Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

Originally posted by JohnySeagull
This is exactly what is wrong with this site now. Anyone who dares question or critisize someone like Zagari who has taken control of a thread is labelled negative or as you put it the type of person who sits watching sports and yelling at the tv.
I questioned these doom mongering predictions over two months ago. Zagari gave his reasons/excuses and I accepted. I shut my mouth for 2 months and monitored what he was posting. Nothing has changed. He is still trying his best to fit square blocks into round holes.

Why should people sit back and stay silent when they know this is not the truth. He is actaully damaging the legimitacy of timewave zero.

Hell maybe he has proven its a crock. Is that it! crap.

[edit on 12-7-2010 by JohnySeagull]

If he is doing that bad of a job then please by all means point us in the right direction. If you have the correct answers then its show and tell time. I look at it this way if you are not helping you are hurting, and well you are not exactly adding any value to the research so......

Originally posted by polarwarrior
reply to post by memarf1

 

I think he's right to explore shifting it. The myan calander ends in october 2011. Many other sources point to 2011 as being the real zero point. 2012 could be just the pop culture term that would catch many off guard, to the delight of tptb.

Its worth a look.

So Not sure if i missed a thread expanding on this issue or how to phrase this correctly, but how would this shift in dating change things for the projections and web bot research as it relates to the zero point or "point of reference"?

Originally posted by Wobbly Anomaly
Echoes, cool !

I cant help but see the timewave in a similar way as i do sound. I make a lot of music on synths and am aware that frequencies from different instruments interact to create 'new' sounds that, whilst not the original 'pure' sounds, indicate the presence of them. Frequencies, when they interact, create new qualities.

When you put delay onto sounds in one part of a tune (basically an echo) it repeats later on in the song but is now surrounded by different instruments/tempos etc. The flow of the song continues but with a slightly different version of previous themes and these previous themes may not be as obvious as they were.

I hope that made sense.

very interesting post WA... never heard anyone explain things like that since I'm also a producer and have a similar experience and understanding of what you're talking about... i think there's more to what you're talking about that may have implications and more significance in the future on this subject having to do with sound frequencies and harmonics which i discovered and began to learn and understand or research music frequencies and the advanced music software thats been coming out that can manipulate harmonics etc like ableton, logic and reason and plug ins such as UNISON etc. Anyways, most probably won't understand what i'm getting at, but what i've wanted to research more, is certain frequencies of sound waves as MEDICINE of the future since i've discovered a deeper reason WHY it can be applied to medicine i'm not sure ANYONE realizes... A DNA HELIX is embedded WITHIN sound...do you know what i'm talking about??? have you actually SEEN this? i have and it was quite a surprise... which may explain why certain frequencies of sound can DESTROY CANCER cells... meaning if the right frequency of sound can be found or manipulated, it can destroy or HEAL and reorganize a mutated cell of cancer which is in fact mutated DNA i believe. Or maybe a better way to explain this is a THEORY i've pondered after using the plug-in UNISON which actually can combine 2 tracks or more (if utilized or "TUNED" correctly) so that they essentially become ONE...or in other words, it goes further than just mixing them together... this program can actually FUSE sounds or the track PERFECTLY so that they sound like ONE track rather than 2 tracks being played over each other... so in essence whats happening is that this program called Unison can HEAL FLAWS between 2 tracks if the right frequency is found. Same principle could be applied to an application for medicine such as cancer if the right frequency of sound is directed at a mutated cell!

This field of sound is in its infancy and only being experimented with right now so i'm Not sure how or if this can be applied it any way as it relates to this thread and topic, but you seemed to have hit on something that struck a cord and may have more significance or be more understood in the future.

Sorry for the slight drag off topic... just seems like there could be something more to what you've touched on that could be applied or have something to do with both medicine and the timewave.

Originally posted by memarf1
reply to post by Zagari

 

4 days. I am telling you July 11 is THE DAY, not a range of days, it is THE DAY! I don't know what will happen and we will have to see if it is something taht will happen or just a decision that will be made, but July 11 is THE DAY. August 11 is the Novelty point, so whatever happens this next week or so will finish by August 11.

These are interesting times we live in.

So has anything of significance occurred that might fit this time frame?

