Detoxification, Amazing Results

Originally posted by N3krostatic
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984

 

Thank you for your concern. I really do appreciate it. My main issue is I just feel my body does not need any more rest. However I will read some more on this issue and think I might try your approach if I can actually gain faster, just to see.

Np at all. I've seen so many people do it wrong that i try and help whenever i can. If you are in an over trained state (possible) then it may take a full month of rest! Remember that even top strongmen do their training in cycles. However just try the week, one week with absolutely, positively no strength training, that includes press ups or dips or any other resistance exercise. Crunches are still fine as is cardio work. Then hit the gym, use the same weights, reps and sets and i'm willing to bet you'll do your usual routine and find it easier.

Although one week might not be enough rest but we'll see. Remember during the rest week to keep eating right and loading up on the protein.

This will be my last post about it here because it's off topic, sorry about that just wanted to help someone out.

If you have any questions U2U me

reply to post by mopusvindictus


If you want to complete your process of cleansing, don't forget about parasites and heavy metals. Your lower digestive track is also important to cleanse.

The best thing anyone can use is Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth.

I have tried many other things and natural remedies but none of them worked. Diatomaceous Earth works. You can dilute it in juice or your favorite drink. I eat it straight and have about three table spoons per day. I have been using it for about 6 months and can tell you I have seen and felt the results. You can get a big bag of it online or you might be able to get it at a local feed store due to the fact that many people feed it to their livestock to rid them of parasites. I bought a 50lb bag for $26.00 and that will last me quite a while.

Just remember to make sure it is "Food Grade", the other one is strictly used as a pesticide and not good for you.

It works!

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

Interesting that you would say that.

I actually have the basics of a plan in my head at this time for the purchase of some acreage and something that not far removed, including not just health aspects but working digital while not living in the city and natural power etc, etc

I am fortunate to be moving shortly to a place that is quite close to a small town where there is a University and a very upwards thinking culture, but my place itself is alongside a few million acres of woods give or take a few million

creation of a community around me would be a nice thing as my resources allow

>> I was thinking about this a bit. It's kind of in line with a lot of different "business" ideas I've had, some about patents, going green, and marketing.

First, let's give what we are talking about a name; Smart Community. It's putting extended family in the home or close so we don't need strangers, day care, and alienation at high fees. It's sharing resources, not only so that we save money, don't ruin the environment with too much STUFF, and save time acquiring these things -- it's also because community really doesn't start until we need each other. A Smart Community is saving resources. It's establishing healthy patterns.

And I would add that for me, it would be more spiritual while TRYING to ignore religion. A lot of church goers might see that as anti-religious. But I respect a lot of good Christians; they just don't wear it on their sleeve, they set examples and apply their ides to themselves MORE THAN others. I think we know the type who have high standards for others and complain all day about Brittany Spears. I don't think she'd make nearly the same money if all the kids of parents who decry Brittany were ignoring her.


>> OK. I recognize I have to put my pet peeves aside. When you have a tighter community that might be bicycling together -- that means you lose some privacy and you have to put up with differences.

A Smart Community, would also be using its buying power, and would be organized around completing a check-list of abilities. Smart Communities are going to share talents of it's members. Part of that buying power is identifying common needs like food. Maybe it's only 50% of what everyone needs -- but that means someone shopped well and got healthy food. One person is going to be better at understanding health -- maybe another is at shopping.

A Smart Community is going to trade ideas with other communities to figure out better ways to solve problems.

What STOPS people from building a "smart community?"

>> WE can't all pick up and move. Some of us have jobs. We don't want to be intrusive. We all have dreams but commitment -- well, that's a dirty word. Time. Money. Social Inertia. All the things that lead us to bad habits in the first place.

I'd love it if my own community could become "Smart" -- but how do we do this?

The best way I've found to influence people is with getting them to "buy into" a concept. Religions, network marketing, the military -- they all have some really powerful and useful techniques that move people. They just don't always move them in the right direction -- but why can't we use these techniques for the right reasons, eh?

