200 years to ET-Disclosure

i think you have a good point here, but unfortunatly their may be a large gap between dixclosure and us being ready for it.

the preasure for discloser is growing from mulitple groups, even other world government (the French for example). it may also be that we do not have the luxury of waiting 200years for people to prepare for an ET discloser. as it is all we can do is guess

Very thoughtful OP. As much as I prefer to think that a benevolent ET could intervene on our behalf to help us tackle the more difficult problems facing our world at this time, I suspect that you are on to something here. I think it could even be possible that we would be the aliens visiting exoplanets once humanity is capable of interstellar travel. Being on an even footing to that extent could help alleviate technological concerns anticipated by contact with alien civilizations.

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While I agree with your premise, I have to add a side note.

In todays time, people are much more adaptable than say 100- 200 years ago. Where at some point mysticism/ religion played such a massive role in society, today it does not and faith is much more of a personal private choice. Another example would be the common acceptance and teaching of science. Where before 200 years ago, science and its implications were considered hogwash.

I would say somewhere between 30-60% of people all over the world could handle a scenario where ET presence became known. Certainly there would be a small percentage (ill throw the number 15% out there)of those that would cry "end of the world" and all that hubub, but those looney tunes present themselves in todays time ,along with every generation before ours.

Like I said, I do agree with you. I dont believe there will be a government statement having anything to do with ET for a good 100-200 years. But I think that has more to do with the disguise of legitimacy more than them thinking we can not handle it...just my opinion...star and flag...good post...

Very good post!

A lot of excellent points made here. I have to agree with you, it would be great if disclosure happened I am more than ready for it I cant stand the way the world is today. However as you say change is slow and this is monumental change we are talking about so it will be extremely slow.

I wish I could be around when contact is finally made it would be fantastic, I cant even imagine how amazing it would be, who knows maybe I will be people are getting older and older it would seem.

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Extrapolating from this basic idea it is my humble opinion that:

* Advanced Extraterrestrial races are unlikely to be evil because evil breeds self-destruction rather than advancement.

I agree agian, but at what point does that destruction take place? I don't believe any advanced ETs would be without evil. Duality is too strong of a "force." I would agree that advanced culture would breed a higher understanding and therefore peace would probably be one of their major qualities. But I doubt they would be without selfishness as a whole, and hence... evil.

Hm.

well, if it's gonna happen 200 yrs from now, then I guess it's to say:

F#CK!!!!!!!!!!!


o..s and f for this thread

I disagree.

I think the topic of UFO's is much older than the 1950's.

As well, there is a "quickening" that is hard to deny. It used to take 400+ years just for a "generation change", and now we see them about every 10-20 years.

You are keeping a constant increase when it shouldn't really be constant.

We went how long from the discovery to the wheel, to the balloon flight, to airplanes to space travel? Each next discovery came at a shorter time period than the previous. Things progress at an ever increasing rate.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

The people ready for Disclosure make up around 1% of the World Population. Those insisting on Disclosure even less. For the rest of the planet, Disclosure at anything other than the current snail pace would lead to psychological, social and economic breakdown.

Unfortunately I think you are right about this. Ignorance is bliss for a lot of people and disclosure would force them to acknowledge their inferiority.

So let me get this straight. We aren't told the truth because we aren't ready. At what point will we be ready? If we are told today, the next generation will have grown up in a environment where ET presence is normal right? The population is growing everyday and the longer they keep disclose means there are more people who would potentially flip out over the information.

The world population was 2.5 billion in the 1950's. It's known there was a lot of UFO activity during this time. It would've been the best time to disclose. It bugs me that if they disclosed UFOs when the world was in a UFO craze people would accept a ET presence much better than today.

Today we are told to believe UFOs are a joke to almost 7 billion people. I just don't understand what they are waiting for.

I just don't think you give us wee humans enough credit....

Don't know where you got that 1% figure from either...

I agree on a lot of what you say, but none the less, you are leaving the "choice" up to somebody else.

