200 years to ET-Disclosure

ONE PROBLEM THERE!
Your assuming we will be traveling back and forth to there planet like traveling buddies. Not taking into account that they may not be of the same atmospher breathing planet we are from and that they may not be like us in anyway. What if there giant organism that fell and sense to comunicate? or what if the comunicate through the consciousness? I like your thread dont get me wrong but i just think if and when that day 'OFFICIALLY" comes we wont get the things we expect. great post though.
One more thing? You seem to be interested in the topic, what if there already here and we dont know it and what if there underground and we dont even know it. i think contact has happened and people who are awake know on some level that we visited. this planet is way too big to keep a 100% lock down on it from a space entry stand point and there technology would be better anyway so why would they wait for the poweres that b to notify everyone rather than show us or tell us them selves/

It's hardly about being right or wrong, or dismissing or accepting something. I, for one, certainly accept it, and don't think it particularly matters whether it's right or wrong, either in the sense of being a prediction or in the sense of being valid because it is valid. I'm just not sure if I agree with it, but it's an intriguing thing to posit, I flagged it as it's a novel take on the subject.

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Firstly can i say "great thread" and that i love the thought and reasoning you have put into this.

On a slight negative i would like to say that i dont think i can agree that the massive events you talk about, the fall of the roman empire, industrial revolution etc, can all be spoken of in one generalisation. There were many factors involved in these events coming to pass and the timescales you mention apply to a great many more worldwide events.
A much longer timescale applies to even more occurrences such as ice ages, the Egyptian age, bronze age, and all the geological eras.

I agree with the bulk of what you have written but i think it's one step too far to say a huge event such as the disclosure of the existence of alien life cannot and will not happen for a definitive period of time.

I imagine that most of you feel similar to myself in that you would very much like to see evidence in your own lifetimes but i feel this is something we probably have no control over.

If they have not contacted our governing bodies as of yet i would be surprised but if that is the case then maybe disclosure will be sooner than if they had. I base that statement purely on the assumption that there would be nothing subduing the release of information if it wasn't something governments already had an advanced knowledge of.

Originally posted by Dinamo
but one thing bothers me
when talkin about selfishness and greediness of nations on rights who fly first, who has landing base, blah,blah..
wouldn't NWO be only solution then
one world goverment who represents earth

See second post of the thread. Imo it would require an NWO, but not in the sense the CTs of ATS mean it, not a totalitarian tyranny, but a Oneness that maintains national sovereignty/diversity. Without that Oneness I dont think they even want to deal with us.

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That was a fascinating read... cheers for laying it out so well.
Although I'm not sure I agree 100%, I do recognize that you have made many valid points.

For example, coming from a fundamentalist Christian family, I know that if disclosure happened this afternoon, there are relatives of mine that would have bloody nervous breakdowns.

They would insist that the aliens were demons bent on tricking us all into believing that their religion is false.

So from that perspective at least I completely agree... too many people in the world cannot get through their lives without the crutch of religion.

And they'll perform gravity-defying leaps of twisted logic to ensure they don't have to.

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You`re the first poster here who does not see it as a shorter time-span but possibly even longer.

All the hoaxing and fantasizing is of some use too, imo. The excitement the scammed people feel contributes to their brain-circuits opening up, being able to handle disclosure...

Originally posted by CaninE.G
But after giving you all that praise, I would like to say once again I don't think it is going to take 200 years to disclose.

Maybe it will be 50 years. My OP is a rebellion against the daily onslaught of ATS posts that claim

"Disclosure by May 15th!"

"Disclosure by France within a month!"

"Disclosure next year?"

and all the hype, BS, marketing-scams and disappointments that creates

Originally posted by itsallalie
Your assuming we will be traveling back and forth to there planet like traveling buddies

Inevitably, the Human Evolutionary process will get to the stage (and we are heading there now slowly) to space exploration and colonization. The only thing stopping us is the currently limited propulsion technologies. Eventually (in about two centuries or more) we will get to the point of faster than light travel, as difficult as it is to conceive right now, we will eventually make the breakthrough.

Michio Kaku's the 'three types of civilizations' is very interesting indeed, I think you may find this useful:

Marketing scams? Really? Did that actually happen, or are you just making a point?

Originally posted by TheStev
Marketing scams? Really? Did that actually happen, or are you just making a point?

Remember "The Galactic Federation of Light" that announced full disclosure and contact to be imminent? That was, is, in my eyes, a marketing scam. Its unpopular to say that here, but thats the way I see it.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
200 years to ET-Disclosure

Thanks for this well thought-out thread about “Disclosure” Skyfloating, strrd and flggd.
I am really interested in the reactions it has raised so far and still will raise.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Im writing this because, unfortunately we learn nothing about mass-consciousness, streams of energy, introducing change-to-mass-consciousness, etc. in school. This is also for everyone demanding "Disclosure of Extraterrestrial Life" will happen soon, demanding "the secrecy to end".

There are very good reasons I think it should not, must not, will not happen anytime soon.
(But: From a broader perspective 200 years is pretty soon)

When you start digging deeper and deeper in this phenomenon and see how immense BIG, complicated and so far reaching it in reality is, only then you see all the clearer that there are indeed very very good reasons indeed it should not, must not, will not happen anytime soon.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
The people ready for Disclosure make up around 1% of the World Population. Those insisting on Disclosure even less. For the rest of the planet, Disclosure at anything other than the current snail pace would lead to psychological, social and economic breakdown.

