The MASON Checkered Black & White Floor... What does it mean?

Our lodge actually uses the checkered floor the way its meant to be used: As a real life chess game. It can get ugly at times, the floor is usually splattered with blood and guts, but if you win the match and have some pieces (people) left its fun for the survivors.

Now most modern lodges have discontinued the practice because it decimates their membership numbers. And also there are the hyper-sensitives who moralize about it being "murder" etc. But if you ever get the chance to participate in a lodge that values tradition over legalese BS, go for it. And try not to play a pawn or you`ll get slaughtered right away.

Sorry, man, but I just shot my drink all over the place.

You owe me a Coke - and possibly a new keyboard.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus


They are disengenious, and as you claim you were a Mason, then you would know it is explained to the candidates that they are symbolic.

This simply isn't true. It was never "explained" to me that they were symbolic. Nor have I ever heard anyone else say that, outside of Masonic propaganda books. I'm not saying that I believe that all masons take them literally. But to claim that candidates are told they are only symbolic is false. you may tell your guys in your individual lodge that, but I assure you that it's not a widespread practice.

I would encourage him to turn himself in immediately and if he did not, as a human being (forget the Masons), I would turn him in.

Then I salute you. But as a mason, you are aware that by doing this, you would be violating your obligation. The junior warden would be required to file charges, and you would be found guilty and expelled.

There is no obligation in Masonry that supercedes that of the law of the state in which you reside. As a matter of fact, your are sworn to obey the law. The verbage you claim does not exist. You are absloutely fabricating this.

That is completely false. The clause in the third degree obligation reads as follows:

"I furthermore promise and swear that I will keep the secrets of a master mason, when confided to me as such, as inviolate in my breast, as they were in his before they were confided; murder and treason alone excluded, and they left to my own option."

Here the exception is made only for murder and treason. NOWHERE does a mason claim exception for the "law of the state". The only exception in the third degree is murder and treason, period.

In the Royal Arch degree, there is a similar clause, but there are no exceptions, not even for murder and treason. It is true that the blue lodge ritual varies slightly from state to state, but the royal arch work in use has been approved by the General Grand Chapter of RAM International, and is uniform.

You did not answer my question. Additionally, are you a born again Christian if your answer to my question is 'yes'?

No.

Originally posted by IslandMason
I submit then, that you either didn't pay attention, or you were never a Mason.

I submit then that thelonious2 is a reborn hog fixer. Those who've been around the forum will know precisely who I'm referring to and recognise a similar pattern of unsubstantiated claims and assertions.

This is a waste of time.....again

Fitz

Originally posted by IslandMason
I say again: show us verifiable proof. If you can't, then your whole argument is worthless.

Don't bother, IM. It won't be coming under any circumstance private or public. This sort of shenanigans have been pulled here before and likely will again.

Fitz

Originally posted by thelonious2
This simply isn't true. It was never "explained" to me that they were symbolic. Nor have I ever heard anyone else say that, outside of Masonic propaganda books.

Then my Grand Lodge's ritual cipher must be a 'Masonic propaganda' book because it is in there and black and white and I am more than willing to post a scan of it as well.

I'm not saying that I believe that all masons take them literally. But to claim that candidates are told they are only symbolic is false. you may tell your guys in your individual lodge that, but I assure you that it's not a widespread practice.

Then you would be incorrect.

Then I salute you. But as a mason, you are aware that by doing this, you would be violating your obligation. The junior warden would be required to file charges, and you would be found guilty and expelled.

You are incorrect again. I would not be violating any obligation I took as a Mason. The ritual is quite clear on obeying the law where you reside. Again, I can scan and provide proof.

That is completely false. The clause in the third degree obligation reads as follows:

"I furthermore promise and swear that I will keep the secrets of a master mason, when confided to me as such, as inviolate in my breast, as they were in his before they were confided; murder and treason alone excluded, and they left to my own option."

