Christianity is finished in the UK "Well thank god for that!"

ahhh religion! Such a... weird concept...

Well... as for me... I've met no God or Satan that could either harm me or protect me.

Like in 2 famous movie quotes:

"I dont believe in god... but I dont believe in the devil either, that way I'm never disappointed"

And...

"Evil is a point of view. God kills indiscriminately and so shall we. For no creatures under God are as we are, none so like him as ourselves. "

"I know nothing of God, or the Devil. I have never seen a vision nor learned a secret that will damn or save my soul."


When I know something you don't, I'll tell you guys, I promise... for now this is my standing.

Reply to: moocowman

Ha! You just generalized. Not all non-Christians generalize but the op is a good example, he says thank god Christianity is gone. And a lot of posts on this thread are saying things like "you xtians..."

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reply to post by Solomons

try that on a xtian without knowing some bible quotes are just around the corner waiting to be pulled out the hat!

That's one of the saddest things about christians, very few are able to think for themselves, and need a pastor or an elder to hold their hand.
Very few enter debate without having to load the gospel gun and shoot meaningless scripture at you.

Perhaps xtians would do themselves a favour and think very deeply about the fact that scripture is mostly meaningless to other people, it's a bit like Marge talking to Homer with the monkey in his mind clanking the cymbals.

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by The time lord

 

If there was meaning behind the name the Bible would have said, its no conspiracy.

Not necessarily, there were plenty of things the early church fathers didn't want you to know so made sure they didn't get into the bible canon.

And there is meaning behind the name, the name is the meaning son of god. Jesus was a common name very common.

Who shall be released ? asks Pilate the choice appears to be barabbas (the son of god) or Yeshua who claims to be the son of god.

So who was released the son of god or the son of god ?

Needless to say this would cause too many problems for you to investigate further, as what you may find could clash with what you choose to believe.

Maybe there is a mystery to all this, what if Jesus Barabbas was another version of Jesus but then again it probably was not unlike the Book of revelations.

What about the one like the Lamb in the book of Revelations for example, Jesus speaks to Jesus, he can be more than one if he wants to be it's not impossible fo him to multiply him self. One Jesus is able to open the seals the other can not. But its still the same Christianity nothing has changed.

But even so I do not believe all this hype about what the Church did not want us to know. If the Holy Spirit leads the prophets to compile and write down the evidence even if the devil was on their backs trying to cover up prophecy lets say the book of Revelations then they finally overcome that to compile the scriptures with the use of the HolySpirit that was at work with them. The HolySpirit which is also another componant of God or a force of God working through them. That is why many books or coptic books never made it into the final Bible, they did not have the spirit working through them, and the ones that did all made sense next to each other.

According to early Greek texts, Barabbas' full name was Jesus Barabbas.[1] Later texts shorten his name to just Barabbas.

Abba has been found as a personal name in a First Century burial at Giv'at ja-Mivtar, and Abba also appears as a personal name frequently in the Gemara section of the Talmud, dating from AD 200-400.[16] These findings support "Barabbas" being used to indicate the son of a person named Abba.

Abba means "father" in Aramaic, and appears both translated and untranslated in the Gospels. A translation of Bar-Abbas would be son of the father. Jesus often referred to God as "father", and Jesus' use of the Aramaic word Abba survives untranslated in Mark 14:36 (in most English translations). This has led some authors (named below) to speculate that "bar-Abbâ" could actually be a reference to Jesus himself as "son of the father". In the Gospels, Jesus does refer to himself as a "son of God", but he does not ever refer to himself as a "son of the father".[17]


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reply to post by moocowman


Damn good news to see any superstition going down the tubes. Although this is bad news for the church, Hell is reporting record growth. Inferno Inc. is also reporting the building of 50 new 'super infernos' to burn the increasing number of sinners. An official "Burning Pages" press release stated, "The 50 new super infernos will create 1.2million jobs and bring us out of recession within 10yrs". Jack Stollis a long time resident of Hell had this to say, "AHH!!!!! AHHHHHh!!!!!! -gurlg-gurgle- AHHHHH!!!!! AH!!!!!!!!!! OH GODDDDDDD!!!!!!!".

reply to post by moocowman


You might be surprised that I think for myself and never bring a bible quote to debate with non-Christians.

Well the Church of England has been dead scene it was founded.
What else is new in the world? Tom Cruse will become the Grand Hupe La of Scientology!

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by The time lord

 

18With one voice they cried out, "Away with this man! Release Barabbas to us!"

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Bar abba s, translate to "Son of god "?

Hmm, will the real Jesus Christ stand up, stand up ----

Sorry, but it does not mean son of god en.wikipedia.org... it means son of the father. It was probably a name Barabbas took upon himself so that his parents would not be found and persecuted/tortured/killed if he were to gain a reputation. Usually, you would be (your name) son of (your father's name), like Jesus bar Joseph. Then they would look for Joseph and get to Jesus through him, you might say.

Originally posted by walsbg22
reply to post by moocowman

 

You might be surprised that I think for myself and never bring a bible quote to debate with non-Christians.

I suggest that, if you are a Christian, you use Bible quotes. Jesus did, especially when dealing with Satan. Definitely use them with moocowman. The word of God is a sword that penetrates to sinew and bone, spiritually. Your words will not. Don't let someone talk you out of using the Word of God. It is your best defense against evil. Look how Jesus used it in the wilderness when counterpointing Satan. Put on righteousness, too. Don't expect to counter the forces of evil with you being unrighteous. Although God can work through the unrighteous, you are better off being righteous. Satan will call forth your personal sins to destroy you, and you will need to demonstrate that you are redeemed from those sins by the blood of Jesus Christ. Paul talks about the sword, breastplate, helmet figuratively, but spiritually they are a necessity for combating evil. You wander through an unsaved and unrepentant world. You carry the light of the gospel. Those that have ears to hear will hear you. For others, it is not yet their time. You sow seeds that someone else will later reap.

