to visit your loved one in ICU because you were't a relative.? What if you have no rights to your partners social security? Its not about the right to marry as much as... the right to rights. We just want equality. Flamers can be disturbing its true but so are pimps and prostitutes. There is weirdos in every crowd. All gay people came from straight parents. Most Gay people have straight children. How about forgetting labels and just let everyone be equal?????? As for judging.....Let God do his job. Thank you, Magantice

Originally posted by Sundancer
Hey Jaxon

I don't have a problem with gays, I don't think most people care one way or the other if the plumbers man's gay. Just as long as the toilets working, that's all we care about. There's probably only 20 percent of the population that hates gays, that's never going to change. Hell 30 percent of the population hates me because I'm blonde, skinny and I have big boobs. Who cares?! So it's not that most of us hate gays, it's that most of us hate constantly hearing about the idiots that hate gays. IMO they (gay haters) should be gassed so we can all just get on with our lives, but then they should have rights too.

This has to stop somewhere...
so i guess the 30% who you point out also hate tall skinny blonds should also be gassed ?.........................wow what a solution

maybe you should show us all how this gassing should be done as you admit that you also hate the haters GAS YOUR SELF to start with eh ?

Edit for clarity

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