Detoxification, Amazing Results

reply to post by badBERTHA

Berth -
bikes usually sit around don't they. You could get a good kick-ass e-bike like the optima and you will enjoy the exercise a lot. forget anything that's boring its just an ideal. like why sit in a room on an exercise bike when you can be outside on a bike...enjoying yourself!!!!

try this: don't mess with your diet too much if you dont feel like it. if you like the potatoes and pasta and red meat etc just have a tasty salad or plenty of fresh green veg to balance it out a bit. and chew slower. if you like coffee, just use maybe half the coffee and a coffee alternative like cafix along with it. If you get stressed, buy yourself a nice massage chair. It's all about balance is all and there's always things you can do to get a better balance without going to extremes. And from there, you go to the next level of balance, whatever that might mean for you. ie maybe one bottle of super high qualtiy wine rather than two bottles of regular quality wine. then you get out of the "willpower" trap or feeling you got to be some kind of vegan bunny rabit or whatever.

If there was one or 2 things to try it might be this: cut out or majorly reduce certain things: #1. sugar. by that I mean all forms of sugar "good" or "bad". glucose, fructose, honey, molasses, agave, cane syrup, everything hidden in any food that has sugar, cut it. limit fruit. see what happens after couple weeks. this is hardest as they put sugar in frikkin everything these days but results can be astounding. use only stevia or xylitol in moderation, not aspartame or any of that cola sweetener crap. if you feel like a deep-fried mars bar, have a hunk of raw cheese with some toast with some unrefined hemp oil on it. ice cream? wip up some lowfat greek yogurt with unsweetened cocoa powder and stevia, add some flax oil to it, maybe half a banana, get my drift? you're not going without you're just using an alternative, just make sure its tasty. #2. switch out your oils. Not so hard as you can eat just as much oil as before if not more, just its the right kind for the body. ie cut out canola oil, hydrogenated oil, any processed oil, margarine, salad dressing, mayo, fried stuff. its all crap. substitute in its place good yellow butter, unrefined hemp oil, coconut oil, olive oil, flax oil. use coconut for cooking. the others just pour em on whatever you're eating!
I went from 200 pounds to 178 doing this in a couple months didn't seem like I was even trying to loose the weight, the body just sorted itself out naturally, when I get a craving I just eat something that isn't suicidal.

reply to post by hiii_98


Naw your reading it wrong, it's a permanent change... I was actually sucked in to the bad behavior because the person i was in a relationship with, who I didn't want to loose had always had some basic problems, I didn't want to split, so after a long time fighting about it I just caved in... BIG MISTAKE

My whole life i've been one person, pretty dedicated if I did party it was psychedelia not any kind of narcotic, always health conscious always took care of myself... wrong relationship, wrong people involved in my life for a couple of years

as far as gains... you have to be aware allot of that was because I had a long history of working out prior, I re gained a nice chunk of that from a pretty severe weight loss, I didn't gain it in the first place... so your questioning is fair, but there is a reason I could do it

I was pretty emaciated after just a couple of short years of doing wrong, 30 lbs lighter than I am atm... allot dd come back quickly though

the hardest and longest stretch was just... being able to pump iron again... period, i was for quite a few months reduced to the pool honestly and then to machines...

I am actually larger than before... but NOT big at all, never was big, but I have a much slower metabolism now and the gains seem to come allot easier


The progression was...

healthy - anorexic - skinny/fat - nice physique...

and my diet is not vegan... I eat Turkey, fish... once a day, sometimes no but I eat meat, eggs sometimes...

Just not a whole lot

and i'll still pump an inch or two quickly... because I know what i'm doing, working various muscles, being good about working smaller muscle groups and things of that nature... there's allot you can do with a very varied routine and working different muscle groups...

Most guys don't hit a gym and already know to work their pecs from 3 or 4 different angles and do flys too... they just bench...

I'm sure you know what I mean...

But lol we are talking about going from 12.5 to 14.5 not 16-18 BIG difference so I just want to be clear, I was a mess...

i'm guessing I can pull another inch over a few month and i'll plateau... which is fine... like I said, I don't want to be a body builder... just healthy and look good...