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reply to post by The time lord

That is why many books or coptic books never made it into the final Bible, they did not have the spirit working through them, and the ones that did all made sense next to each other.

Really ? they all made sense next to each other ?
Perhaps you'd care to answer these questions then.
here's 5 to start

Did the men with paul hear a voice ?

What did the soldiers give jesus to drink ?

Did jesus say "destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up"?


Did the women immediately tell the disciples ?

where did jesus tell the disciples to go after his resurrection ?

reply to post by Jim Scott

Can't figure whether to be insulted or flatterd by that lol

reply to post by contemplator

Inferno Inc. is also reporting the building of 50 new 'super infernos' to burn the increasing number of sinners. An official "Burning Pages" press release stated, "The 50 new super infernos will create 1.2million jobs and bring us out of recession within 10yrs". Jack Stollis a long time resident of Hell had this to say, "AHH!!!!! AHHHHHh!!!!!! -gurlg-gurgle- AHHHHH!!!!! AH!!!!!!!!!! OH GODDDDDDD!!!!!!!".

Absolutely priceless I just pissed myself laughing, thanks for that humour booster

Originally posted by WhatTheory
I guess you will hate Muslims next since they seem to be on the rise there and soon you will have to abide by sharia law.

You will be begging God for Christians once the Muslim extremists take over.

What exactly was it that gave you the idea that obnoxiousness, ignorance and arrogance would be the best way to make a post in this thread?

reply to post by Jim Scott

Sorry, but it does not mean son of god en.wikipedia.org... it means son of the father. It was probably a name Barabbas took upon himself so that his parents would not be found and persecuted/tortured/killed if he were to gain a reputation. Usually, you would be (your name) son of (your father's name), like Jesus bar Joseph. Then they would look for Joseph and get to Jesus through him, you might say.

Perhaps this would give credence to the "Apostle he loved the most" and Judah Bar Yeshu being one and the same person.
All things are possible I suppose.

Originally posted by walsbg22
reply to post by moocowman

 

You might be surprised that I think for myself and never bring a bible quote to debate with non-Christians.

Well that is good news indeed and I take off my hat to you for that, let the games begin lol

reply to post by XXXN3O

There is ignorance because people do not research christianity before posting.

And you know this how? Just 'cause their opinions of it? Are you God?

For your information, there are well over 50 different denominations of christianity all with different beliefs from each other about the subject and different practices.
If you can be bothered heres a list

And they're ALL on the decline my friend, that's what this thread is about, you so far have not in any way shape or form showed that that is misinformation, but I'd be happy to see you try.

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Originally posted by Haydn_17
Thats BS!! Im not religous but there are about 4 churches in my city and one every 10 miles in the countryside.

UK is Christian and always will be.

I don't think you are understanding.

The article suggests that religious trends are going down in the UK. It shows that babies being baptised is down by 70% or whatever.

Do you think the churches just disappear as faith dissapears? Faith is a cognitive construct, churches are brick and mortar.

Do you understand what I'm saying? Just because the churches are there, doesn't mean that they are full. They definitely aren't anywhere near as peopled as they were 30+ years ago.

Churches aren't going anywhere. Even if for some reason, ever person in the UK woke up and realised their faith was unjustified and turned atheist, the churches will still remain and will be used. Maybe as historical monuments, history of a belief system that lasted almost 2000 years, or they will become progressive and used for more modern uses.

I don't know why you say "UK is Christian and always will be", you claim not to be religious but you seem quite upset at the thought that the UK is a secular society (which it is, by the way and has been for some time!). For someone who claims not to be religious, you seem to be fighting quite aggressively for religion. Very strange!

I love it when Christians say this decline fulfills a prophecy, indeed it does, well then please for the love of God do not fight this decline, if anything ENCOURAGE it! Fulfill your prophecy, I'm begging you.

reply to post by Jim Scott


I use them when appropriate but the power of those words does not work on forums too well.

reply to post by DASFEX


This thread is a bit all over the place; but from your post I just wanted to make a points.

1. I am not a Christian.
2. There are many people who call themselves Christians but are not, many even have trouble even following the 10 commandments.
3. A minority of Christians give many other Christians a bad name.

A big problem for many non Christians is that some Christians take it upon themselves to spread God's word. In my experience this often involves the following.

1. Standing in the street in peoples way shouting out passages from the Bible and shoving leaflets in peoples hands.
These people want an argument if your refuse their leaflet.
2. Visiting people door to door to talk about Christianity.
In one instance I was called and evil and wicked person because I was considering joining another Bible based church.

Having complete strangers coming to you and calling you names is not very nice. No other mainstream religions are so aggressive in trying to convert people.

If Christians want to be Christians and practice their religion in the privacy of their homes or church then that's great, but please don't force your views onto everyone.
The worst thing about it is that they never promote the good things about becoming a Christian; only that you will burn in hell if you don't.

To try and understand how people feel, how would you like homosexuals to come to your door and start telling you that you should become a homosexual. If you don't you will die and suffer for eternity.
Perhaps they may even talk to you about how homosexuals view certain current events or perhaps even read you a short story about homosexuals.