1) Call to a higher purpose. Who want's to go out of their way for something that isn't visionary? Living healthier, having people look out for you, saving money and the earth, raising your kids better and then empowering people to make other people's lives better.
2) Don't proselytize but witness. The single most powerful thing that churches do isn't the sermon. It's the bible study meetings. Having an audience for you to share your experience, or to hear someone else tell theirs makes people feel involved. What are we doing right now?
3) Repetition. Schedule meetings and get-to-gethers and ask people when they can attend the next one -- followup.
4) Promotion. Recognize people who have made some improvements in a community. Revisit other Smart Communities and do this again and again. Kids need local heroes and who better than mom or dad who just found a way for everyone to make a cistern for their water runoff?
5) Commitment and Reward. Some template has to be created for a Smart Community and known tasks and resources need to be discovered. Future needs and how to value efforts/resources given. People who receive benefits need to give back. We don't want charity but "can you help" is powerful. Everybody needs to help more than be helped. So when people are helped -- it should feel earned. It is destructive to just receive as well as just give.
6) Branding and Standards. The Smart Community would need a brand, certification, and even people certified as "trainers." A community can raise the value of their homes by putting out our Seal of Approval -- and can lose it for not meeting standards. Not making sure that communities meet the standards would mean that the label didn't mean anything overtime.
I would think that this would be a "buy in" and incremental.

You and I might have the "Smart Community" sticker on the post of the mail box (for instance). And people would ask us; "What's that?' It can't seem like a cult, but if you said in one sentence; "It's a way of getting everyone to share resources and help make everyone healthier and save money at the same time."

>> I've been thinking about the various aspects of this as I raise my kids and wonder if I'm ever going to do something they will feel proud of. As I get fatter, more tired, and older, it feels like the answer is; "You can't change anything."

The truth for me might be recognizing I can't do it alone. I'm a great thinker, but not a great implementer. I lose track of time.

We can all go on diets, shave a few pounds and get buff on our own. Brag about our discipline. But what about the people who didn't know what we know? Isn't it better to say; "I made a difference?"

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

Originally posted by nikiano
I've often thought of (and tried) radically altering my diet, like you have, but I've never made it more than a week myself, but I'm to the point where I've decided if I don't do something now, my body will never get back to the way it's supposed to look.

Please take my advice on this one. As i stated earlier in the thread it is very hard to go ful on with a change in diet and lifestyle. That is why i congratulated the OP on sticking with it. You have tried and failed that strategy so do it in mini steps.

Try for a start cutting out any extra junk you eat. Any fizzy drinks (including diet ones) need to be gone from your diet. Chocolate as well along with any other sweets. Don't add sugar or sweetener to tea or coffe. eReplace them with healthy options like fruit or carrot sticks and things like that. It will be tough at first but it's a small step.

After you are ok with that, say two weeks, try and start eatinga healthy breakfast as well. Cereals are always good for this. By cereals i mean the cereal family of crops not flakes of wheat roasted in honey and dipped in chocolate!

Do it in small steps like that and 6 months down the line you'll wonder how you achieved it and be very proud, as you should be

>> Good advice.

I took some chocolate today and I'm drinking a diet Dr. Pepper. I know -- I know.

The point that needs to be made, is so often we try to change with "substitutes." Like artificial sweeteners for real ones -- or low cal, or low fat.

Tomorrow I'm going to drink my coffee without sweetener. THE BRAIN is what is driving our cravings. If we start the day with the TASTE of something sweet -- we will pursue it.

Cutting out one or two things is good. Just drinking water in place of all other drinks -- simple. Any lasting change needs to be simple, easy, and incremental. Very few of us can support some rigorous, complicated and painful process. That's why people lapse all the time. You have to change your LIFESTYLE. That's why I think a community focus on this would be very helpful for most people -- rather than trying to make everyone not healthy feel like a fool.

But the other problems are cravings.

So "sugar busting" is important for some people. Eating more fat can help.

The Ops comments to another person here who is "skinny fat" about reversing the days meals -- that was important.

Carbs in the morning are fine but not at night. However for people who are Carb addicted --- try eating something rich like eggs and avocado for breakfast. It will be satisfying without making you go bonkers for sugar.