I don't know how far i'd want to stretch my skin at my age either

and health wise and athletically, i'm more into slow twitch than fast twitch muscular growth anyway, i'm all about high reps... and breathing and duration, like the outdoors, like martial arts... size isn't very important to me...

I just rebounded nicely bro, got BACK to where I belonged pretty fast...

I know I likely wont maintain that kind of growth nor am I after that

reply to post by miss_sky


You can get the Bison at any supermarket, it is more expensive... but I know my heart needs to be taken care of it was over taxed for a time and... i'd rather one burger of that than two of cow...

I don't know what anyone would think of this...

But I do believe allot of Native traditions work and believe a bit in Animism... I think to eat a dull senseless animal makes you dull and senseless, I want free range anytime I can get it...

I will eat cow but not much, hardly ever... a good set of ribs or a corned beef lures me in from time to time...

But I can't remember the last time I had red meat less than 3-4 days apart from helpings and they are smaller when I do

reply to post by spacebot


Haha lol

I actually will have a coke once in a blue moon...

aside from Pork... i haven't refused anything

what I have done is severely limit things and learn to do without, live by rules and avoid cravings...

Coke if I have a bit of indigestion...although it's been awhile, is okay, it can cut through my clogged tubes pretty darn well (talking about my drain let alone my stomach)

But I hardly eat any refined sugar at all so... I avoid it

Probably had two cans of soda since the new year

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


I like your thoughts

allot of what I would eventually like to do...

revolves around working over the internet for many of the reasons you mention, I don't see any other way...

and frankly it's what allows all this

The industrial era is over my friend, look outside, there are no jobs any more and it's going to get worse...

even if there were, i can still access Billions of people one way potentially and... my community the other, at least as a small business goes...

The corporate lifestyle hardly allows for any of this, the worst factor is THE BOSS, wholly unnatural to have... A BOSS

People say ...how come we don't revolt from Kindergarten on... you have had a boss, as adults most of us still do...

we are conditioned to follow the pack, take orders...

it took 10 years to LEARN how to trust MY OWN Judgement

I have to admit that... I always knew 95% of what I was taught was total Bull...

But it still took a long time to learn it...

I mention substance issues and an ex...

MY fault in the end or co dependence to say the least...

If I publish any book on my experiences...

It will be about HOW to survive working on the net...

The NEVER bring junk into your home thing is a big part of that... all we ever really did wrong was make allot of money in our pajamas

But knowing how to self discipline, resist temptation... No one ever taught me that, I was... unable to for a long time...

That's why most people really don't just quit their jobs and do this...

Getting up in the AM when no one will scold you, not partying all night... it's hard to resist

took years to learn how to make money this year and 3 hrs once I did to learn how to LOOSE it fast

someone before said obsessive...

I said no... mandatory, I have to regulate myself or I have to be a cog, there is no in between... it took time, it took allot of time... I screwed up at first.

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

I'm glad to be able to read someone's experience with fasting because I've been thinking about trying it myself.
Your experiences follow closely to what I've read in regards to what to expect and how the fast needs to be at least 3,4 days for a more thorough cleansing and purging of toxins.


In 'The Tao of Health, Sex, and Longevity' by Daniel Reid (an amazing book which talks about all of these topics from a Taoist perspective) it says that it is very beneficial to have a 7 day fast once a year, occasional shorter fasts, and a one day fast every week.
I haven't tried fasting yet but it makes sense that it's good for the body to halt the digestion process and let the enzymes travel through the bloodstream and to intestines to attack waste matter.

Another thing the book talks about that's mentioned in this thread is masturbation/sex. What's important is the ejaculation frequency. Much detail is given on why (similar to giving blood too often) excessive ejaculation is harmful due to loss of jing(the essence of life) and also the energy required to replenish it. Certain ancient taoists even spoke of how different seasons require different approaches to frequency of ejaculation; for example, very seldom in winter due to energy needed to maintain body heat, stay warm but more often is allowable in spring.