Me, well, I'd much rather have a choice in the matter then be spoon fed by the PTB. Ya, the truth hurts but its better than lies.

Nice topic... No one is really ever ready to die, so what makes you think humans will be ready for E.T. disclosure in 200 years? Plus I thought the E.T.'s were already here living underground, in the oceans and right outside our atmosphere. If this is the case it seems like our governments are already working with E.T.'s and really don't want the public to know. So if that's true we may never get disclosure because our leaders are on the same team as the E.T.'s

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These points are good, but I don't think that they can be applied to this, in whole.

One reason is the information that UFOs or aliens have been present throughout history in painting and actual reports. I posted recently about a whole town that saw a flying ship in 1909 and wanted a ride in it because they thought it was the local farmer's experiment.

If radical ideas aren't introduced change will not happen on a broad enough scale to make a difference.

Take the car for example. When it was made the United States and other Industrialized nations were ready for it, but many nations weren't and still aren't today. If we had waited for some of the tribes of Africa to catch up technologically and philosophically we may still be waiting to drive our Model T.

And what about the radical idea that all people are equal. I know it is a touchy subject, but if someone hadn't taken immediate action against racial inequality we may still be drinking from separate water fountains, and thinking it is the right way to be. What would happen if we eased those principals into place?

While those are great advancements in technology and equality they pale in comparison to the implications held in the knowledge of an intelligent Universe.

The preservation and advancement of the human race, as a whole, has to be the number one priority. If it is to be taken as the top priority then sometimes a shock to the system is required to mold a reality that is slipping in a direction that dis-connects us from the real reality of the world and Universe and submerges us in a technological reality, where we are consumed by the devices of our age.

There needs to be a balance and we are not balanced at all, in my opinion, and a huge revelation like this may be what is needed to balance the population as a whole.

Also, if we go by history and the speed of advancement wouldn't 200 years in 1700 be like 10-15 years now?

I don't know, but if it is gonna be 200 years from 1950 then I am calling Michael Jackson to see how the cry-sleep chamber is working and to get the number for the freeze shop.

This is something that seems so close and I really wouldn't want to miss it, unless there are some other huge advancements for us to see. Like the T.V., electricity, air conditioning in the desert, fire, or something huge.

Surely we haven't crossed the last great frontier (on our planet). what's next? Faster than light travel, instantaneous communication, tele-portation? I would settle for any of those I guess.

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Contact would, at this stage be disempowering rather than empowering.

Though it’s not a popular or well liked stance you can’t beat it for the honesty.
100% agreed.

Great thread.

Going back for a second read...

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Sounds like your time frame is right in there with Star Trek. Another great post by you as normal, it is good to see that some members on here are not alone in their strong passion and pursuit of the truth and analysis of the enigma. Looks like you will have another 100 plus flagged topic, and well deserved my friend! While I hope your time frame is not right, it seems possible at least.

However, I will say that I think you underestimated the theoretical events that would unfold should a UFO land at Obama's place tomorrow. I do not think it will take that long. All the facts you stated were right as usual, but I think you failed to take into account the exponential increase in technology, ideology, and public paradigm, as well public willingness to accept a massive change like thus. I do not see the Catholic Church being an issue since they said last year it is "right to believe in aliens, and not to would be limiting the power of God". Humans are quick to adapt, sure it would be MASSIVE, like we have never seen before, or could literally conceive. But It would be well phased after first contact, it would take no more than one year to get the world used to aliens as they are Paris Hilton's antics. It would pass and the world would be 300000000000000 times better than it is now.

In conclusion,I personally believe the choice isn't based on if we are 'ready', it is coming when THEY see it fit. I see no better time than b/w now and 2020. Leave it in their hands, they are far more adept at this then we are my friend. I think the biggest problem is the shadow government not wanting to lose its power it gets by withholding all the advanced technology we have got from them before. But, like I said, it matters not. This is the time, I mean look around you, what better time if you were a advanced peaceful alien race than now? I promise all the petty wars would stop and we would truly rise up and become more than willing part of our rightful place in the Universal collective of intelligent species. If you believe even one of the theories of ET technology on Earth being used by the black government then any "non interference' policy is out. The time is coming, the time is now. In my very humble opinion the time will be here very soon.