Likely, it's that you have overgrown YEAST. There is a disease called Candida Albicans (which my mother once had). A type of Yeast infection. What most people don't realize, is that Yeast is also a healthy part of our bodies function. However, yeast craves beer, sugar, carbs. Part of our addiction and bloating and then subsequent energy drain is the Yeast grabbing all these carbs. Yeast cells are constantly dying as well -- which your body must rid itself of. So you lose energy feeding it, and lose it again getting rid of it. Candida is when your body has an immune reaction to the dying yeast.

There is a REAL reason for Detox, and people don't understand that the body is an ecosystem for both good and bad bacteria, parasites and a a whole host of other things. Detoxing isn't just having some lemon juice or bran fiber or taking some anti-oxidant. What you are doing if you correctly fast, detox, and then take certain herbs is cleaning out the garden, weeding, and then fertilizing.

If you Detox fully, you should be able to add a new food every three days. You don't need to go back to bad habits because you will have removed cravings, which are sometimes the result of parasites and other things. A lot of immune problems and allergies are also either due to old stores of toxic reactions to those food items, or the bodies immune response to something that lives off that food item.

You need to understand that for the most part, our digestive system is more of a garden with a communal organism dependent upon it. YOU are mostly a brain and the biggest consumer of those resources -- but you do it in conjunction with symbiotic organisms. Promote the good ones and starve the bad ones.

>> I know all this, but I have been eating the junk for a while. I'm human.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by bringthelight

 

water

So I guess that including Coke in any healthy diet is out of the question right?

[edit on 17-6-2009 by spacebot]

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

LOL no one said no sex...

Just not masturbation

SEX is great for you!


eh gads... i'm not joining a monestary

and for the record... any woman can handle allot more than 2x a day if she was so inclined

>> NO when I said twice a day -- it was, you know, without anyone else.

My wife cannot keep up with me, and I can't make her feel bad with too much pressure.

When we do it, it's really nice, and well, she has about 5, um explosions, on average.

>> I'd want a little more support for your theory about the "m-word" before I believe it. Really, this advice comes from Boxers, who are trying to get agitated and beat someone up. Not really an every day kind of path, right?

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hi, i read your whole thread and it is great, i have been on a path to living more healthy for quite a while now.

i wanted to ask you how you feel about taking vitamins? i read in one of your posts liquid vitamins are better...good to know when i re-order.

the current supplements i take daily are:

vit b complex
omega 3's
vit c
zing, magnesium, calcium,
coQ enzyme
garlic
vit E

I also started using powdered greens on a daily basis, u mix it with water.

I try to drink a good amount of water a day.

Ive tried quitting diet soda so many times but im still stuck on that.

also stuck on coffee, for a while i was completely switched to just water and tea but cant seem to get back to it.

I am slowly switching to paraben free cosmetics, and just switched to aluminum free deodorant,

im also going to be switching to soaps and shampoos that do not contain sodium laureth sulfate.

I try to meditate daily, i use mantra and japamala beads, i guess if i could consider myself any religion it would be Buddhist, i really relate to the Buddhist philosophy

I try to have an apple and orange everyday, im right on target with the apples but sometimes forget about the orange.

for snacks i have a yogurt or cottage cheese.

Id like to have oatmeal for breakfast but usually i am running late for work and eat a frozen breakfast sandwich.

Lunch is usually tuna salad.

Dinner is tough to its usually a frozen dinner.

Ive never been big on carbs or sweets so there's not much of an issue there.

one problem im having is Ive been diagnosed bi-polar by 2 diff docs. i recently went off the meds for a 2nd time cause i cant stand the thought of that poison going into my body, but im starting to feel crappy again and considering going back on meds. The only thing im currently on is anti-anxiety medication which i take on a daily basis.

I dont keep any alcohol or recreational drugs in the house. I go out dancing no more than once a month and indulge in some alcohol or maybe something else but really haven't messed with anything in a few months.

