Christianity is finished in the UK "Well thank god for that!"

Originally posted by On the level
Not everyone can be a muslim

no only anyone who is born into a muslim family or marries a muslim has to become a muslim.

If you recite in front of an Iman or cleric that you believe in All*h and that Mohammed is his prophet you can easily become a moslem, conversion is that easy.
It's one of the reasons it can spread like wildfire. Compared to Hindus and Sikhs where you must be born into it, stablising it in a sense.

AFAIK the vows and requirements just mean you are a 'better' or good moslem than one who doesn't take them as seriously.

reply to post by moocowman


that's twice you've responded to the same post, refer back to page 3.

what difference, exactly, does a persons beliefs make to the validity of their opinion?

reply to post by pieman


Sorry dude my internet went down when the phone rang and I forgot what I was responding to, got kind of confusing for a minute.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by moocowman
I don't hate anyone my friend

Oh, I think you do. As your sig says, you hate what Christians do, so if someone is a practicing Christians then by your own words, you hate them.

You must not have children or parents or siblings then, because a person can intensely "hate" what someone does, but not hate the person. Having family teaches you that.

My children have done things that I hate, so by your definition then I must hate my children, but you would be wrong as I intensely love my children.

My brother was an alcoholic, and I hated the things he did while under the influence, but I love him, even though he has passed now from drinking and driving. I hated that he did this, but I love him.

My Mom, who I love dearly, is always buying bibles and giving them to my children and myself, or leaves them laying around our house when she visits. I hate that she does this, but I still love her.

Hating what someone does, does not equal hating them.

I am not sure how I feel about someones religion "dying", but I do know that I would like ALL religions that push their beliefs on others, to stop it. Live your lives, enjoy your beliefs, but stop pushing it onto others. Stop telling others that if they do not believe just like you they are going to hell.

Because Christians do not KNOW that, they only BELIEVE it. Belief and knowing are two different things. Just like hating what someone does and hating someone are two different things.

I feel that everyone has their own paths to follow in this life, and each path will be for each person. My way may not be your way and vice versa, and that is the way it is supposed to be.

Harm None
Peace

reply to post by Clark Savage Jr.

At the end of the day, Christianity is simply not going away. Not in the UK, not in the US and not anywhere else.

Only time will tell dude, don't know about the US but the xtianity appears to be imploding in the UK. Although I would admit that the more fundamental xtians appear to be increasing in number, but i guess that's just a knee jerk defensive response to the increase of outspoken atheists and the paranoia surrounding islamic law in the UK.

Not to worry dude, xtian law failed in the UK and saw would sharia law if it got a foot hold, simply because so many Brits think religion is bollocks that would keep them from the pub.

I believe the reason that there is a drop is because they, as the original apostles said, do not "have the words of life." They have made it a business and forced it on people over the centuries through manipulation and guilt. Check this thread www.abovetopsecret.com... and you'll see the difference between the original and today. No wonder people leave. Today's doesn't answer the questions, and in many ways it makes no sense. Christians will always be in England, and elsewhere, for God will keep a remnant until He returns. He always has.

This appears to be a news article, but the OP chose to not reveal his source.

Also, a decline in participation doesn't mean something is on its way out. It just needs more advertising.

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reply to post by amazed

You must not have children or parents or siblings then, because a person can intensely "hate" what someone does, but not hate the person.

hey that sounds just like the queer hating fag bashing jesus yawhe god, it's not them he hates but what they do.

Nice post star for you.

Originally posted by amazed
Because Christians do not KNOW that, they only BELIEVE it. Belief and knowing are two different things.

knowing is what you believe to be true.
belief is what someone else believes is true.

if you believe, knowing and believing are exactly the same thing.

Great post OP.

The church knows it's a 'dead man walking'.

However, the church is now resorting to 'high control' cult practices to keep it's faithful.

A tour is happening in the UK, with priests going around JAILS indoctrinating and harassing vulnerable and defective people. They use RELICS as evidence of holy works etc etc. B*stards.

I can't wait for religion in every guise to bugger off.

The Para.

reply to post by Parallex

A tour is happening in the UK, with priests going around JAILS indoctrinating and harassing vulnerable and defective people. They use RELICS as evidence of holy works etc etc. B*stards.

It is interesting to note that the bulk of xtians that sign up are

A) Mentally immature such as children

B) People with emotional problems

C) People who have left another faith but are too afraid to go all the way and dump religion altogether.

D) People in desperate need such as the terminally ill or the jilted lover.

I rarely hear of a person that has no belief in a god and is not of the above type, picking up a bible reading it all, then accepting the jewish or xtian belief, there's always someone else that talks them into it.

Wow cool. You just explained 3 more Bible prophecies being fulfilled. I am Christian and the warning signs are happening like “Birth Pangs” This has great biblical significance!