Can't say I don't see the logic in your presentation. I for one can attest to my readiness for an alien presence on our planet.

You said you figured you were ready for death until the moment you faced it. You then realized you weren't. The experience of reading a headline or seeing a report of the sudden revelation of an extrasolar intelligence making their debut to the people of earth is the only way for one to know if he or she is ready. I had that experience one day this past month when i opened my browser and saw this thread on ATS.

It was an alert that aliens had landed, and it had a link to Business Week, of all places! For a few fleeting minutes, I knew how I would feel at the moment of the revelation of aliens in the MSM for all the world to see. Of course, it didn't last long, and most of me knew it was too good to be true. But I got to feel it, at least for a moment. And I was not scared, but actually felt excited and, strangely enough, relieved.

I think We are a lot closer to accepting a new Reality of Aliens than the OPost gives us credit for. But I certainly agree we have a long way to go before we can be trusted by our celestial neighbors.

Star!

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Hey Skyfloating, I have always thought you were one of the most articulate writers here on ATS. The logic and consistancy of your vision is truly amazing. Now comes the BUT....You are really talking about the "acceptance" of disclosure because disclosure is happening all the time. I am pretty sure that your percentages are unbelievably low and you shouldn't allow Hollywood to create your attitude toward aliens. Hollywood is in the business to entertain you and separate you from your money. If you believe them, your education is flawed. I am currently showing video's and photographs of aliens here on ATS, Seriously, I have enough material to do this for years. I have aliens, I don't have to wait for them to come back, I don't have to go next door to get them. Look at my avatar, that is me and my reality.

Forget everything you have seen depicting aliens, its wrong

They are more like invisible, insubstantial army ants

Highly intelligent, interconnected, volumnous, shapeshifting is their way of life

they can appear and disappear instantly, impervious to our weapons, can penetrate bodies and attach to the muscles and physically take control of them.

By compressing themselves together they can create any tool or craft they desire. Vedas put it that they spoke things into being. So did the Judeo-Christian God. I have posted the true images of the sacred clothing of Aaron the First High Priest and brother of Moses on ATS "my pictures" sorry don't mean to go on like this. These "guys" are the missing link, they put the evolve in evolution. You pick the mystery and the chances are they are the solution. There is always the chance that these aliens are fooling me and that is the thing I want you to think about. If I am being fooled, who or what are these images in my photographs? Anyway, keep up the good work. (and change your mind~)

200 years makes sense

that is about when GMs and Ford's "BIG OIL" contracts expire

you cannot have disclosure without new modes of gassless/oilless transportation becoming available.

Someone should look into the true date such contracts might expire. I think I read once online it is around 2030.

If microprocessors continue to evolve at the current rate, the internet will gain a powerful sentience long before then.

It will tell us the secrets of the universe - either directly, or how to discover them. If it tells us directly, it might also provide instructions on how to obtain proof.

I'm betting that the existence and whereabouts of extraterrestrial life forms will be one of the first secrets the global sentience will clue us in on, and it won't take it 200 years to do it. Intel is all over that #&$%, and they aren't going to stop one generation before the event horizon.

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Originally posted by jkrog08
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"...would take no more than one year to get the world used to aliens as they are Paris Hilton's antics. It would pass and the world would be 300000000000000 times better than it is now..."

Um, ok. I would love to agree with you. I believe we could get over it. And, yes, I believe there are contexts in which I believe the world could be made better by the integration of an otherworldly alien culture into our collective society, BUT I don't think we can begin to assume that it would play out like that.

Please give me some good and sound argument, based on something real and substantial, that our world would be up to and including 300 trillion times better than it is now. Twice the good, half the bad - sure. But 300 trillion?

Under this theory, aliens should be disclosed hundreds if not thousands of years ago, as people as a whole have been theorizing about beings from the stars making contact with us for longer than history can tell us.