The MASON Checkered Black & White Floor... What does it mean?

reply to post by thelonious2


Is there a thread for that? Why're you cross-posting and contaminating a thread that has nothing to do with what you and you alone want it too?

The Jesters thread is easy to find if that's your intent.

Fitz

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
The obligation you are citing is not used in New Jersey. Maybe you should post one that has that wording.

A verifiable scan'd be nice to prove he's not a Google warrior. But somehow I doubt it'll be forthcoming.

Fitz

Originally posted by thelonious2
In the meantime, the promised "light" has faded away.

Maybe your light faded, but that's not indicative of the rest of us Masons.

reply to post by IslandMason

thelonious is an ex-Mason who spreads his bitter resentment.

reply to post by FreedomEntered

Being human we will sometimes walk upon the darkened square, but we should always endeavor to stay on the enlightened square.

reply to post by FreedomEntered

And how do you know this?

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
And secondly , you only know what your told the meanings are .

This is a gross assumption.

And unless you are at the top you know sod all about the true meaning of freemasonary so, dont pretend that u do.

Uh huh.

reply to post by FreedomEntered

 

What has he exposed?

reply to post by thelonious2

 

It sounds like your Lodge didn't do its job.

reply to post by thelonious2

 

You joined those bodies and found nothing in them?

Originally posted by thelonious2
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

 

1. How can a mason be a good man if he keeps his third degree obligation? This obligation requires him to keep silent about a brother's crime under penalty of death. Whether such death is "symbolic" is completely irrelevant. He still believes in the obligation.

Again, read my lips. THERE IS NO CONFLICT. The third degree obligation does NOT require a Mason to keep silent about a brother's crime. AT ALL. It does say that he should keep a brother's secrets, except in the cases of murder, treason, and felony, but it goes on to say "and all other offenses contrary to the laws of God or man". That pretty much includes blasphemy and heresy, sodomy, drug dealing, prostitution, slave trading, money laundering, running a stop sign, and failing to scoop up your dog's poo at the park.

If you really are or ever were a Mason, you have a little black book. This is in there. You should read it sometime; it'll tell you what's really going on, moreso than 150-year-old books whose ideas are largely irrelevant.

reply to post by Fitzgibbon


I like to think of it in relation to life. One day we could move across the board of life into a day of peace, joy, bliss, and 'light'; yet, another day we move into misery, despair, fear, and "darkness".

reply to post by Fitzgibbon

Any yob can claim. You haven't any proof that you're who and what you claim. We had a hog fixer try that stunt once.

Last I did see though, I haven't seen any other Masons on here, definitively prove that they are a mason either.

Originally posted by IslandMason
It does say that he should keep a brother's secrets, except in the cases of murder, treason, and felony, but it goes on to say "and all other offenses contrary to the laws of God or man".

The obligation in my state does not include any of those words. Furthermore, in the first degree we are charged:

In the State, to be a quiet and peaceable citizen, true to government and just to your country. You are not to countenance disloyalty or rebellion, but patiently submit to legal authority, and to conform with cheerfulness to the government of the country in which you live.

You cannot exactly be 'true to your government', 'submit to legal authority' and 'conform with cheerfulness' if you are concealing crimes of anyone. I am getting tired of this guy claiming my obligations compell me to cover up for child pervs when they obviously do not. Maybe this is his interpretation but then but it sure as hell is not mine.

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
Last I did see though, I haven't seen any other Masons on here, definitively prove that they are a mason either.

Anyone who feels like coming to New Jersey can watch me walk into my lodge or if they feel generous can invite me out to their state (or country) and I can wander into a few there as well with my Masonic dues card. Short of posting my name, (which I will not do) you could then look up to see that I am a Past Master listed on my lodge's website and a member of my state's Grand Lodge. I am open to suggestions.

For what it is worth I am have met in person or spoken to via phone some of the Masons on this website and they are either really good at Masonic bull**** or they were real Masons.

Originally posted by network dude


As for your philosophical question, The brother would turn himself in or I would. And if my brothers thought that I was in the wrong, then I would leave with my head held high that I did the right thing. Everything we do is to help children, there is no way any of us should be hurting children.

Again, if you have evidence of a crime, call the authorities. You seem to have completely forsaken your obligation anyway.

I agree with you. But do you see the inconsistency? If you reported him, you would be violating your obligation. Do you disagree with me on this point? If so, why?

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by Fitzgibbon

 

Last I did see though, I haven't seen any other Masons on here, definitively prove that they are a mason either.

Well you see, the Masons here have been here answering questions and rebutting such Bravo Sierra as is emblematic in the series of posts from thelonious for some time; we didn't just parachute-in and say "I'm a Mason". AM, JN, ND & Ksig do the heavy lifting; I drop in from time to time. However, short of posting a name and contact info, what would constitute definite proof to you that the aforementioned are Masons?

Fitz

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by IslandMason
It does say that he should keep a brother's secrets, except in the cases of murder, treason, and felony, but it goes on to say "and all other offenses contrary to the laws of God or man".

The obligation in my state does not include any of those words.

It does in Ontario.
Maybe it's an AF&AM vs F&AM thing?

Fitz

Originally posted by thelonious2
I agree with you. But do you see the inconsistency? If you reported him, you would be violating your obligation. Do you disagree with me on this point? If so, why?

No he wouldn't because (as he has already pointed out) his obligation like every other Mason here directs him to report such activity. You repeatedly and without proof claiming otherwise and derailing this thread does not change that fact.

Fitz

Originally posted by dntwastetime
reply to post by Widows Son

 

So you are the eye on the pyramid? You have reached the zenith of masonry and are 100 percent sure you know it all? Lmao. If you are on this forum and are a mason then you are playing in the sandbox of masonry, guaranteed.
I never claim to be a mason like you do. Jordan Maxwell is the reference.I think he knows a little bit about what he is talking about. Anyone who claims to be a mason needs to prove that your not a little old lady in a assisted living facilty with a laptop and too much time.
A wise man once told me" No matter what we think we know we really know nothing."
Masonry is compartmentalized with over 360 degrees ,I doubt you are illuminati revealing the secrets you swore to uphold. Did you not join this site like 3 days ago???? LMAO big tyme.

Ahahahahahahahaahahahaha. Oh wait....you were serious?