I agree with you 100%.

Some days ago, I posted John Lear's very interesting [in my opinion] Disclosure Briefing he did in an interview on Coast to Coast with Art Bell.

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www.disclose.tv...

When reading what John said there, and he is sorely not alone in this.
Then think carefully about what it all intents, then realising that that is just the tip of the ET iceberg.
Then realising that the people who are ready for Disclosure make up around 1% of the World Population, its quite logic to suspect that to soon Disclosure would most likely lead to psychological, social and economic breakdown.


[edit on 25/6/09 by spacevisitor]

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Oh right. I never really thought GFL actively sought money. To me that's the difference between a hoax and a scam. It could've been a delusion though, to me that's different to a hoax. Just like a hoax is different to an error, which is far less serious than a delusion.

But I get your point

I never fail to get a good larf at ATS "Skyfloating" optimism of the human race lasting another 200 years We will be lucky to survive the next ten years!

I think the OP is one of the most interesting posts i have ever read on the subject of disclosure. A lot of people demand to know the 'truth' and want first contact but the state of the world today is hardly the ideal backdrop for ET's to make their presence known.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Extrapolating from this basic idea it is my humble opinion that:

* Advanced Extraterrestrial races are unlikely to be evil because evil breeds self-destruction rather than advancement.

Very true! I think in fact, many civilizations on other planets face the same ecological crossroads we do.

Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
I never fail to get a good larf at ATS "Skyfloating" optimism of the human race lasting another 200 years

We will be lucky to survive the next ten years!

I still have some faith

I thoroughly enjoyed reading your theory. It makes complete sense except for the part about trading & monetary practices. Let's remember that the only things ETs have been known to collect are flesh, organs, & reproductive material from humans & animals, water from lakes, & other natural materials. The only exception to this would be the Men in Black who decide to take odd stuff such as ashtrays. I think this goes way beyond anything we've ever imagined. Earth just might be one big farm for food & genetic material. With this in mind as well as your timeline, it would most certainly take humans this long to even wrap their head around this. I'm reminded of Porno for Pyros song We'll Make Great Pets & the Twilight Zone episode where there's a recipe for Man in a cook book.
Anyways, that's my two cents.
S&F for you! Best wishes & take care

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There's more than GFL (not naming anymore names). Today website-clicks translate to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. So you`ll see more and more of the "Disclosure by the end of July??????? OMG! OMG! WTF?WTF?????" Hysteria going around, along with specific websites to visit in order to "find out more".

[edit on 25-6-2009 by Skyfloating]

A very interesting thread with lots of great thoughts and ideas.

Speaking for myself I accepted a few years ago into my "day to day" that aliens are visiting Earth. It was quite a shift and I spent more then a few days in the begining wondering "What should I do?!". I have since come to the conclusion there is nothing -to do-. You have to go on and live your life. However that being said I could see how the revelation could cripple whole populations by putting them into a state of shock.

It will be a long time (maybe never) when Humans are ready for disclosure. However there may come a time when we reach a state of "as minimal collateral ego damage as we are going to get'. This is of course all dependant on what our stellar neighbors are thinking and if any of them have an agenda for us/Earth that Humans don't agree with (and you can bet one or more of our neighbors do) then the hand of disclosure will at sometime be forced and we will just have to deal -suck it up- and grow up fast.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Extrapolating from this basic idea it is my humble opinion that:

* Advanced Extraterrestrial races are unlikely to be evil because evil breeds self-destruction rather than advancement.

Here is how I think about it.
It would be unlikely, but I think that one of the reasons for great concern is just because it seems more and more clear that some of our visiting intelligences are rather malevolent then benevolent.
Some small examples.

www.mufon.com...

www.mufon.com...

www.mufon.com...

They all have their own agendas of which it is unknown what there true intentions are.
I think that the big luck we have is that we have some powerful benevolent ET allies.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
* Advanced ETs are likely to have a non-interference policy for the reasons stated.

Part 1: High Strangeness Files about EBENs
© 2009 by Linda Moulton Howe

“Our government's greatest concern is who walks around
on this planet looking human and is not.” - U.S. Military Source

There are examples that not all have that policy, think hereby-about abductions and cattle mutilations, sometimes even human mutilations.

Regarding human mutilations is here an example said at a UFO Conference in Las Vegas in 1989 by an ex United States Air Force man who was serving as a photographer in Vietnam.

He also was involved in a mission to investigate the mysterious crash of a B-52 bomber, and was air lifted by helicopter into the jungle where the plane had gone down.
The first surprise was to find the plane intact, and no sign of a crash landing: it was if the plane had been air lifted and placed into position.
Inside the cabin, though was a greater shock.
The four-man crew were still strapped into their seats, but all had been mutilated with the typical clean-cut wounds that we see in the animal mutilations.
After inspecting the plane and photographing both it and the occupants, the investigation team was ordered to burn the plane and the occupants.

www.crowdedskies.com...


Think hereby about the complete disappearing [taken] of so many people since decades.
Think hereby about the claims of some, that Hitler and his gang, was influenced by clearly malevolent ET’s.

www.exopolitics.org...

And who knows what they are still influencing today and have influenced in the past.