Here the exception is made only for murder and treason. NOWHERE does a mason claim exception for the "law of the state". The only exception in the third degree is murder and treason, period.

That is not even close to the thrid degree obligation that we use in New Jersey. Incorrect again.

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by IslandMason
I submit then, that you either didn't pay attention, or you were never a Mason.

I submit then that thelonious2 is a reborn hog fixer. Those who've been around the forum will know precisely who I'm referring to and recognise a similar pattern of unsubstantiated claims and assertions.

This is a waste of time.....again

Fitz

I don't know anything about your hog fixer, or what that even means. But if you think my claims are unsubstantiated then your grand lodge has done a wonderful job keeping you in the dark. There are masons, including a former federal judge, who serving time in federal pens right now because of it:

sandyfrost.newsvine.com...

reply to post by thelonious2


They are so indenial....

Thanks, Fitz.

I spent quite a bit of time lurking before joining, and you're right, it does appear to be a familiar pattern. And a waste of time and energy. Some people refuse to hear the actual truth (not the "truther' truth, which is actually a series of lies), probably because the actual truth, being completely devoid of real conspiracy or evilness, is far too mundane. I think I'll just sit back and watch how this one unfolds.

Originally posted by thelonious2

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus


They are disengenious, and as you claim you were a Mason, then you would know it is explained to the candidates that they are symbolic.

This simply isn't true. It was never "explained" to me that they were symbolic. Nor have I ever heard anyone else say that, outside of Masonic propaganda books.

Bravo Sierra. First Degree. If you were a Mason, you would know this.

Originally posted by thelonious2

I would encourage him to turn himself in immediately and if he did not, as a human being (forget the Masons), I would turn him in.

Then I salute you. But as a mason, you are aware that by doing this, you would be violating your obligation. The junior warden would be required to file charges, and you would be found guilty and expelled.

Again, Bravo Sierra. Third Degree. If you were a Mason, you would know this.

Originally posted by thelonious2

There is no obligation in Masonry that supercedes that of the law of the state in which you reside. As a matter of fact, your are sworn to obey the law. The verbage you claim does not exist. You are absloutely fabricating this.

That is completely false. The clause in the third degree obligation reads as follows:

"I furthermore promise and swear that I will keep the secrets of a master mason, when confided to me as such, as inviolate in my breast, as they were in his before they were confided; murder and treason alone excluded, and they left to my own option."

Here the exception is made only for murder and treason. NOWHERE does a mason claim exception for the "law of the state". The only exception in the third degree is murder and treason, period.

Again, Bravo Sierra. That you choose to edit-out does not change the fact.

Originally posted by thelonious2

You did not answer my question. Additionally, are you a born again Christian if your answer to my question is 'yes'?

No.

You a hog fixer?

Fitz

Plenty of disinfo agents on this thread

The black & white design was taken from the flag of the Knights Templar, which incidently is the highest order of the York rite.

Originally posted by thelonious2

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
I submit then that thelonious2 is a reborn hog fixer. Those who've been around the forum will know precisely who I'm referring to and recognise a similar pattern of unsubstantiated claims and assertions.

This is a waste of time.....again

Fitz

I don't know anything about your hog fixer, or what that even means. But if you think my claims are unsubstantiated then your grand lodge has done a wonderful job keeping you in the dark. There are masons, including a former federal judge, who serving time in federal pens right now because of it

Wow! A non-Mason who thinks Masons can't (or won't) Google or haven't be a member of ATS for some time or are in the throws of premature dementia or some such. Your posting pattern is straight out of the anti-Mason handbook and your style reminds me very much of an anti-Mason who posted the same 'stinging' rebukes against Masonry about this time last year and again at some time before that.

As I said, "a waste of time.....again"

Fitz

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
Plenty of disinfo agents on this thread

Why is it that people who tell lies are accepted here, but those who seek to correct those lies are "disinfo agents"?

You can scream anti-Masonic lies from the highest mountain, over and over until the end of time if you want - it STILL won't make them true.