I have just started to learn about Taoist approaches to health, detoxification, etc. and I'm actually kind of excited to put them into practice because I'm pretty confident that positive results will occur. Eventually, if this leads me to be more energized I'd like to integrate and channel that energy into meditative practices like the micro-cosmic orbit, kundalini yoga, etc.

[edit on 18-6-2009 by Jedimind]

reply to post by bakedbean


Hi bakedbean - thanks for your reply some very good points there and I like your style.

My bike is an outsydoorsy type it's just that it spends a lot of it's time in doors, part workloads, lazyiness and crappy Scottish weather. All poor excuses of course.

The diet side of things I'm getting my wife to buy into as she also has usually fed 2 kids before I get home and I have to heat up what's left.. so it will be a bit of a team effort.

I'll report any progress in this thread as I go

Thanks again

berth

This is a big thread as part of a big site, so sorry if Iam duplicating anything.

Follow this friends and you will lose so much weight your head will spin.


Walk as much as possible just bloody walk, no push ups no weights no gyms just walk.

Buy brown rice from the supermarket, buy canned tuna , buy veges, buy soy sauce, buy garlic,buy cayenne pepper buy potatoes buy eggs, buy plastic or glass bottles to chill water in the fridge.

Boil rice firm.

Put veges tuna in a wok or pan add soy sauce garlic chilli experience will sort it out.

Add drained rice a bit more soy but not too much if your teeth are bad.

Add the fried egg you cooked earlier and put aside.

Let it all fry in utensil add your microwaved or oven baked potato on the plate serve the absolutely mouth watering rice.

You can make three days worth in about thirty minutes.

Eat this three or ten times a day (who cares) just walk.

Within eight months you will be worrying how you can afford new smaller clothes... no soft drink no sugar.

The beauty is your taste buds never get bored.

Add ginger, hot hot chiili, makes ya drink more water.

Eight months give it a go ...its a certainty.

Oh you can have fish fingers with your rice or sausages occasionally, the rice combined with chilli garlic soy stimulates your metabolism so much .

reply to post by Jedimind


My beliefs on the subject originate from Eastern philosophies, kudos... I am glad that people are affirming the truth of this. It seems some of us are very, very, very, very reluctant to give up this particular habit.

There is also a slew of scientific evidence to support it at this time as well, I didn't want this thread to devolve into a discussion of the pros and cons of any one aspect, maybe another thread another day.

But thank those of you who are willing to accept that I am not nuts on this particular aspect of what I am doing.

reply to post by Dr Conspire


You mention walking...


When people asked what I did to get started while such a mess lol, I responded

Breath and Sweat

But thank you, because you have pointed out another big thing that I did while unable to do much more...

Walk

so let me change my earlier response

Breath, Sweat, Walk

I must have walked 7-10 miles every other night for 3-4 when starting my recovery

My buddy lost over 100 lbs while going on those walks with me... (at least started too) full amount took a year

I think at the core of your self-treatment is mindset. It is fundamental to keeping yourself healthy. I honestly think treating you body does less for you're overall health than first treating your mind.

Here's my experience with my health problems:

Throughout my (admittedly short) adult life, I have never done anything in moderation. I have been what many would consider a severe alcoholic, I overate, and I did everything wrong to myself and those around me. Throughout this entire ordeal I had a loving woman in my life (and still do), but we've worked on a long-term relationship for four years running. I was always alone, so I did what I could to quell my boredom.

I agree with you on the addiction thing. I have felt what its like to look at a bottle and feel neverending voices telling me to knock it back, but the times I have said no, I always felt better for it. Never had any time where I regretted taking a few nights off, so maybe I wasn't addicted in the first place.

Anyway, I realized a few things over the years. When my girl is around, I don't drink, I don't overeat, and I take care of myself. This isn't necessarily entirely because of her, but just because I am happier. A better outlook can be the cure. I was living healthier without realizing it.

I tried vegeterianism for a month or so and I never really went back. Yeah, I'll eat fish or chicken once a week or so, but other than that I'm almost a vegan. That wasn't difficult at all. I don't eat junk anymore.

