The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

reply to post by jonny2410


And that's the pisser right there. I specifically took a job with a company that had offices in the UK so I could transfer and show my wife and kids where I grew up. As things are over there AND over here,I sometimes think we'd be better off living in a cave until all the craziness blew over.

Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by nenothtu

 

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. Don't mean to repeat posts but I was answering someone from page 1 .

I lived in England for years. Really liked it. My dads family is from Scotland and moved (immigrated) to Montana years ago.

I went to school there and there was much more knife violence than in American schools. Forget tv violence in the US, I saw my first stabbing when I was a kid right near Hampstead Heath.
The UK should never, could never be like the US. But they would be smart to adopt some of our "cowboy" ways.

Its your "cowboy ways" we could do without thanks very much.

I work with kids from disadvantaged homes in London, these kid's are obsessed with everything being "Gangster" if they see a nice car drive by they're all "man that car is Gangster, brat brat" Now all the kids are doing this, white kids, black kids, a lot of these kids are from refugee families, so we have Somali kids and kids from eastern Europe. it's definitely a cultural thing. they live in communities where the local drug dealer drives the nicest car and they see no other role models in their communities.

Most days when i work with these kids Im breaking up fights, left right and center. They all want to be seen as the hard man. None of these kids are bad. Some are angry, but after you hear what they've put up with in their short lives, you can understand it. They're all kids and confused with life.

These kids have so much potential in them. they have so much enthusiasm, energy and ideas. It saddens me that when they go back to their communities its back to the gangster worship.

I've seen a couple of terms here that I'm not familiar with, and would appreciate it if someone could define them for me, so I can understand what's being said.

Those terms are "chavs" and "neds".

Never thought I'd be needing another English lesson at my age.

Originally posted by nenothtuOut of curiosity, do you base your perceptions of America on mainstream media accounts? It's evident you've not been here to see first-hand.

Thanks to the internet I do not, I really only trust what the 'people' of America say, not their government or the media.

Britain is a mess because criminals and thugs have human rights and the rest of us don't.

The Police vigorously enforce this RULE!

In Leicester, a man who protected his property and children from violent thugs with a bat, was imprisoned. The thugs also threatened to rape his 7 year old daughter.

So who did the Police choose to prosecute?

Was it the thugs?

No!

Was it the man attempting to defend his property and love ones?

Of course! After all this is the UK and we only care about the human rights of BAD people!!!

This story is repeated all over the UK regularly. You only have to open any newspaper to discover the startling truth that the UK is being dismantled brick by brick.

So, the next time someone tells you how bad the UK is becoming, understand that this is being permitted and encouraged by the Police, the Judiciary, and the Government!

What little agenda do they have up their sleeves?

reply to post by woodwardjnr



Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating dusters/holstered guns and shootouts in saloons. It's not in your cultural DNA. But the PC crowd has taken over (as it's trying to do here) and that is making things worse for all.

It's easier for your MP's to pass sharia (sp) law over there than it is any type of law that would protect the families.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


You've confused "cowboy" ways with "gangsta" ways. They aren't the same thing.

A "cowboy" will live and let live, as long as he isn't attacked. But if he is, he'll unleash hell. Best way I can describe it is that they will do anything in the world they can for you. If they are attacked, however, they'll do anything in the world they can TO you.

A "gangsta" - well, I've covered their attitude previously in this thread.

Originally posted by nenothtu
I've seen a couple of terms here that I'm not familiar with, and would appreciate it if someone could define them for me, so I can understand what's being said.

Those terms are "chavs" and "neds".

Never thought I'd be needing another English lesson at my age.

Here you can do your own "Chav" test here chavstest.com...

maybe you can be an honory Yank Chav

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Thanks. I didn't qualify in ANY particulars. Bummer. Just another club that won't have me.

What's a "Ned"?

Originally posted by nenothtu
I've seen a couple of terms here that I'm not familiar with, and would appreciate it if someone could define them for me, so I can understand what's being said.

Those terms are "chavs" and "neds".

Never thought I'd be needing another English lesson at my age.

Type in chavs in google images, prepare to be disgusted hahaha

They are basically kids who wear clothes a certain way, talk a certain way, basically everything they do is stupid and repulsive haha, a lot of people in the uk hate them call them scum of the earth.

Chavs are only a certain type, compared to more normal people they are more likely to have fights or beat people up for fun, hang around and do nothing except curse at random people for fun, like my mother or your mother, but a lot of them are very weak looking and really are full of fear, thats why they hang in groups, usually when they get pregnant they may leave that way of life, but the attitude remains haha. Or more to the point they lack good social skills.

But there are many other types of gangster wannabes and more worryingly the more serious types who are more violent, stonger looking and to the point, no games, no playing around or fun, straight to the point stabbing or robbery.

All these different types can depend on what area they live in, slightly different culture in each area. From lowprofile to more extreme behaviours.

Now even with these kinds of people, I never generalise, there are always good people among the rest, in the middle of it all, simply growing up in that culture, only taking the apperance but not the way of life.


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Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

You've confused "cowboy" ways with "gangsta" ways. They aren't the same thing.