Originally posted by thelonious2
Nor have I ever heard anyone else say that, outside of Masonic propaganda books.

Straight from my 'Masonic propaganda book' (A.K.A. my state's ritual cipher):



Notice the second full paragraph on the lefthand page? Thought so.

You need me to post more scans to back up the rest of what I say? Maybe you can do the same.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by thelonious2
Nor have I ever heard anyone else say that, outside of Masonic propaganda books.

Straight from my 'Masonic propaganda book' (A.K.A. my state's ritual cipher):

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Notice the second full paragraph on the lefthand page? Thought so.

You need me to post more scans to back up the rest of what I say? Maybe you can do the same.

This is what it says in my book too, and is what was told to me at my initiation. Augustus and I are in different countries, so this isn't an isolated thing.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

If that is in your GL's ritual, then I will concede. However, that is not found in the cipher of constitution of the GL of Georgia, where I received my degrees. Nor is it found in those of the other states whose works I have in my possession.

But my posting on this thread has nothing to do with the penalties, symbolic or otherwise. I've always considered them childish and silly, and continue to hold that belief. What is NOT childish and silly is the attempted coverup of child prostitution and human trafficking by masons in the Royal Order of Jesters, and their accomplices in the grand lodges.

And I will state again: all Master Masons are bound by their obligations to keep silent on a brother's crimes, providing only that the brother told him on the square, with only murder and treason excluded. Those who are masons here know this know this to be true, even if they won't admit it publicly. This makes being a good mason inconsistent with being a good man.

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon


Wow! A non-Mason who thinks Masons can't (or won't) Google or haven't be a member of ATS for some time or are in the throws of premature dementia or some such. Your posting pattern is straight out of the anti-Mason handbook and your style reminds me very much of an anti-Mason who posted the same 'stinging' rebukes against Masonry about this time last year and again at some time before that.

As I said, "a waste of time.....again"

Fitz

If I have been incorrect about something, I will gladly admit it. I admitted to AM that I was wrong about his jurisdiction's handling of the penalties (although in my state, the penalties are not said to be symbolical; nor are they in the surrounding southern states).

So please, do share: where have I been led astray? Are master masons not obligated to keep their brothers' secrets, murder and treason alone excepted? Are there not a gang of masons in federal pen, having been convicted of child prostitution and human trafficking? Was this not done at masonic events?

Am I missing something?

Originally posted by thelonious2
But my posting on this thread has nothing to do with the penalties, symbolic or otherwise. I've always considered them childish and silly, and continue to hold that belief.

And you wonder why nobody buys that you're a Mason?

Originally posted by thelonious2
What is NOT childish and silly is the attempted coverup of child prostitution and human trafficking by masons in the Royal Order of Jesters, and their accomplices in the grand lodges.

And around and around and around we go....

There's a thread for that, you know? Maybe it'd make for a nice change if you allowed this thread to stay on-topic instead of trying to veer it all over the map like a drunken sailor.

Originally posted by thelonious2
And I will state again: all Master Masons are bound by..........

Blah blah blah blah BLAH! A Mason from New Jersey posted his Masonic cipher proving you wrong. Island Mason said that matched his Grand Lodge's. I'm telling you that the GL of Ontario says nothing like what you claim. So somehow all the disparate Masons here are in cahoots and lying and you're the only truthful 'mason' here. Or more likely you're an anti-Mason with a chip on his shoulder for whom repeating Googled lies is somehow a path to truth.

Like I said.....waste of time.

Fitz

Originally posted by thelonious2
If that is in your GL's ritual, then I will concede.

It is.

And I will state again: all Master Masons are bound by their obligations to keep silent on a brother's crimes, providing only that the brother told him on the square, with only murder and treason excluded. Those who are masons here know this know this to be true, even if they won't admit it publicly. This makes being a good mason inconsistent with being a good man.

The obligation you are citing is not used in New Jersey. Maybe you should post one that has that wording.