So to everyone who keeps lamenting about how "hard" this transition is, I am here to tell you that you are using excuses. Not to offend, because I do too, but being able to discipline yourself into simple, healthy habits should not be difficult for anyone. I cut back my drinking a lot, but to be honest with myself, I should probably quit altogether. Its not cause its hard, its because I am choosing not to (I'm only 24, haha, so I'm giving in a bit here). I just started working out every day again. Again, while I'm getting back in shape a grueling run can be a little annoying, but its not "hard" in the long run.

Get off your butts people. I saw that in the last 4 years of my life, I had become a waste of a human body, so I decided to change my existence. It's that simple. Choose not to give in to something as small and weak as your useless desires.

Make yourself happy first, surround yourself with good company, and all this becomes very easy.

This is a fantastic thread. Get your heads right and your body will follow in no time.

Also, I've always really wanted to start a thread that had ongoing life experiences and continually gave support to those trying to get healthy. Maybe this one can be it? It'll be fun.

I forgot to add the most important part in a mind recovery.. Meditation of any kind will help. Meditation is beautiful in all forms and can really turn you around. Its helping cure my anxiety disorder (never took a pill for it, probably should have at one point) and it helps me get more restful sleep.

reply to post by SantaClaus


That's the crazy part about it... it's NOT HARD, it is entirely a psychological mindset

For me... I had to stare at death, literally before I made the decision... I guess to Love Myself... care for myself, but it truely is in all in our heads...

I keep, all day going to the mirror and looking for those Gray hairs

All the rest of it, you Can't see... being sick and getting better especially after diagnosis from some harrowing diseases, somehow that's not as convincing to me of what your saying

of what i'm saying as...

all my gray hair having gone away... it's just visible...

I was just on Science daily

and saw this article tonight gray hair/stress

and what these researchers are saying is that stem cells, permanently damaged stem cells via stress are involved

which means when I eliminated the stress... I could repair... stem cells with DNA damage...

and this I can see and I know it is real and I believe these things...

but it still leaves me dumbfounded at what we can really actually do...

reply to post by Gerald Ford


Hi Gerald Ford

Bookmark this thread

When you come down... one day, you might need to read it.

Pumpkin, linseed and sunflower seeds will clear up complextion, Lemon and Cucumber applied directly daily also helps. I'm on a crash diet at the mo and mixing it with heavy weight training. Never felt better

reply to post by mopusvindictus


S+F!

Firstly I'd like to say well done with turning your life around! It's great that so many people have come together in this thread to share their personal experiences & knowledge with each other, its been said before; this is what makes ATS a brilliant place.

Many aspects of your story I can relate to personally and you've given me the inspiration to sort my life out.

Alot of the points you have made I also believe in and its evident that so do others on here. I fully agree that one of the most damaging things to the human body is stress.

My mother is currently going through an incredibly stressful period right now (extreme relationship problems) and people would be amazed at some of the medical ailments she has had that are stress related.

I remember when I was going through a pretty tough period in my life and I also had stress related issues i.e. tingling sensations, burning sensations, insomnia etc

When the issue had been resolved I was back to normal.

I've also had slight swelling (or a swelling feeling) and pain from my liver area which gave me cause for concern as I've been drinking pretty heavily for the past 2 years.

One product I can recommend for the liver is called Liv 52, you can buy it very cheapily on ebay. It help's to detox the liver, protect it against toxins and also increase's appetite.

If anyone can suggest any other methods to help cleanse/detox the liver then I gladly listen. I'm planning on buying some Milk Thistle soon and give that ago.

I can also relate to the health & diet side of your story too. Around 6/7 years ago I was very, very healthy indeed. I use to weight train 3 times a week, cardio 4 times a week (either running or cycling) and also used to box 3 times a week.

My diet was very clean with me eating around 5/6 smaller meals everyday composed of foods like chicken, tuna, rice, pasta, veg, fruit, potatoes etc

I'm aiming to get back into sort sort of shape again and this thread has motivated me to take action now.

