Nasa prepares to bomb the moon

reply to post by debunky

Also: it si F=m*v, not F=m*a. If I accelerate with my car from 100 meter away and hit you with 50 mp/h you are just as hurt as if i hit you with 50 mp/h starting 1000 m away from you.

Force is m*a. You are confusing it with momentum, which is m*v.

Edit: An object moving with a constant speed has zero acceleration. (Technically it has whatever acceleration counteracts drag and gravity.)

Your vehicle travelling 50 mph will have the same momentum either way, and will cause the same force either way, the acceleration refers to the thing you hit. It will be 'accelerated' according to it's own mass, and the energy you tranfer to it on impact. In your example we know the mometum your car is carrying, and we know my mass, so we can find the acceleration you will give me.

Kinetic weapons are pretty wild. Think of an AK47 bullet. It has about 10% of the mass of a 12 guage slug, but it causes much more damage because of its velocity! (A surprise to me at the gun range, Shotgun=broken watermelon, AK=disintegrated pink cloud!!!)



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Notice in the promotional video from NASA that the moon, is in fact, in colour - suggesting that those who said NASA has depicted the moon as "dull and grey" are now proven right.

You can clearly see green and blue patches on the surface of the moon.

i wonder what those whom are already on the moon think about this?
i wouldn't want to p[ss them off too hard.

Judging by all the 'know it alls' on here, there is no need to even bother with the experiment!

Such an imprecise method is a waste of time, and the results can be interpreted to suit any agenda.

If the moon is constantly being bombarded with 'stuff', then whatever is analysed need not be from the moon!

If aliens decided to bomb Earth and hit mcdonalds, and got a a burger in their analysis, should they deduct that Earth is partly made of burgers?

Anyway, I don't care. I've just bought loads of acres on the moon, and if they hit one of my bits, i'll sue their ass.

Originally posted by susan 1963
its their moon and they can mine if they want to
apparently

Yes they can...

On the mining-thing. I can only state that in the broadest of senses mining operations have taken place on the lunar surface and are presently being conducted on Mars. Although the use of terminology, 'mining' has been downplayed (by NASA) and there exists an 'internal memo', iin NASA that 'recommends' non-reference to the terms, 'mining, micro-mining'> ...

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Use of terminology, e.g., 'mining', could be considered (by some countries) to constitute a violation of the International Space Treaty. Thus, NASA is real-careful about use of terminology that could be considered a breach of 'Policy and Protocol'. I can give you this stuff as it's 'public information'. You have to look between the spaces/lines for more info and draw your own conclusions.

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Originally posted by sinthia
Anyway, I don't care. I've just bought loads of acres on the moon, and if they hit one of my bits, i'll sue their ass.

And how are you planning to protect those acres? And you might want to check your deed, because the World Justice Court at the Hague ruled over 30 years ago that NO ONE can own the moon.

Property is held by actual occupation. So if the Chinese land and claim your acres, what are you going to do about it?

You bought a pretty piece of paper... it has no legal status

Since they have the money, they can also do whatever they like. But, remember the Matrix? A big truth came from the lips of Agent Smith:

"I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren’t actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply, and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? –A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we... are the cure."

Finction? No, plain truth. It's in our heads to want even "more" than we have. After all, we solved all the problems that we have in this planet, right?

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by debunky

 

Also: it si F=m*v, not F=m*a. If I accelerate with my car from 100 meter away and hit you with 50 mp/h you are just as hurt as if i hit you with 50 mp/h starting 1000 m away from you.

Force is m*a. You are confusing it with momentum, which is m*v.
Edit: An object moving with a constant speed has zero acceleration. (Technically it has whatever acceleration counteracts drag and gravity.)
Your vehicle travelling 50 mph will have the same momentum either way, and will cause the same force either way, the acceleration refers to the thing you hit. It will be 'accelerated' according to it's own mass, and the energy you tranfer to it on impact. In your example we know the mometum your car is carrying, and we know my mass, so we can find the acceleration you will give me.
Kinetic weapons are pretty wild. Think of an AK47 bullet. It has about 10% of the mass of a 12 guage slug, but it causes much more damage because of its velocity! (A surprise to me at the gun range, Shotgun=broken watermelon, AK=disintegrated pink cloud!!!)
[edit on 19-6-2009 by getreadyalready]

I won't say those formulas are incorrect, but what I will say is that if you want a quick and dirty estimate of the energy released, the formula you really want is that for kinetic energy, which is 1/2 x mass x velocity^2. That's why people are talking about "kinetic weapons". When the velocity goes from whatever it is to zero upon impact, all that kinetic energy has to go somewhere, some is converted to heat, some is used to excavate the impact crater, etc.

Kinetic energy weapons might be a valid topic in another thread, but i think this test is pretty much pure science and not weapons research, why research weapons performance on the moon when a. there's no enemies to destroy there and b. the lack of atmosphere, different gravity, soil composition etc makes the test not too helpful on earth compared to just doing the more logical thing, doing the weapons research on earth targets. Please THINK about what you are saying.

Originally posted by Truth4hire
This is just swell...

It wasn´t enough we were told to stay the hell away from the Moon.