My goal is to go completely organic when my budget frees up a bit, i also have some small goals prob every 2 weeks when i do my grocery shopping i am going to grab something healthy, like soon i want to add a water filter to my faucet.

Your thread has really inspired me to get more back on track with things. I think once again i am going to start limiting my diet soda and also start to eliminate coffee and go back to green tea.

Next time i go shopping im going to get some Odwalla.

Im not big on red meat....i wanted to ask about Bisson burger, can you buy that at a regular grocery store???

Ive heard about staying away from plastic, I'm going to have to make a more conscious effort on this as well.

well your post is amazing and any advice you have for me or any books you can recommend would be great! thanks so much-

Sky

Originally posted by Dorfdad
I wish someone would start a thread for those of us wanting to get into this but not JUMP headfirst into not eating..

I would like to slowly get to this point, but do not know where to begin or how to start. I can not simply stop eating and drink a juice I have low blood sugar and when I don't eat often I get dizzy.

I want to get off the crap diet and lose some wait im 210 now but I should be about 175 (im 38) and stating to feel old though im not! My focus is gone as well

Can someone please start a new thread or get in touch with me on how to safely start getting on a detox diet?

Hi Dorfdad,
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Sample Diet-
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When the SHTF, then you can be Prepared by lessening the amount of highly processed foods & COOKED Foods that are also dangerous (think of how our early ancestors ate--They NEVER Cooked food!) By eating only what nature intending for us to Digest like SASHUMI (Raw Fish), NUTS, FRUITSwe might have a better chance of SURVIVAL.

Freezing & Cooking foods adds certain toxins into our diet which we were never suppose to digest in the first place. I like this diet, because I can still eat as much fruit as I want (as far as my Energy decreases) & then STABILIZE it with raw *NUTS* (this is Key) because nuts are a NATURAL FAT which many of us do not include like we should.

HTH!

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by N3krostatic

 

Then you're basically going against everything that every strongman has ever done in training. The only thing i can think is that you are not lifting enough weight. You see if you broke up your workout to only say 3 times a week, you will find you will lift more weight. Do me a favour, rest a week, a full week of no weights. Then go into the gym and see if you can actually lift more weight. I am willing to bet you'll do your usual sets with ease.

Just an idea and maybe if you try it out and lift more you'll see what i mean about over training.

Edit because this was so full of types i was completely ashamed of it lol

[edit on 17-6-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]

>> I have to agree with you.

The Op seems to have gathered some wisdom and found some things that work for HIM. Yes, overdoing body building tears down muscles.

But weight lifting builds bone. It's a great cardio workout.

Overdoing the protein is probably a huge strain on the body however -- so the normal "tough guy" regimen seems like it would shorten someone's life if kept up too long.

I don't see a problem with training different muscle groups and pushing yourself overall.



>> The other thing to think about is you have 3 different types of muscle; Strength, reflex (speed), and support. Yoga and balance exercises don't need to be that tough, but they can also really make you sweet when you are trying to hold a pose and balance. These structural muscles need to be FIRST -- because they are laying the groundwork for everything else. Your body needs to be reminded of how it is built.

Boxing and martial arts are great for those quick muscles. Running and swimming too.

Weight training helps you a lot by pushing your bones -- it's hard to replace that with just Yoga.

So if you really want to push past "normal" you are going to do all three.

One other thing I notice from long hours of hard labor are the "stay and hold" strengths. Yes your structural muscles get a work out with the Yoga, or "Core training" workouts. But when you carry a bucket of water for a mile, or push a wheel barrow -- well, your hands and back are holding something for a long time.

I certainly don't know what hidden benefits there are to "hard work." But I think we can't forget that 4th category. From all the hard work I did as a kid, I can still get on a weight device at the gym and move 500 lbs with my back. I might be weak other places -- but my back is mutant strong. Was I core training in my youth? I don't know. I don't really have any back problems now to speak of, even without a constant workout regimen. So the back-breaking labor didn't do damage.

But none of our modern workouts, deals with what we call "back breaking work." Most people did it their whole lives without chiropractors and it seems that humans have been doing it for thousands of years. Maybe a little of both isn't bad?