3 listed below;

Redevelopment of the Roman Empire (European Community)

Godlessness In The last Days

Apostasy (Falling away from the Faith)


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reply to post by wonderworld

Wow cool. You just explained 3 more Bible prophecies being fulfilled. I am Christian and the warning signs are happening like “Birth Pangs” This has great biblical significance! 3 listed below;

Redevelopment of the Roman Empire (European Community)

Nope, I just checked my bible and so far there's no mention of the European Union, I also fail to see the connection between the roman empire and the EU.

Godlessness In The last Days

If god is the creator of all that there is/was or ever will be then it is impossible to be godless, perhaps you should clarify your definition of god. Perhaps you meant shoes or handbags maybe

Apostasy (Falling away from the Faith)

Which faith would that be then ?
Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Thor ism, Gnosticism, Jehova wtiness (ism ?) Mormonism.

Perhaps falling away is a bad description perhaps dumping a delusion is more fitting.

So when doe your crystal ball say these last days are supposed to occur then dude ?

[edit on 6-7-2009 by moocowman]

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by amazed

 

You must not have children or parents or siblings then, because a person can intensely "hate" what someone does, but not hate the person.

hey that sounds just like the queer hating fag bashing jesus yawhe god, it's not them he hates but what they do.

Nice post star for you.

Originally posted by KarlG


WHY is there ignorance? WHY is there unjustified hate? WHY is there false information? That is SO not an explanation. An explanation is when you EXPLAIN WHY.

If what he said needed any further explaining to point out the monumental hypocrisy in so many of these posts, it stands to reason why he doesn't explain the obvious to those he has no responsibility to explain what it is they willfully won't understand much less agree with.

Then we have moocowmao

"I DON'T HATE CHRISTIANS, I JUST HATE WHAT THEY DO "

What does what they do have to do with Christianity? You hate what exactly? Please make sure it has something to do with Christianity, otherwise you're just talking about hating things People do. Since what they do is the cause of your hate, are you saying they are responsible for your hating them? or are you suggesting you separate the two and condemn the "idea" they do it or believe it etc,?

If I say I think homosexual sex is a vile and disgusting repugnant act, I am talking about homosexual sex but what am I saying about the homosexual who engages in it? Should I not expect gays to find my remark inflammatory while I act all surprised they got offended by it saying I don't hate homosexuals I just hate what they do? Lets face it we know what they do and we know what Christians do and in either of the two given scenario's are not both guilty of doing something the other is hated for and not the belief system for doing it. If I say I think belief in God is so stupid in a clever but transparent tactic to excuse my disdain for Christians by suggesting I am not talking about THEM per-se, I am talking about the belief!

Just what does that say about the believer? Does it not say THEY are stupid for believing in what the person calling the belief stupid in the first place. Your signature says to me you hate me and everything you have said here I take as a personal affront but I know that doesn't concern you in the least so why do you expect anyone to care about your personal problems you and your child is having at your school? It isn't any of our business but you have made it your business to be a Christian antagonist on a forum warriors mission, not to inform anyone with any unbiased impartial opinion about religion but to vent your bitterness and anger while you Google and cherry pick any disparaging news about Christianity you can find.

What is really astonishing is that your supporters such as rapsthebat, are absolutely oblivious to the vitriolic mean spirited sarcasm you all have been guilty of while in the same vain one of you actually believes when Christianity is gone, so will all the hypocrites.

I just can't help but be baffled at how one can malign someone or something, a segment of society is about, pointing out the icons of their belief in caricatures wrapped in cookie cutter sarcastic remarks like individual digs NOT to incite their anger and increase the emotional temperature of this thread and NOT know it.

If saying Christians have an invisible friend that lives in the sky, I got to ask you, what your motivation is for saying it like that.

I have to ask you, is your "higher sensibility and superior logic and reason telling you that is a reasonable things to do?

Does it increase conflict or decrease conflict?

I think you know the answer to that last one and that answer is the one you're counting on, otherwise what the hell are you trying to prove?

I assume you have called the police to press assault charges on those evil Christians for shoving that big fat 2000 year old book down your throat or trying to anyway. I see it hasn't shut you up but I am finding your anti religious hyperbole a little hard to swallow myself.

I understand your disapproval of things being taught to your child YOU don't want taught to them, but your issue isn't with Christianity, it is with your school teaching it without your approval or in spite of it. Does the church insist on this or does the Government. I find some of this a pretty fascinating dichotomy that some here can make excuses for sharia law where that is by voluntary compliance but Christianity is not? While you allege they "sneak" it by in classes like history or geography, you say that in the same voice you want your child to be taught about things that have evidence and proof but are you saying we should take out all the geographical information about places like Jerusalem or Rhiad or is it we should not teach them about the crusades because it might raise questions about Christianity and deprive them of one of the best cookie cutter factoids so often thrown in the faces of Modern Christians while you let all the past transgressions the imperialist British empire has committed in its past go forgotten.