Here's a candidate major headline signifying the END of a HUGE event affecting the planet IMO:


"Beginning of the End? BP Installs Sealing Cap on Gulf Well"

www.foxnews.com...

hmmmm

[edit on 13-7-2010 by Orion7911]

Originally posted by Zagari
I have another claim to make for July 8- 11 2010 precisely.
TAKE YOUR MONEY NOW. You will seriously need it when economy in a global way meltdowns like its the end of the world.

Remember 1929?

If this happens and World War 3 starts September 8 2010 I will believe in October 28 2011 end date.

After hearing the web bots recent updates regarding November and that bizarre new 911 warning not to mention the war drums beating around Iran, I've been considering taking this more seriously than other warnings i've seen over the years due to the fact this alleged "event" is supposed to rise to a level surpassing 9/11... is that a fair assessment of the update? Or am I totally off base?

Originally posted by memarf1
reply to post by worriedabout2012

 

My theory for July 11 only had 3 of the graphs in agreement. I think its most likely a decision about the Oil Spill

As for screwing this timewave 0 stuff, yeah, it takes hope away if we already know the future. However, the future is not determined and if we know it then we have the opportunity to change it. Don't give up on July 11 either, it is quite possible that some decision we don't know about occurs that date. If you want to give up at least wait until August 11. lol. Thats the novelty date.

So what i would call big news just came down around the 11/12th regarding the END of the leak No?

Oh, and I would disagree that the future is not determined... I believe it IS...which is a concept I know most will disagree and something uncomfortable for the ego to accept or fathom.

Originally posted by memarf1
reply to post by Orion7911

 

It could be war with Iran, but that wouldn't coincide with the Web Bot predictions from last month for the upcoming months. If you read my previous post July 11 is a peak and a sharp downturn. The lowest valley is August 11, so whatever happens will be done on August 11 with a Novelty point on that date. Our way of thinking about the "Event" will change on August 11.

My prediction is some sort of mass evacuation of the gulf coast region announced or beginning July 11 and possibly a return on August 11. That fits with Web-Bot predictions as well.

The date does coincide with several military/war type events in history so Iran isn't far fetched, but I think it has a smaller probability. Only time will tell.

Edit: I don't think this one requires that 25-29 day shift. I think the model works just fine the way it is. If you read my previous post you will see that 3 of the 5 graphs agreed on these dates. I don't see the logic in shifting the graph. It matches historically, stop poking the Lion! lol

[edit on 29-6-2010 by memarf1]

So even with all the war drums beating right now over IRAN, you still think it has a smaller probability?

I'd like to optimistic, but i have a bad feeling about whats going on right now over there... the reports of a military build up are peaking and the next 3-4 months seem to be critical and imo NOVEMBER does eerily fit a time-frame for an Israeli strike which would set in motion catastrophic effects/events globally if not an official clear beginning of WW3.

YIKES...

anyone know any good survival threads around ats?

OK, tracer7 and company , I'm sorry for opening my mouth .

Looks like we all going for World WAR III kicking off early september then.
Cause thats what timewave zero tells us.


Best of bloody luck to yis all.

It's the blind leading the blind in here.

Originally posted by tracer7

Originally posted by JohnySeagull

If he is doing that bad of a job then please by all means point us in the right direction. If you have the correct answers then its show and tell time. I look at it this way if you are not helping you are hurting, and well you are not exactly adding any value to the research so......

sorry, in repsonse to your point specifically , just wanted to say,

he is using it to predict disasters ? nothing to do with novelty or anything silly like that , just to predict disasters? huh ? seriously?

Count me as a disbeliever...I had time to think and I'm done with this theory. Enough.
This was the only theory that made me believe in 2012 at all. I was never a believer before.
Now I am not a believer again.

I appreciated this thread but now at least for me its time to come back to reality and realize nothing's going to happen in 2011/2012.

reply to post by Zagari


Hi Zagari,

You have a let down a lot of people who believed a lot of what you posted. But of course all those people can blame anyone who asked a question of your predictions.

Personally I think it is poor behaviour that one day you tell people when world war III will happen and then you come along some time later and decide you have changed your mind. You are behaving like a hoaxer.

With your blunt denial of everything you have posted regarding timewave theory you are deflecting all criticism away from yourself and unto anyone who dared question your calculations.