Pick up a rock and move it, over and over again. I never had back problems when I did that.

Maybe it had something to do with people only living until 30 years old.

Anyway. If you look at the natural state of humanity, there were lots of periods of fasting. There were lots of times when people had to push themselves and hike for miles without end or do labor from sun up to sun down. So ideally, we shouldn't try to kill ourselves with exercise -- but humans were also designed to be pushed. So we shouldn't fast to extremes, or work out until broken -- but occasionally pushing beyond our limits is both character and health building.

You can quote me on that.

Yay! Thank you so much for sharing this. This is great information.

I was reading some things on ATS earlier, and was feeling, so dark, and creepy, so I decided to trash that and read something wholesome, so I went to your friend adrenochrome's thread about his fasting, and he had a link to here.

Glad I came. I feel uplifted and encouraged, the way I like to feel!

I'm all psyched up to go somewhere tomorrow and sweat!

I want to sweat like a racehorse and then drinks lots of good clean water!

I have done detoxification in the past by fasting. I should do one soon too. I started reading about the health benefits of fasting. I read both sides of the story, from doctors saying this is bad for your health, to people who have fasted, and written books about it.

I started fasting for two days at first, then went back to a regular healthy diet for a month, but started eating soups before going back to a regular diet. When i saw no ill effects from the two day fasting i then fasted for a week, eating nothing at all, just drinking water.

On the third day I was releasing toxins with some vomiting, but there was never any blood. I felt better than ever after that, I was also able to continue exercise by doing push ups, sit ups, pull ups, and so for, and i could exercise better after the third day. I was able to work even during that week of fasting. After the week i started eating some soup, and other easy meals like mashed potatoes, but not in excess for about two days, then when back to a normal healthy diet.

I never had any problems with my stomach, or anything else. Fasting is hard to do, and you will get cravings for food like you'll never believe. Drinking lots of water is a good idea if you are going to fast, because it helps counter the acids in your stomach.

Not everyone should do a week fasting, two or three days may be better for many people, but if you are going to do it make sure you are not alone for long periods of time, just in case anything happens.

A month ago or so i did a two day fast, only drinking lots of water, I always feel much better after the fastings, more alert, and with more energy, but to me it seems that to really get rid of most toxins, the fasting has to be at least 3-4 days, drinking only water.

There are other ways to detox, but fasting has worked well for me.

[edit on 17-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

This is a wonderful thread. I admit only getting 1/2 of the way through before this post. I just had to post my personal experience quickly. I have undergone many issues into my somewhat later adult years that had me thinking a bit. For certain, too much unhealthy eating, drinking, and smoking has been taking affect in my health. For me, in a small moment of clarity said "change your diet". So that is where I started. The first try, 6 weeks ago lasted exactly 36 hours. I felt better but was way to restrictive on myself. This last pass has lasted 1 week. I have been easier on myself, allowing a little bit of pasta and potatoes (just not a lot). This has worked great! I hope to continue the work until, I can move further. Thanks again!

some healers use water as the substance of healing:
en.wikipedia.org...

interesting.

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Why in the world would you want to work out while fasting? Strength workouts at that?

-Dev

That's great! You did a very good thing. You caught it at a fairly early age and made important corrections. You make a very good point about attitude and belief. The mind is certainly a creature of habit and often ridiculous habit that is harmful and meaningless. I'm in a similar pursuit at an older age. A few things that I know work well.

1. Ionic Foot Spa -- A decent quality one is very helpful at flushing toxins of all kinds. It's very simple and paying for sessions is a good way to see the results first. A typical session is around $25.

2. Avoid eating out - restaurant food is just not healthy -- rarely so. It's not just the food. It's the attitudes of the people, their condition that effects the food. The evil eye is a real force. We see because light coming out of the eyes meats the light coming in. The nature and attitude of the people preparing the food, cooking the food, serving the food as well as other people seeing the food can all impact that its energy becomes.

3. Colonic Irrigation - is very effective at flush toxins and valuable in conjunction with the use of the Ionic Foot Spa.