A "cowboy" will live and let live, as long as he isn't attacked. But if he is, he'll unleash hell. Best way I can describe it is that they will do anything in the world they can for you. If they are attacked, however, they'll do anything in the world they can TO you.

A "gangsta" - well, I've covered their attitude previously in this thread.

Yeah gotta love the old cowboy way, I just love the western classics, Especially all the older ones with clint eastwood!

[edit on 5-7-2009 by _Phoenix_]

reply to post by nenothtu


Chavs or Neds are the same thing.

Chav or Charver is a derogatory term applied to certain young people in the United Kingdom, in particular, England. It is equivalant of the Scottish term "Ned." Or the street term wasteman. ...

Response to the term has ranged from amusement to criticism that it is a new manifestation of classism.[4] One BBC TV documentary suggested that "chav" culture is an evolution of previous working-class youth subcultures associated with particular commercial clothing styles, such as mods, skinheads and casuals.[5] The term has been associated with juvenile delinquency, the ASBO Generation and yob culture.



Hope that clears it up or explains the names a little.

[edit on 5-7-2009 by Laurauk]

reply to post by _Phoenix_


OK. I've now added another to a long list of things and people I want to # slap.

My oldest son had a phase where he and his friends walked around with their jeans halfway down their butts.

I spent the day walking around just like them.
Next time they came over, they were actually dressed like normal human beings.

Is the economy so bad over there now that they have no other recourse? Why aren't they going to school? College?
I know we have similar problems over here, and no solution in sight. Although Obama might offer them a position in his new civilian 'army'.

reply to post by mikerussellus


OMG lol, Teenagers go through phases, let them live, My neice went around with her jeans hanging down also, Althought we tuted and criticsed her for doing so. Being the teenager she is, she took no notice of our comments at all. Typical really.

As for going to college, further educaton. The busaries or grants they recieve are not even enough to get past every month with, Oh and I know you will say thenwhy dont they get a job. There are hardly any job vacancies nowadays, ad besides you hav 500 people chasing 1 job, plus it is pay related, 16 - 18 year olds are paid way less than those over 18. Alot expect thier parents to pay for thier keep.


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reply to post by mikerussellus


LOL yeah I never catched on to that trend when growing up, not for me haha.

It's especially funny when on the rare occasion you catch one of them with his trousers fallen around his ankles lmao.

Why would someone want to own a gun?

This right wing press ranting was a Gallup Europe survey among inhabitants of the European Union about their experiences with crime and law enforcement.
We all know how polls can be manipulated to suit an agenda.

One of the problems

-warning. . . this is only my opinion, not shared with anyone with half a brain. . . warning-

One of the problems with the younger generation today is that they have not had boundries set by their parents. There is no 'moral' standard, there are no rules that they have to obey, they have been given too much freedom. Especially at an age where they are not able to handle that. This applies to UK and US both. And these 'chavs' or punks are growing up to become criminals. They are growing up to become more wards of the state. More people on the dole.
Violence is easy. It requires no thought. It is an easy way to get what you want. Instead of looking at a new car and saying, "I'm going to own one, one day if I work hard". They are saying, "Why is that #er driving that car? I want that!"
Perhaps things will have to get worse before they get better. Perhaps kids (here and there) will have to see what hard times are really like before they can really grow up.
In the mean time, I am going to be a crusty old man (just in my 40's but if you ask my eldest, I'm a dinosaur) and instill hard work, as a means to get what you want.

-rant over. . . you can now go back to your regularly scheduled program. . .-

Originally posted by merkaba93


Here we have another piece of proof that gun control does not work. The poor British who were once able to defend themselves in the face of violent crime have long now been neutered and we can see the effects. The British people should organize and reinstate their right to keep and bare arms so that they might better protect themselves. If criminals knew their prey would likely fight back with lethal force I am sure crime rates would drop dramatically.

I feel fortunate that I live in the US where my basic right of self defense is recognized and I am able to carry a gun with me every day.

I am especially reminded of this today, on July 4th, commemorating the fact that we have a country (well at least we did have a free country at one point) that exists because folks finally got fed up enough with tyranny that they shot the b@stards, and today we still have the same ability.

Gun control is evil.

What say you all? Opinions for or against in the face of this hard data?

www.dailymail.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

Belgians have no guns yet crimes are low in this country so your argument doesn't hold water, the reason why theire is so much violence in Britain goes deeper into society philosophics and society structure. Not because they don't have guns.

Originally posted by colloredbrothers


Belgians have no guns yet crimes are low in this country so your argument doesn't hold water, the reason why theire is so much violence in Britain goes deeper into society philosophics and society structure. Not because they don't have guns.

I've been to a couple of other european countries and the youths there were very nice and polite overall in comparison. Infact most countries have pretty cool youth culture, they may like the ganster rap etc, but it doesnt seem to get any deeper than that.

[edit on 5-7-2009 by _Phoenix_]

OP.... Funny how the crime rate in the UK is at a higher rate then any other European Country, South Africa & apparently the USA!!!

I wonder if these new stats have anything to do with all these Europeans & Africans moving over here makes sense to me if you think about it logically!!!!

Obviously if all the ones committing crime are moving here the crime rate will go up!!!

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