I think you should start acting more responsible.

reply to post by Zagari



Zagary, i trully appreciate your effort in sharing your ideas about the timewave, but i think you lost it when you started to talk too much -no disrespect-, i mean...you're just claiming to know too much!, and if you have listened to Mckenna enough you'll know by now that one of the first premisses of this great thinker and explorer is that NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON, not the christians or the jews or the Illuminati or...you know? anyone.

NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON, not even himself did! Mckenna used to talk about how he didn't liked closure, for him, all this theories and ideas about how the world came to be and how it all unfolds into the mistery, had an open end...so we better keep it like that from now on.

and now you say you don't believe in timewave theory...well, i have to say that this has never been a matter of believing or not. Nobody have to believe anything here, this is not a church for god's sake!...

i can almost here Mckenna saying to us DON'T BELIEVE ME! GO EAT A MUSHROOM! TAKE AYAHUASCA!, and maybe that's what we all should do -at least i am- go out there and have experiences outside of our ordinary day to day, out of the consensus reality, and then go back here and see how it all matches with the world and our ideas and feelings.

we all focused on the doom dates, making this complex theory a mere calendar for disasters around the world, and that was a mistake. I think we all are conscious and humble enough to, from now on, take another direction on the way we see and interpret the wave.

this time let's make it an open end, shall we?...

This society is not " ready " to deal with whatever Timewave wants to explain to us.
Yes, nobody knows nothing. For me, the original graph is not precise. Okay?
Fact is, whenever I tried to explain in a kind, enthusiastic way, to my friends, what Timewave is, as soon as they heard the year 2012, they lost all the interest and I lost many of them.
2012 is something for people who have mind problems in my country. Can you understand?
Even I believed the same thing until June 2009.
2012 for them has always been a big joke. Most of my friends, anyway, never heard of Gulf oil Spill even in June 2010. When I spoke about that , they didn't understand, they said " What? What it is about ? ".

It seems I was one of those rare people to even comprehend somethin about Timewave. My friends and some other people on the net didn't even understood what it is about.
They had no clue what I was trying to say.

I don't want to be part anymore of this thing.

Aliens, Ufo, parallel universes, technological singularity and all this stuff still belong to the realm of fantasy and myth. Nobody believes in it.
Its more worthy following Lindsay Lohan trial on you tube...

So, why should I try to be different? Yes, probably now I'm more angered with society than with something else.
But there's no place for a belief in 2012 in society, NOR in this website.
( trolls and skeptics will grow in number coming 2012 )

All those people who pushed me and acted like trolls...I had enough, I put all of them into ignore area, but what if they are right?

What if there is nothing waiting to happen in 2012?

Timewave is too much of a theory to be true, maybe its better to come back to reality.


[edit on 13-7-2010 by Zagari]

[edit on 13-7-2010 by Zagari]

Originally posted by Zagari

Aliens, Ufo, parallel universes, technological singularity and all this stuff still belong to the realm of fantasy and myth. Nobody believes in it.

All those people who pushed me and acted like trolls...I had enough, I put all of them into ignore area, but what if they are right?

Timewave is too much of a theory to be true, maybe its better to come back to reality.

[edit on 13-7-2010 by Zagari]

[edit on 13-7-2010 by Zagari]

Nobody believes in Aliens? I believe in Aliens. I seen one last night. All I had to do was look in the mirror. When you stop relying on your eyes it is quite shocking what you can see.

trolls? you only grow stronger by facing stronger opponents


you gotta learn to accept some criticisim man.

reply to post by Zagari


So after all these pages of your long lists of predictions which thoroughly cluttered this thread for a good 10-15 pages, and hearing about all of your graph shifts which you performed just to make it more convenient to find correct synchronizations with past disasters, your giving up on the Timewave just because nothing happened on July 11th? I actually feel disrespected right now that you would use this theory as your little play toy for a few months only to disregard it at the first sign of a hiccup?

For goodness sakes man, July 11th was not a novelty dip, it was a habit peak! What exactly were you expecting? I want an apology from you for cluttering all of our work for the past several months if you are truly serious about giving up on the Timewave.

Originally posted by JohnySeagull


OK, tracer7 and company , I'm sorry for opening my mouth .

Looks like we all going for World WAR III kicking off early september then.
Cause thats what timewave zero tells us.


Best of bloody luck to yis all.

It's the blind leading the blind in here.