4. Alkalize with greens - broccoli, alfalfa, clorella, spirulina, kelp

5. Palm Oil as a mouth wash

6. Saccharomyces, Boulardii, MOS -- good for helping the intestines discard harmful microbes.

7. Raw fruits - hopefully from farmers markets near tree ripe.

8. Moderate exercise

9. Positive and loving attitude

10. Avoid TV, meat, alcohol, soft drinks -- TV especially is full of mania -- almost all TV is panic driven.

This thread is very good. I will be referring back to it as I will probably go to a vegetarian diet with a focus on detoxing types of foods (fruits, vegetables,Rice, beans) sometime soon. Very nice, it is rare for a thread to really have that sort of "feel," Good job!

I have experimented a bit and plan to ease into it more next time. Everytime I get started though, it seems like 3 days later somebody invites me over for steaks and beers, lol. And then that bumps me off of it. I don't know. Actually social gatherings of practically any sort will bump me off of any sort of disciplined (taking care of yourself) approach to diet, quitting drinking/smoking, meditation, etc. And it's not really the discipline that bothers me, it's losing the whole mindset just by being in these situations... the energy drain, the masked negativity and obvious drama, and all the rampant egos.

And it is an extremely good and simple point made in the OP. Organic foods cost more each but overall on an organic diet you eat much less. So while it costs more per item you eat less overall and you don't spend any extra money for this. It is very encouraging, one of the reasons I have never looked into earlier is I always thought it would be too expensive, and it was an unnecessary luxury. But now I'm looking into it more. I have always wanted to try vegetarian, yes, but organic didn't seem like the thing for me until recently.

The first time I detoxed my body with sauna, my vision cleared. That was the first month session. I witnessed some people sweat out black ooze. One person I swear to God, sweat out bullet fragments. He was in his second month.

I would like to go into more detail about why I was there, where, and the particular methods used, but I don't want to do it on an open forum. u2u me if you would like more details.

Star and flag. Congratulations. It feels great doesn't it?

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

Why in the world would you want to work out while fasting? Strength workouts at that?

-Dev

>> Sure, the common advice is to avoid anything strenuous.

For myself, when I fasted I got so much energy, I needed to work out. I didn't have any problems with recovery at all.

I like science, but the Medical practice is a bit like Psychiatry -- they can only prove very limited things in a controlled study. The human body is so very complicated that you can have one study showing Vitamin C is the best thing ever, and another showing it can be harmful.

So who knows about fasting?

We do know that many cultures on the planet fast regularly. We do know that humans throughout history have fasted or gone without food -- just the nature of limited resources.

Humans are well adapted to going without. That doesn't PROVE it's good for us. But it would also lend credence to the platitudes from Doctors about fasting. I think the stat is that doctors have, on average, life spans of around 7 years shorter than the average. They know a lot more than most about illness, but have a pretty poor track record on making people healthy.

These cholesterol lowering drugs, and a whole host of symptom suppressing drugs, are so very inferior to changing lifestyle and diet. But we get billions of dollars in placebos, because everyone wants a magic bullet and everyone selling us snake oil wants to make a buck.

I'm not going to dismiss modern medicine. But I'm also wide-eyed about all the really deadly drugs being passed right now by the FDA because they are merely going to be profitable. The industry is much more corrupt than it used to be.

It's important for people to learn to listen to their bodies and take control of their lives.

great share mate, I like your honesty..

actually a number of scientific studies show that when animals are starved with no food for 72 hrs or more the DNA / RNA & Telomerays increase, skin, hair etc all become rejuvinated.. all simply by not getting any food..

I now do a 5 day water fast with lemon, red pepper, licorice water only ever two weeks, and then a 10 day fast every 6 weeks, slowly building up to 40 days water only.. beenn 15 so far.. once you get into day 4 -5 its cool, more energy, more clarity, less sleep etc.. but its days 2-3 which are hardest..

keep the great work1

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I agree with just about everything you said...

In order to really get my diet so right I could regulate hormones I think i would need to regularly work with an MD to monitor myself and, I don't much wish that to be a major part of my budget right at this time...

but I do agree