I read posts like this:

"My own child now faces this totally unacceptable dilemma and has been very upset by it, pray to the jesusyahweh god or be put in a corner away from classmates to feel ridicule, embarrassment and DIFFERENT!! In a school that claims to embrace diversity !!!!

I suggest it isn't unacceptable to her until it was to you and I suppose one can say their embracing diversity is in effect when YOURS IS and yours is definitely not so don't make accusations about them not trying to teach tolerance and diversity when that is exactly what gays try telling us when they teach homosexual sex ed under the guise of tolerance. So I know what you mean about dealing with a public school system that is teaching your kids something you would hate to have them learn about until they have a more mature mind and can accept the responsibility of their own decisions.

It really is not the schools business I agree but I assure you, I doubt seriously anyone here would make the connection if my sig were to say

I DON'T HATE GAYS, I just hate the things they do.

I really don't think I would be fooling anyone, least of all gays and you are not fooling anyone either. If you got a problem with religion I suggest you get a grip on it because it isn't as bad as all that and many have survived the brainwashing and water boarding into the Christian religion in spite of the torture and large doses of sodium pentothal.

Religion is an anvil that has worn out more hammers than you could ever imagine and albeit true their were times in history where Church membership has dropped drastically and some where millions were killed off to lower the numbers, church's burned in a long history of various persecutions from those trying to ridicule Christianity out of existence to those that would just as soon genocide the whole lot of them. They have seen much worse than your little article would reveal is the end of faith and religion.

ultramedia.freehostia.com...

More Bible prophecy being fulfilled. What else is new?

I know you guys love to get excited about this but the decline in Christianity is just one of almost a hundred prophecies being fulfilled in our time.

Thanks for the giving me a little faith boost today.

reply to post by AshleyD


if you're excited by that you need your head examined.

if you think christianities in decline now, you should have seen the holy wars of the middle ages.

This is what the UK and its people will be doing to Christianity in the near future or are doing, not only that but banning crosses, Bibles and taking Christianity to court it self. Muslims in Europe are doing just that while athiests don't really care and see it as a favour to rid of Christianity, but there will be a wake up call for letting it happen one day. The Bible tells it as it is, take this Bible event below as a symbolic story of how a nation will react and behave in the light of Christianity, the gates are open for the wolves now so deal with it.
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QUOTE:

13Pilate called together the chief priests, the rulers and the people, 14and said to them, "You brought me this man as one who was inciting the people to rebellion. I have examined him in your presence and have found no basis for your charges against him. 15Neither has Herod, for he sent him back to us; as you can see, he has done nothing to deserve death. 16Therefore, I will punish him and then release him."[c]

18With one voice they cried out, "Away with this man! Release Barabbas to us!" 19(Barabbas had been thrown into prison for an insurrection in the city, and for murder.)

20Wanting to release Jesus, Pilate appealed to them again. 21But they kept shouting, "Crucify him! Crucify him!"

22For the third time he spoke to them: "Why? What crime has this man committed? I have found in him no grounds for the death penalty. Therefore I will have him punished and then release him."

23But with loud shouts they insistently demanded that he be crucified, and their shouts prevailed. 24So Pilate decided to grant their demand. 25He released the man who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, the one they asked for, and surrendered Jesus to their will.

Originally posted by pieman
if you're excited by that you need your head examined.

Talk to MCM. He is the one who was so excited about it he started a thread on it.

But yes, I know. It makes me feel just a tad guilty. But it is their choice if they want to be one of the ones who decide to take part in the falling away.

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reply to post by AshleyD


What is missing about this falling away is that Jesus said first all the nations must know who he is, that includes Russia, China and Middle East countries who ban preacing and the Bible, but correct me if I am wrong. But I do have optimism where I think there will be a worldly backlash of Christianity teaching before the abomination starts, because you know the devil would not want that as the peek of powers reach a climax.

reply to post by AshleyD

So instead all we can do is respect their choices ---

Perhaps if all xtians did that a long time ago and continued to do so then we could all get along and would probably not be having this discussion.

However, this of course would screw up your prophesies wouldn't it you need disharmony in order to exists.

Whens jesus coming back by the way, as you seem rather exited about all this, another 2000 years of waiting ?

reply to post by The time lord

What is missing about this falling away is that Jesus said first all the nations must know who he is

Then the sensible approach would be to just walk right up to someone and say Hi just like he did in the old testament and the new testament days (perhaps he should try sticking with one name this time). Or perhaps there's just too many people for an omnipresent god to deal with.