If thats what you truly believe is going to happen, I hope you are preparing. We are all in charge of our own reality tunnels. When you go to a seminar or a class, there are not 100 people sitting in one room, there are 100 people sitting in 100 rooms. We agree from a higher consciousness perspective to share 'versions' of reality with each other. There is no difference between one person who leaves the room and goes on to create world peace and another person who leaves the same room only to find nuclear weapons tearing our civilization apart. The only thing that changes is your own perception of reality.

I have been a skeptic of Z's predictions from the start,..But
I think he did say there would be a big flood in china,..
and well ,.. there is
interesting none the less
and TWZ was his guide,..

Originally posted by Zagari

What if there is nothing waiting to happen in 2012?

Timewave is too much of a theory to be true, maybe its better to come back to reality.

Synchronicity is what you are dealing with. It is the acausal principle behind all systems of divination. It is a psychic phenomenon, and it can be influenced by many variables. Obviously it can be influenced by psychological variables but it can also be influenced by environmental variables.

So, it is imperfect. Give yourself a break. It will be ok.

www.iging.com...

[edit on 13-7-2010 by Student X]

Synchronicity like student x has mentioned.

Synchronicity has alot to do with quantum waves moving in and out of reality
It's like your being drawn "hoodwinked" into seeing being realizing from the normal for some purpose that your total unaware of.

There is also is a cycle math of 104 years I believe simular what is found in the bible saying something of 50 years of wealth prosperity growth like expansion
followed by 54 years in peak expansion, than a collaspe occurs they say it's been a very realiable model since the 1500's

Some sort of greater intelligence is injecting itself into our lives our societies as a whole. It is like the intelligence is trying to influnce change or shift balance
for some reasoning it is compelled too.

It's not often we find ourselfs at the moments of history in the making

Its my understanding that Evasius, before creating this thread explained something about how 1790s decade was similar to the events of June 2009 and he was comparing a aerial accident and a Iranian period of turmoil to some other past events like French Revolution...

That , to me, was comparing past events to current events...
Than he shifted to talk about novelty and habit.
I was also there when he explained that he reconsidered habits periods because they brought the beginnin of the change for the dips...

It was also my understanding that novelty was determined by events that brought change and habits by events that showed more precise repetitions of past events...

And wasn't Evasius comapring the 1940s and the 1820s to current periods in 2009 end at beginning of 2010???

So, why Timewave can't relate with historical events? Wasn't enough the perfect repetition of 1979 and Oil Spill???

--- Okay, I had quite a bad day , so I wrote a lot of rants recently--- I don't intend actually to throw all of the theory away--- I just need a break, this is what I realize...

--- I want now that someone explains to me why Timewave cannot relate with history and events that echoe the past...????

--- Now, I didn't ruin this thread. I was for a while one of the most involved and most enthusiastic about this thread, that it is a research in itself...
I agree that my theories of correction were supposed to be put into other threads...

I want to say that it was Evasius, it was him that made me understand that history repeats itself.
So, tell me the real deal if I didn't understand a single thing about all of this stuff...

I wished I simply wrote my theories on my books and never shared a single thing, I wish I could watch all the guys dealing with a ( probably ) wrong graph...

Of course I will never work anymore for a research of this kind, given that there is no point and its absolutely not worthy.

One can't question the value of the original graph? One can't make people think about something else, some other correlation without "ruinin it all " ???
Do you fear dates given??? What??? With who am I dealing? Kids??? The dates were only one little part of the research...
Who cares about dates...Is that the problem??? Dates???

Can't I even question why a huge event like Deepwater Oil Spill WASN'T on a particular day of the original graph? It is forbidden?

Isn't QUESTION EVERYTHING one of the mottos of this website???

Did I ruin this thread with my questioning instead of all the skeptics, sarcastic people that came here knowing nothing or all the people that sit and watch and come here only when someone gets one prediction right and to criticize those who get it wrong???



--- And for ...'s sake, did I call for followers??? I even forgot about my prediction about April 20 until someone made me notice!!!! I forgot!!!!

What a surprise, I call a right date and a mass of people comes to have " a party " for me, than I get wrong the July 3 prediction and I 'm dragged into the arena of criticism....
Please...Do me a favor...Don't mention my name anymore...Stay on your side...Do what you want...But please, don't make a huge thing of nothing....

[edit on 13-7-2010 by Zagari]