I do honestly believe the body can heal itself amazing well and it will do so even better if we treat it right.

Giving something back to this thread, here's a little information for the poster or anyone who weight trains everyday;

Don't do it! The body needs time to repair itself and by working out with weights everyday your not letting it.

When you lift weights you actually tear your muscles slightly, the day or two after that workout is when the body gets to work repairing those tears and making them stronger/larger - this is how you get bigger basically.

Speaking from personal experience, you shouldn't do be anymore than 4 sessions of resistance training in a week.

Split up your workout, as an example:

Mon - Chest/Triceps Wed - Back/Biceps Fri - Shoulders/Legs

Read up on the net about weight training regimes and how to split them.

One last thing, if your working out everyday with weights and your not sore then your DEFINATELY not lifting heavy enough weight.

To the OP:

Thanks again for your thread!

Iam ashamed to say but I think that demon booze has got a hold of me.

I can go like a clock four days without a drop then the most black dog creeps inside and my body wants to die.

I would swear I have the worlds worst flu but then after two drinks Iam fine again.

Can anyone tell me how to break this cycle?

We all have to work I only drink on my days off but if i dont drink beyond four days I feel like death and a volcano.

Am I an alcoholic ?

I drank all my life socially and never have been addicted.

I gave up cigarettes cold turkey.
But this feeling after four days is consuming me.

Anyone suggest a remedy?

I haven't been sick one day since my teens--except for a VD and
a mild case of a very scary malady called Bell's Palsy (half the muscles
of your face decide to take the week off) (this was probably
from a blow to the back of the neck years earlier).

Anyway, no docs, no antibiotics, no prescriptions.

I attribute this to water. I drink about a gallon a day
and I water down everything else I drink (like Cokes
and such) except tomato juice and Jack Daniels.
This is a matter of taste for me, not a health decision.

Other things

I drink about three cups of regular coffee a day

I take about 2 or 3 vitamins a week

I eat about a pound of cheddar a week.

I drink about 3 or 4 ounces of JDaniels a day

I smoke about a pack and a half a day....AND I AM NOT
QUITTING, TRYING TO QUIT, or contemplating quitting.

I do not exercise, but have an active job.

I'm 47

5' 11'' 180 pounds

I sometimes forget to eat. Sometimes I will eat because
I know I should, not because of hunger.

I NEVER turn down nachos and I eat LOTS of jalapenos....
I also eat LOTS of tomatoes and hot sauces, Italian sauces,
lol my diet is mainly hot sauce, corn, bread, and cheese.

I get a physical every two years
because of my class a drivers license;
BP normal
bpm 60
eyes...shot for close up, but distance good

I can easily hold my breath for 1 minute, but
probably couldn't run 1/8th of a mile without
being winded.

Anyway, those are my habits but I think my
health is due to water and psychosematics.
I believe I do not get sick. I say it all the time.
And if i do get a sniffle or such I attack it immediately
with lots a water, a vitamin, and a few big servings of
healthy vegetables.

Now I am trying to think of the reason why I shared all that info.

Originally posted by Dr Conspire
Iam ashamed to say but I think that demon booze has got a hold of me.

I can go like a clock four days without a drop then the most black dog creeps inside and my body wants to die.

I would swear I have the worlds worst flu but then after two drinks Iam fine again.

Can anyone tell me how to break this cycle?

We all have to work I only drink on my days off but if i dont drink beyond four days I feel like death and a volcano.

Am I an alcoholic ?

I drank all my life socially and never have been addicted.

I gave up cigarettes cold turkey.
But this feeling after four days is consuming me.

Anyone suggest a remedy?

It's strange that you only start feeling bad after four days, it's usually the opposite way around i.e. for the first 4/5 days you feel terrible and then slowly you start feeling a little bit better.

When I've done a week or so without having a drink I've definately felt and looked better. I think the only way to do it really is to break that cycle and tough through it.

Or maybe after four days have a drink but only have one or two if thats possible for you. I know I can't do that but I've never been able too, I've got a pretty addictive personality.

The only other suggestion if that doesnt work is to see the doctor.