Noooo. We now have to send a missile into the surface to collect samples.

A year ago I would have thought this was a totally unfounded statement, but I since found this:

A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium.
Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11? Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility - the fact is, we were warned off! There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city. Professor: How do you mean "warned off"? Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station.

from this site: www.geocities.com... (about halfway down the page)

Does anyone think that Neil Armstrong could have really said that, or is that total BS?

If that is true and we really were being warned off (can I say I'm skeptical about that?) and we dig a crater in the wrong place then yep we could be starting something, but as I said, I'm skeptical about that whole "we were warned off" piece, though if it's really true I'd like to know it.

Originally posted by Raider of Truth
reply to post by 0010110011101

 

if there are aliens up there the dumb yanks just sparked a galactic incident!

Dumb yanks? That's ignorant and hateful. The Japanese also crashed things into the moon too so why don't you call them dumb as well and while you're at it you can add a derogatory slur for them too.

Originally posted by Alien Mind
You know i was thinkin, If there is a "Alien Moon Base" up there and we go bomb it, wouldn't that make the aliens want to attack us?

Alien Mind

Yes it would. In a way, you could almost say that it would serve the bombers just right. On the other hand, the senders of the explosives, would probably then turn it all around and blame the ET's as being the "Invaders" and the evil ones for getting upset when their base is nuked.

Originally posted by zorgon

You bought a pretty piece of paper... it has no legal status

How do you know whether the paper is pretty or not? You have no science to base that on. Your scientifics offend me.

If they puncture a hole in the Moon, its inner atmosphere will leak and it will fly away like a decompressing balloon.

If it is hollow, then what's inside? Nuttn?

Originally posted by BaronVonGodzilla
How do you know whether the paper is pretty or not? You have no science to base that on. Your scientifics offend me.

Because I have one

www.lunarproperties.com...

I wanted to buy Aristarchus Crater but they didn't offer that

But they have a nice 50 hectacres in the Lake of Dreams going at 50% off

Lake of Dreams - 50 Hectare Package Get 50 hectares of Lake of Dreams for a 50% discount!BUY PACKAGE for just $749.50!

What a deal

But you will have to get with NASA or the Russians to make arrangements to view it... and since going rates to LEO and the ISS from Russia are running at $20 Million a pop, it may be a while






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I have no doubt NASA knows that Moon bell tolls.

There is lots of life within that ORB and as I see it that life knows everything we are doing and if it were in any way to do them harm they will make sure it doesn't happen.

All I can say is I am so glad that those beings even with knowing humans are a hostile race also know that there are more good human beings on this Planet, thank goodness for us I say.

I don't believe we (the human race) has a right to do the things we are doing on other Planets and Moons when it comes to dropping things.

As they say, whatever is to be, will be.

NASA has done somthing like this before! realy no big deal..

"On July 4, 2005, the Deep Impact spacecraft arrives at Comet Tempel 1 to impact it with a 370-kg (~820-lbs) mass. On impact, the crater produced is expected to range in size from that of a house to that of a football stadium, and two to fourteen stories deep. Ice and dust debris is ejected from the crater revealing fresh material beneath. Sunlight reflecting off the ejected material provides a dramatic brightening that fades slowly as the debris dissipates into space or falls back onto the comet. Images from cameras and a spectrometer are sent to Earth covering the approach, the impact and its aftermath. The effects of the collision with the comet will also be observable from certain locations on Earth and in some cases with smaller telescopes. The data is analyzed and combined with that of other NASA and international comet missions. Results from these missions will lead to a better understanding of both the solar system's formation and implications of comets colliding with Earth.".

I heard something on TV last night that I think we've all been over looking about this project.

They're going to be taking pictures of the original moon landing site!!!!

So this should certainly add fuel to the "Moon Hoax" argument on both sides. Ah NASA, the harder you try, the more we argue.

Originally posted by spikedmilk
going out on a limb here, i dont normally discuss my dreams with anyone other than my wife. but this seems too coincidental...

About 2 weeks ago I had a dream the moon exploded. Maybe not so much exploded but the left side (our left) was blown off.

I've had a reoccurring dream for several years similar to the one described. Freaky hopefully not prophetic.

i thougth it was a delicate system of spinning bodies that had settled their rotation around each other for the past billions of years ,

and that i do recall that when the first man made lunar touch down was done, the moon it resonated for hours , litteraly shaking from the strain it was put under by the lunar lander.

what would a bomb then do one might ask,

then again who knows how many rockets/missiles they´ve fired at the moon just for the kick´s , probbobly have a stationary satelite on the farside to observe the area where they cuncoc the tests,

but what i do find funnie in it all is that they behave almost as a little child who dosent grasp the whole idea and then sets of to destroy that wich cannot be understood, wich would be very "freudian slip" for not acturly gone to the moon.

Non Adult Secretive Assembly

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...when the first man made lunar touch down was done, the moon it resonated for hours , litteraly shaking from the strain it was put under by the lunar lander.

Oh, really?!?!

Well, I'm 'literally' shaking with laughter, at that one!

Again, it's not really a bomb in the sense we are thinking. At the end of the mission part of the equipment will crash into the Lunar surface and the resultant ejecta will be tested for signs of water.